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Constant incoherent warbling in every song these days

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,202 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    As somebody whose taste in music can be somewhat eclectic, but firmly rooted in the pre-2000's, I decided to broaden my auditory horizon with the aid of Spotify. So the other day on the commute home, I put on a playlist called Top 50 Hits.

    It consisted of either droning, nasal, wannabe starlets or angry urban youths.

    As the playlist progressed, my inner Victor Meldrew came out in full force.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    VeryTerry wrote: »
    Its no more real than anything else. There's a lot of negativity in music like that. You might benefit from a few more positive vibes.

    I'm pretty happy thanks.
    It's real, written by real musicians, on real instruments, with real emotion.

    The tripe that gets pumped out by the Simon Cowells of the world is most definitely not real music.

    Give me some Steely Dan any day over that prefabricated muck.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,682 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Does it count if it's the crowd warbling? (From 0:50)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    The second you start complaining about modern music just sounding like noise, you need to start planning for your retirement because you're officially old.

    Don't agree..chart music is muck. Shouldn't be considered music. The fawning over pop artists is insane. It's music for kids up to the age of puberty. Shouldn't be allowed on mainstream radio but it's there all day everyday...thank God for internet radio.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭VeryTerry


    I'm pretty happy thanks.
    It's real, written by real musicians, on real instruments, with real emotion.

    The tripe that gets pumped out by the Simon Cowells of the world is most definitely not real music.

    Give me some Steely Dan any day over that prefabricated muck.

    Of course it's real music. It may not be to your taste and that's fine. I wouldn't expect to hear a 10 year old blasting Cowboys From Hell on their way to their swimming lesson like.

    Christy Moore does a huge amount of songs written by other people. Does that make him a less valid performer?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,746 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    VeryTerry wrote:
    Of course it's real music. It may not be to your taste and that's fine. I wouldn't expect to hear a 10 year old blasting Coyboys From Hell on their way to their swimming lesson like.


    They'd be one **** cool 10 year old in my eyes


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Barbara Tasteless Teenager


    Plus technically this is in German (I Think) but realistically very few people ever listen to the words. So incoherent vocals have always had an audience




    Ps I hate Opera, at least pop songs are on 5 minutes long or less.

    of course people listen - they're telling a story as well as showing off the skillz. good opera houses will have subtitles as well so you can follow along

    hampson is very entertaining singing the figaro
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZLAeUDLnxs

    20thC is definitely just noise though :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Spleerbun


    Given the light hearted banter in this thread and the abundance of emojis, I'm going to take advantage and ask how the heck you actually put emojis in your posts?? Prob an incredibly stupid question, the normal ones on my keypad just come out as squiggles. (I don't post much as you can tell!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,654 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    THis exactly.

    I tell my now adult kids that today's music has no 'story', and shock-horror, they agree with me.

    Happy people have no stories...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,654 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    VeryTerry wrote: »
    Of course it's real music. It may not be to your taste and that's fine. I wouldn't expect to hear a 10 year old blasting Coyboys From Hell on their way to their swimming lesson like.

    Why not, we did when we were 10?
    (maybe not the swimming lesson part, but certainly to the bog to foot turf, or to weed the beet or pick stones/strawberries /potatoes etc.)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    As somebody whose taste in music can be somewhat eclectic, but firmly rooted in the pre-2000's, I decided to broaden my auditory horizon with the aid of Spotify. So the other day on the commute home, I put on a playlist called Top 50 Hits.

    It consisted of either droning, nasal, wannabe starlets or angry urban youths.

    As the playlist progressed, my inner Victor Meldrew came out in full force.

    So many of them sound like they are holding their nose to sing, I don't get the love for the adenoidal drone

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭VeryTerry


    Why not, we did when we were 10?
    (maybe not the swimming lesson part, but certainly to the bog to foot turf, or to weed the beet or pick stones/strawberries /potatoes etc.)

    Unless you have older siblings to guide you there's no chance you would be listening to metal at 10.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "Music these days..." said every old fart ever. And in twenty years time the next batch of old farts will be saying "in my day it was better" about yer wan Grande or whoever. While tastes and genres change, at any one time going back over the last hundred years most popular music was throwaway, or second rate, or utterly bloody dire. Nostalgia prunes the very best of it and makes our memories better.

    Endless vocal warbling? Jazz had that for decades. Much of jazz was endless warbling anyway. A lot of folk music is similar. Irish reels go to endless warbling. Apparently there are changes going on, but there's only so much energy I can personally muster to listen for them. "Proper" Rock of the 70's? Had its moments, but there was an awful lot of endless warbling on guitars too, especially live. 80's spandex permed guitar heroes were worse. It all got very dull very quickly. Punk(and later Grunge) gained a lot of traction as an antidote to that guff, as it was a return to the old three minute song, get in get out, shake it all about. One of the hardest tricks to pull off well. An awful lot of punk was dross too.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    With today's generation no longer actually buying physical media in the future most of today's pop music could be lost and forgotten fairly quickly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    VeryTerry wrote: »
    Of course it's real music. It may not be to your taste and that's fine. I wouldn't expect to hear a 10 year old blasting Cowboys From Hell on their way to their swimming lesson like.

    Christy Moore does a huge amount of songs written by other people. Does that make him a less valid performer?

    Well I blasted cowboys from hell on my way to swimming lessons as a kid ....thanks for igniting a memory.

    Christy Moore is a legend.
    Whether the tunes are written by other people or not is not the point I'm trying to make.
    It's a amount of terrible crap that passes for music these days.

    Write a half catchy tune that 10year olds will like because it makes a funny noise, and use a cash cow to "perform" it
    No creativity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,654 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    VeryTerry wrote: »
    Unless you have older siblings to guide you there's no chance you would be listening to metal at 10.

    Nope. I'm the oldest of 8 kids. Everyone in my village over 8 years old either listened to acdc/Metallica/Slayer/Megadeth/Guns n roses or Madonna back in the late 80s and early 90s. It was a long time till grunge found us in 1993. The joys of tape "sharing" amongst the u12 hurling team!

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 991 ✭✭✭The Crowman


    Wibbs wrote: »
    "Music these days..." said every old fart ever. And in twenty years time the next batch of old farts will be saying "in my day it was better" about yer wan Grande or whoever. While tastes and genres change, at any one time going back over the last hundred years most popular music was throwaway, or second rate, or utterly bloody dire. Nostalgia prunes the very best of it and makes our memories better.

    Endless vocal warbling? Jazz had that for decades. Much of jazz was endless warbling anyway. A lot of folk music is similar. Irish reels go to endless warbling. Apparently there are changes going on, but there's only so much energy I can personally muster to listen for them. "Proper" Rock of the 70's? Had its moments, but there was an awful lot of endless warbling on guitars too, especially live. 80's spandex permed guitar heroes were worse. It all got very dull very quickly. Punk(and later Grunge) gained a lot of traction as an antidote to that guff, as it was a return to the old three minute song, get in get out, shake it all about. One of the hardest tricks to pull off well. An awful lot of punk was dross too.

    The warbling you get in songs today is different though, its a much more irritating variation that seems to be mainly influenced by black American gospel singing, but a bastardized poppier form of gospel.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The warbling you get in songs today is different though, its a much more irritating variation that seems to be mainly influenced by black American gospel singing, but a bastardized poppier form of gospel.
    Aye TC, but you could argue that endless 80's "metal" guitar warbling was bastardised poppier form of jazz guitar. Your Maamstein(sp) types.

    Even the best genres that come along almost inevitably go rogue and some go full retard. Rap was a breath of fresh air. At first. The near second it went mainstream it started to circle the drain.

    I suppose the current warbling in "soul" and "r&B"(and they're neither) is for a particular audience. I think of them as "Disco handbag" songs. Music for a type of young wan and her mates to dance around their handbags in the club. That audience has always been with us, all the way back to Sinatra's early days and it's a huge audience. It could come out with some bloody good music along the way. The Beatles were a "boyband" after all. At the start anyway. Plus for most of its history it was "manufactured" and songwriters were almost never the performers. These days it's just more honed and polished and targeted and bland. Risks don't usually sell so well.

    The big diff today is we've never had so much choice in music and that's a good thing.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Good point about the choice of music being more now.

    It may not seem like it on the surface, but search around and you will find a bewildering array of genres and sub-genres.

    It just takes more work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I've been listening to noise all my life, tis feckin great
    I've been listening to Merzbow since I was a toddler.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    The second you start complaining about modern music just sounding like noise, you need to start planning for your retirement because you're officially old.
    Not true though. Chart music overall has gradually been getting worse and worse, and is definitely worse than ever now. The likes of David Bowie, Prince, The Jam, Public Enemy, The Cure, Blondie, Elvis Costello, Primal Scream, Nirvana, The Smiths, New Order, Echo and The Bunnymen... these got into the top ten. U2 and Madonna did some brilliant stuff too. No way is the charts of the same calibre now, thanks to the internet and X Factor's Got no Talent type shows.

    Duran Duran, Wham!, Spandau Ballet... these were the boy bands of their time. Mostly not my cup of tea but still infinitely better than their equivalent now, and the odd excellent song.

    That was the thing - there was always gonna be rubbish in the charts; I started realising that when I was 13 (not when old) but there was always good stuff too, and always a joyous pop song that you'd get such a thrill out of hearing on the radio.

    Those days are gone now. It's wall to wall blandness. Our parents and grandparents complained about noise, not blandness. They liked blandness!

    There is still plenty of good music though, but I do miss the joy of a good pop song.

    "Nothing's changed, you're getting old" is the new "In my day, things were better" - of course things have changed. Were things the same between the 50s and 80s? Of course not thanks to societal and technical changes. And today with the internet you can ramp that up even more.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Still some good pop music songs around.
    Anybody enjoy Tame Impala's Currents from a couple of years back?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    Not true though. Chart music overall has gradually been getting worse and worse, and is definitely worse than ever now. The likes of David Bowie, Prince, The Jam, Public Enemy, The Cure, Blondie, Elvis Costello, Primal Scream, Nirvana, The Smiths, New Order, Echo and The Bunnymen... these got into the top ten. U2 and Madonna did some brilliant stuff too. No way is the charts of the same calibre now, thanks to the internet and X Factor's Got no Talent type shows.

    Duran Duran, Wham!, Spandau Ballet... these were the boy bands of their time. Mostly not my cup of tea but still infinitely better than their equivalent now, and the odd excellent song.

    That was the thing - there was always gonna be rubbish in the charts; I started realising that when I was 13 (not when old) but there was always good stuff too, and always a joyous pop song that you'd get such a thrill out of hearing on the radio.

    Those days are gone now. It's wall to wall blandness. Our parents and grandparents complained about noise, not blandness. They liked blandness!

    There is still plenty of good music though, but I do miss the joy of a good pop song.

    "Nothing's changed, you're getting old" is the new "In my day, things were better" - of course things have changed. Were things the same between the 50s and 80s? Of course not thanks to societal and technical changes. And today with the internet you can ramp that up even more.
    Jesus Christ, I stopped caring about chart music when I was 13. Judging music by what's in the charts is like judging humanity by the rich and famous.

    2018 has been a pretty good year for music. On last count I've listened to about 40 new album releases this year. 15 or so of those I thoroughly enjoy, and I enjoy them regardless of whether they're pop music or underground experimentalism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    This is what always happens in these discussions. Yeah I know there's always plenty of good music (and acknowledged it) but the point is you could once find good music in the charts/on the radio. And it was nice to be able to do that rather than always having to do a search for it. But now that's gone. The charts/daytime radio is what people are referring to when they say music has gone to sh1t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    Relying on sources such as the charts and commercial radio to be lazily spoon-fed music was never a good thing.

    One nice thing about discovering music is that when you make the effort, you get rewarded.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    With today's generation no longer actually buying physical media in the future most of today's pop music could be lost and forgotten fairly quickly.

    Huh? 100 years ago people bought sheet music. It wasn't about the performer. Now it's all over data centres that have information stored across multiple locations. If anything, we're more likely to be stuck with the crap now, for longer than "I do like to be beside the sea side ".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Not sure I said anything about relying *solely* on the charts/daytime radio. Music wasn't always free either. In my teens I'd save up for albums, listen to Dave Fanning and watch 120 Minutes on MTV but I also never missed Top of The Pops.

    Good pop is gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Using the voice as a melodic instrument without a focus on conveying words with it is a musical technique as old as time. Hell, most opera involves a whole f*ckload of long drawn out vibrato vowels for precisely this reason, yet nobody looks at that and calls it "incoherent warbling".

    People looking for an excuse to bash modern music, and nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,325 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    More a dance track this and using a vocal sample, but an example of brilliant warbling.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Music is not dying. It pre-dates our history.

    Actually, I think the future anthropologists will be very interested in our current music, as it reflects our times.

    Or whatever.

    There is an ebb and flow to these things, personally I do believe in the objective historical flows.

    Sorry, carry on.


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