'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

Roger Hassenforder · 23-11-2018 11:47PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

The working classes had a higher survival rate..???
Really? I seriously doubt that.

Ive a funny feeling I'd be wasting my time posting evidence.
So suffice to say, i'm not going to try and dispel those doubts, i'll leave you blissfully unaware.

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:51PM

Roger

Evidence is always welcome Roger

Trizo · 23-11-2018 11:54PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Roger

Evidence is always welcome Roger

Plenty of evidence out there just google.

Although the great majority of casualties in WW1 were from the working class, the social and political elite were hit disproportionately hard by WW1. Their sons provided the junior officers whose job it was to lead the way over the top and expose themselves to the greatest danger as an example to their men.
Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured.

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:59PM

Although the great majority of the casualties in WW1 were from the working classes.....

Well well..
Whod a thunk it

Lefty Bicek · 24-11-2018 12:01AM

Oh ! What a lovely dysgenic war.

Trizo · 24-11-2018 12:07AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Although the great majority of the casualties in WW1 were from the working classes.....

Well well..
Whod a thunk it

You seemed to have cropped the important part which refuted your earlier posts - “the social and political elite were hit disproportionately hard “

As an aside my own great grandfather was conscripted into the war as he was a carpenter and was luckily just behind the front lines.

mick malones mauser · 24-11-2018 12:15AM

Trizo

The most important part is the lines I qouted.
The point about your great grandfather is totally irrelevant.
Glad he was unscathed though.
Seriously, this was a war fought between several empires, ruled over by disfunctional inbred and related criminial families (who prefer the term royalty,has a more respectable ring to it) and the overwhelming majority of those butchered were working class.
Thats a fact....you can google the bejaysus out of it if you like

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 12:23AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Roger

Evidence is always welcome Roger

Youre right.
My bad

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world-war-1/458751/Death-of-our-best-and-brightest-Eton-Rifles-may-have-been-built-for-slaughter/amp

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Junior-Officers-in-World-War-One

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2173368?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Trizo · 24-11-2018 12:23AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Trizo

The most important part is the lines I qouted.
The point about your great grandfather is totally irrelevant.
Glad he was unscathed though.
Seriously, this was a war fought between several empires, ruled over by disfunctional inbred and related criminial families (who prefer the term royalty,has a more respectable ring to it) and the overwhelming majority of those butchered were working class.
Thats a fact....you can google the bejaysus out of it if you like

Look I don’t disagree with a lot of what you say the war to me was pointless however if your going to state facts you might as well get them right. 12% of ordinary soldiers were killed compared to 17% of officers those were the survival rates.

mick malones mauser · 24-11-2018 12:27AM

Trizo
Roger

Once again
The vast overwhelming majority of those Butchered were working class
What part of that simple statement of fact do you two not comprehend.??
Ok..
Sorry for the poor unfortunate officers who died
But lets not dress this pig up and put lipstick on it to pretend its something that its not.

Trizo · 24-11-2018 12:32AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Trizo
Roger

Once again
The vast overwhelming majority of those Butchered were working class
What part of that simple statement of fact do you two not comprehend.??
Ok..
Sorry for the poor unfortunate officers who died
But lets not dress this pig up and put lipstick on it to pretend its something that its not.

I think your having the comprehension issue tonight mick , no where in my posts have I stated that the majority of those killed were not ordinary/working class if fact I stated it , however you posted in disbelief earlier about the survival rates between officers and ordinary soldiers for which you have been proved incorrect.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 12:36AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Trizo
Roger

Once again
The vast overwhelming majority of those Butchered were working class
What part of that simple statement of fact do you two not comprehend.??
Ok..
Sorry for the poor unfortunate officers who died
But lets not dress this pig up and put lipstick on it to pretend its something that its not.

Yes a lot of working class lads died
A lot of middle/upper class died also

Youre with me so far?

However, if you were middle/upper class, you were more likely to die. They suffered disproportionately greater deaths.

If you were working class, you were more likely to come home.
Fact.

mattser · 24-11-2018 12:41AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Trizo
Roger

Once again
The vast overwhelming majority of those Butchered were working class
What part of that simple statement of fact do you two not comprehend.??
Ok..
Sorry for the poor unfortunate officers who died
But lets not dress this pig up and put lipstick on it to pretend its something that its not.

Got your ass kicked by Roger there, mate. Give up while you're losing.

mick malones mauser · 24-11-2018 12:42AM

Ok lads
This is obviously special needs class.

The vast overwhelming majority majority of those Butchered were working class.

Thats a fact.
Google the bejaysus out of it.
Goodnight

mick malones mauser · 24-11-2018 12:43AM

Mattser
I dont think so
But thanks for your contribution

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 12:49AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Ok lads
This is obviously special needs class.

The vast overwhelming majority majority of those Butchered were working class.

Thats a fact.
Google the bejaysus out of it.
Goodnight

This isnt a difficult concept.

A lot of working class lads fought
A lot of working class lads died.
A lot of working class lads survived.

Surely you understand this?

A lot of middle/upper class lads fought
A lot of middle/upper lads died.
A lot of middle/upper lads survived

Ok so far?

Now here is where you seem to get lost, when we talk about casualty rates, and probability

As per the previous links, if you were middle/upper class, you had a greater chance of being killed. If you were working class you had a greater chance of surviving.
The middle/upper classes suffered proportionately greater causalties, suffered more

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 12:49AM

Nitey night!

mattser · 24-11-2018 01:07AM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Mattser
I dont think so
But thanks for your contribution

You're welcome. Have a peaceful sleep, courtesy of the empire you despise. Leave your bedroom light on too, there's no danger in the sky.

Dyr · 24-11-2018 10:06AM

This reminds me of having a nosey in a church in middle england a while back, one of those churches where they hang regimental flags and such. There was a memorial plaque set up to the local battalion. It listed all the officers who died in WW1, Captain Smedley Barrows, col. Chiswick-Carruthers etc etc. an impressive list. Then a line at the end commemorating the 600 odd enlisted men who died, almost as a Post Script.

It's a meaningless statistic given the numeric disparity.

mattser · 24-11-2018 10:24AM

Bambi wrote: »

This reminds me of having a nosey in a church in middle england a while back, one of those churches where they hang regimental flags and such. There was a memorial plaque set up to the local battalion. It listed all the officers who died in WW1, Captain Smedley Barrows, col. Chiswick-Carruthers etc etc. an impressive list. Then a line at the end commemorating the 600 odd enlisted men who died, almost as a Post Script.

It's a meaningless statistic given the numeric disparity.

Were the locals complaining, or just a nosey rambling Paddy ?

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 10:29AM

Bambi wrote: »

This reminds me of having a nosey in a church in middle england a while back, one of those churches where they hang regimental flags and such. There was a memorial plaque set up to the local battalion. It listed all the officers who died in WW1, Captain Smedley Barrows, col. Chiswick-Carruthers etc etc. an impressive list. Then a line at the end commemorating the 600 odd enlisted men who died, almost as a Post Script.

It's a meaningless statistic given the numeric disparity.

Have been in a few of those churches as well. Not very easy to cover up the class issue and divide at the heart of British society when you have that evidence of it laid out in marble.

You'll have plenty of Irish here shortly to try and do it(cover it up) though, even though it has cost many many Irish lives over the centuries, not just in the 1914-18 period.

Dyr · 24-11-2018 10:31AM

mattser wrote: »

Were the locals complaining, or just a nosey rambling Paddy ?

The English don't go to church, you should know that

whisky_galore · 24-11-2018 10:42AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have been in a few of those churches as well. Not very easy to cover up the class issue and divide at the heart of British society when you have that evidence of it laid out in marble.

You'll have plenty of Irish here shortly to try and do it(cover it up) though, even though it has cost many many Irish lives over the centuries, not just in the 1914-18 period.

As if Ireland is some sort of classless workers paradise..

mattser · 24-11-2018 10:48AM

Bambi wrote: »

The English don't go to church, you should know that

Really ? What about the ones I went to service with at a small Somerset church recently. Were they exempt ? Or are you deliberately acting the fool ?

swarlb · 24-11-2018 10:54AM

This whole thread has descended into it's own 'trench warfare' with statements and ill informed 'facts' being tossed back and forth.
The fact is simple, were are living in 2018, and cannot get past pointless debates about things that happened 100, 200, 800 years ago even.
I had actually hoped that Theresa May would wake up one day, and to solve the Brexit issue (and the much more important border issue) she decided to simply 'give it back'.
Her speech ran along the lines of something like this..In an attempt to solve the contentious issues surrounding the Irish Border, and to come to a finality regarding Brexit, and indeed 'The Irish Question' I've decided to 'give back the North'
You can have it... plain and simple. Anyone that wants to leave and come live on the mainland will be re-housed and compensated, the rest can stay put.

This will solve a number of issues...
The wearing of the poppy
The border (there will be none, except in the Irish Sea between the 2 islands)
With one fell swoop all our headaches will be gone... forever.

As well as a concession to this, we will throw in Rockall as a sweetener, and over a period of time will dismantle any former items that may cause offence to the Irish, things like Kilmainham Goal, Dublin Castle, The vice Regal Lodge... as I can imagine these building would have caused great pain to any true Irish person, as they obviously invoke memories of oppression by your (previous) Imperial Masters. Gradually over time they will all be pulled down, and you will be free to rebuild your own towns and cities.
Everyone's a winner.. to quote that popular song.

Just think... we'd have no more need for 'The Ra' or even Sinn Fein, and we'd be free to live our lives as a fully independent nation.

I wonder how we'd cope ? Firstly with the tens of thousands of unemployed civil servants up north, and the cost of maintaining all those lovely flat roads up there as well.

mattser · 24-11-2018 11:00AM

swarlb wrote: »

This whole thread has descended into it's own 'trench warfare' with statements and ill informed 'facts' being tossed back and forth.
The fact is simple, were are living in 2018, and cannot get past pointless debates about things that happened 100, 200, 800 years ago even.
I had actually hoped that Theresa May would wake up one day, and to solve the Brexit issue (and the much more important border issue) she decided to simply 'give it back'.
Her speech ran along the lines of something like this..In an attempt to solve the contentious issues surrounding the Irish Border, and to come to a finality regarding Brexit, and indeed 'The Irish Question' I've decided to 'give back the North'
You can have it... plain and simple. Anyone that wants to leave and come live on the mainland will be re-housed and compensated, the rest can stay put.

This will solve a number of issues...
The wearing of the poppy
The border (there will be none, except in the Irish Sea between the 2 islands)
With one fell swoop all our headaches will be gone... forever.

As well as a concession to this, we will throw in Rockall as a sweetener, and over a period of time will dismantle any former items that may cause offence to the Irish, things like Kilmainham Goal, Dublin Castle, The vice Regal Lodge... as I can imagine these building would have caused great pain to any true Irish person, as they obviously invoke memories of oppression by your (previous) Imperial Masters. Gradually over time they will all be pulled down, and you will be free to rebuild your own towns and cities.
Everyone's a winner.. to quote that popular song.

Just think... we'd have no more need for 'The Ra' or even Sinn Fein, and we'd be free to live our lives as a fully independent nation.

I wonder how we'd cope ? Firstly with the tens of thousands of unemployed civil servants up north, and the cost of maintaining all those lovely flat roads up there as well.

So the Unionist community are forced to give up their Irishness and are horsed across the sea.
Go back to bed. You're still asleep.

Dyr · 24-11-2018 11:09AM

mattser wrote: »

Really ? What about the ones I went to service with at a small Somerset church recently. Were they exempt ? Or are you deliberately acting the fool ?

For a fella who goes around calling people Paddy, you're a sensitive wee thing ain't ya?

klaaaz · 24-11-2018 11:32AM

mattser wrote: »

So the Unionist community are forced to give up their Irishness and are horsed across the sea.

If they started to embrace their Irishness would be a good start for a change. They all labelled themselves British rather than Irish in the last census.

Lefty Bicek · 24-11-2018 11:33AM

mattser wrote: »

Really ? What about the ones I went to service with at a small Somerset church recently. Were they exempt ? Or are you deliberately acting the fool ?

How was the soup ?

It's a joke. Calm down !

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 12:22PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

As if Ireland is some sort of classless workers paradise..

What did I say?

:D

'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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