'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 09:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's all a bit of tenuous projecting tbh. Fair play if you can see that.

He looks physically like a British soldier though, of that there is nothing tenuous.

Of course he does.

BBFAN · 23-11-2018 09:12PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I'm really not.

I'm coming from a place of recognising the thing for what it is.

You can tell me it represents something universal, but as a piece of work it is actually very identifiable with one side.

What side exactly are you on about? The one that was against the Nazis?

BBFAN · 23-11-2018 09:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's all a bit of tenuous projecting tbh. Fair play if you can see that.

He looks physically like a British soldier though, of that there is nothing tenuous.

Physically he looks like a British soldier? Like how? He's tall? WTAF?

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 09:13PM

BBFAN wrote: »

What side exactly are you on about? The one that was against the Nazis?

No, dear.

The Nazi's were in the Second World War.

:rolleyes:

BBFAN · 23-11-2018 09:15PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

No, dear.

The Nazi's were in the Second World War.

:rolleyes:

So you explain the sides in the WW1 so?

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 09:16PM

BBFAN wrote: »

So you explain the sides in the WW1 so?

23-11-2018 09:17PM

BBFAN wrote: »

What side exactly are you on about? The one that was against the Nazis?

Eh? I thought it was WW1 it represents no? A likeness of a Frenchman, German, Austro-Hungarian or a Turk would have been equally acceptable if people are against the horrors of that war unequivocally.

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2018 09:18PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Physically he looks like a British soldier? Like how? He's tall? WTAF?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72066000/jpg/_72066208_10795407_mary_evans_kit_poster.jpg

Could be the same guy!

FFS, do you know what you are talking about at all?

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 09:29PM

What about a LIBRARY to remember them by ?

That would be a pilgrimage some on here could do with making.

:P

Berserker · 23-11-2018 09:34PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So sad that some would desecrate this.

I will say no more because it plays into the you know who's hands.

They haven't gone away you know, but they also seem to have no empathy, no understanding of social or other history at the time, and will always denigrate WW1 from an Irish perspective.

So sad and so destructive.

I think that's the key point to take away from this episode. They talk about moving forward, respecting other traditions but it's all one way traffic and it's all talk. They really are a horrible stain on the decent people, the majority, in Ireland. I look forward to reading the statements of condemnation from the city mayor and even Michael D, the man who wants to make Ireland truly inclusive.

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2018 09:39PM

Berserker wrote: »

I think that the key point to take away from this episode. They talk about moving forward, respecting other traditions but it's all one way traffic and it's all talk. They really are a horrible stain on the decent people, the majority, in Ireland.

You are a supporter of Unionism Berserker and a defender of British army actions here on this island.
Do Irish people who want to respect and remember know this.
I would say, how dare you look down your nose at anyone tbh.

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 09:46PM

Berserker wrote: »

I think that's the key point to take away from this episode. They talk about moving forward, respecting other traditions but it's all one way traffic and it's all talk. They really are a horrible stain on the decent people, the majority, in Ireland. I look forward to reading the statements of condemnation from the city mayor and even Michael D, the man who wants to make Ireland truly inclusive.

Misery loves company, eh ?

corner of hells · 23-11-2018 10:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's all a bit of tenuous projecting tbh. Fair play if you can see that.

He looks physically like a British soldier though, of that there is nothing tenuous.

He does doesn't he , though American soldiers were dressed almost identically and armed with similar lee Enfield.
He could be displayed in the US later.

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2018 10:32PM

corner of hells wrote: »

He does doesn't he , though American soldiers were dressed almost identically and armed with similar lee Enfield.
He could be displayed in the US later.

An American soldier who like the foolish Irish soldiers was an ally of the British???

Yeh..could be. :rolleyes:

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 10:44PM

If we are serious about commemorating those that died in the first world war there are better, certainly less contentious,ways of doing so.
It would be very easy to design something which has no military conotations and therefore would not cause offence to anyone. White Dove, A mother grieving over dead son,A child planting a flower.
Simple message,in memory of all those who died, humanity must never allow this to happen again...etc etc etc.
Why Not..war is the failure of civilisation.
...
Which begs the question ...is the purpose of these monuments to really remember and pay homage to the MILLIONS of mainly poor working class lads who were sent to their deaths by a ruling class that cared not a whit about them....or is it to perpetuate the old myth...Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori

corner of hells · 23-11-2018 10:46PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

If we are serious about commemorating those that died in the first world war there are better, certainly less contentious,ways of doing so.
It would be very easy to design something which has no military conotations and therefore would not cause offence to anyone. White Dove, A mother grieving over dead son,A child planting a flower.
Simple message,in memory of all those who died, humanity must never allow this to happen again...etc etc etc.
Why Not..war is the failure of civilisation.
...
Which begs the question ...is the purpose of these monuments to really remember and pay homage to the MILLIONS of mainly poor working class lads who were sent to their deaths by a ruling class that cared not a whit about them....or is it to perpetuate the old myth...Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori

Like a garden of remembrance ?

Roger Hassenforder · 23-11-2018 10:47PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

If we are serious about commemorating those that died in the first world war there are better, certainly less contentious,ways of doing so.
It would be very easy to design something which has no military conotations and therefore would not cause offence to anyone. White Dove, A mother grieving over dead son,A child planting a flower.
Simple message,in memory of all those who died, humanity must never allow this to happen again...etc etc etc.
Why Not..war is the failure of civilisation.
...
Which begs the question ...is the purpose of these monuments to really remember and pay homage to the MILLIONS of mainly poor working class lads who were sent to their deaths by a ruling class that cared not a whit about them....or is it to perpetuate the old myth...Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori

The working classes had a higher survival rate than "their betters"

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:08PM

A garden of rembrance..Yes

The working classes had a higher survival rate..???
Really? I seriously doubt that.

corner of hells · 23-11-2018 11:13PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

A garden of rembrance..Yes

The working classes had a higher survival rate..???
Really? I seriously doubt that.

We could build the garden of remembrance at Islandbridge or maybe near Parnell Square.

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:14PM

So whats your point

Dyr · 23-11-2018 11:23PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

...
Which begs the question ...is the purpose of these monuments to really remember and pay homage to the MILLIONS of mainly poor working class lads who were sent to their deaths by a ruling class that cared not a whit about them....or is it to perpetuate the old myth...Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori

It's to try show how neat, and clean and civilized (and well advised) we are by rehabilitating the British Empire on this Island

swarlb · 23-11-2018 11:23PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

So whats your point

Maybe it's to show that there is a place of remembrance already, at Islandbridge, Built in the 1930's

Spanish Eyes · 23-11-2018 11:24PM

The participation of many MEN in Ireland (which was Britain at the time, but no matter...), Was an economic decision. Go and get paid, or stay and be destitute.

Neither option was perfect, but hey. Who knows what the right decision is/was. Hindsight is great Foresight and all that.

It was a different time to now. But some will never let the past go. EVER.

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:30PM

It was a different time to now. But some will never let the past go. EVER.[/quote]

Carlsberg dont do Irony

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:31PM

swarlb wrote: »

mick malones mauser wrote: »

So whats your point

Maybe it's to show that there is a place of remembrance already, at Islandbridge, Built in the 1930's

AND ???

corner of hells · 23-11-2018 11:33PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

AND ???

I like your style , we could go for two Garden of Remembrances .

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:37PM

No
We could go for something non contentious
No militarism..
My own preference would be for gigantic murals all over the City with the names of all Generals and Politcians responsible for the slaughter with the words,These monsters sent millions of young men and boys to their deaths.. Never Again !!!

corner of hells · 23-11-2018 11:39PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

No
We could go for something non contentious
No militarism..
My own preference would be for gigantic murals all over the City with the names of all Generals and Politcians responsible for the slaughter with the words,These monsters sent millions of young men and boys to their deaths.. Never Again !!!

So , no gardens of remembrance ?

23-11-2018 11:40PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

A garden of rembrance..Yes

The working classes had a higher survival rate..???
Really? I seriously doubt that.

Newly commissioned officers, usually from the upper classes, were the first up the ladder. Their survival rate was pretty minimal.

mick malones mauser · 23-11-2018 11:45PM

So
One officer and 50 lower ranks are killed going over the top
Hmmm.

'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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