'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

Del.Monte · 22-11-2018 10:50AM #1

The lower end of the gene pool strikes again. :mad:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46302090

JohnnyFlash · 22-11-2018 10:53AM

Probably carried out by some knuckle-dragging moron from Eirigi or some other fringe Republican grouping.

Gatling · 22-11-2018 10:54AM

Stupid arseholes ,

It's a statute ,no doubt one of tens of thousands who claim their grandparents were in the gpo during the rising

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-11-2018 11:02AM

Either a republican or a woke opposed to the lack of colonial representation.

Harry Palmr · 22-11-2018 11:05AM

Sighs. Red paint points me towards socialists.

chrissb8 · 22-11-2018 11:06AM

How stupid can you be. Wouldn't you loved to have asked them what did they get out of doing it? Then the second they open their mouth tell them to stfu because whatever they say is a pile of s**t.

To think we were actually awarded this statue in a lottery of prominent countries. I hope whoever is caught has to clean it up in hi vis jackets in full view of the whole public on a lovely crisp sunny day.

Conall Cernach · 22-11-2018 11:06AM

A statue to a British soldier in the place of one of the key battlegrounds of the Easter Rising. Who thought it was a good idea to put it up there in the first place?

Gravelly · 22-11-2018 11:09AM

chrissb8 wrote: »

To think we were actually awarded this statue in a lottery of prominent countries. I hope whoever is caught has to clean it up in hi vis jackets in full view of the whole public on a lovely crisp sunny day.

A freezing cold, pissing rain day would be even better. I doubt the types that do this give a damn about being seen by the public.

vonlars · 22-11-2018 11:11AM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

A statue to a British soldier in the place of one of the key battlegrounds of the Easter Rising. Who thought it was a good idea to put it up there in the first place?

What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of whose side they were on while fighting for peace?

Chips Lovell · 22-11-2018 11:12AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

The lower end of the gene pool strikes again. :mad:

Guarantee you there'll be at least some people along to defend this vandalism and rail about "the Brits".

Roger Hassenforder · 22-11-2018 11:14AM

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

Guarantee you there'll be at least some people along to defend this vandalism and rail about "the Brits".

Copy and paste: something empire something west brits something imperialism something jingoistic something Irish times.

Trigger Happy · 22-11-2018 11:14AM

It was a very impressive piece that many people went to see. Certainly thought provoking for those of us with relatives who fought in WW1.
Numb skulls think it is provocative and needed defacing. Fck me.

22-11-2018 11:16AM

vonlars wrote: »

What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of who's side they were on while fighting for peace?

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought, century after century, for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

22-11-2018 11:20AM

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

Guarantee you there'll be at least some people along to defend this vandalism and rail about "the Brits".

It's always infinitely more bizarre that there will be some Irish-born people who want this society to commemorate people who fought for the British Empire, the supposedly "good" imperialists who only tried to help the natives wherever they want. Bless.

Harry Palmr · 22-11-2018 11:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

This mentality is hard to fathom, they fought in good faith (and for the money) in hard times. It would have been easy enough to have stayed at home and plough a damp stony field and those who went should not be assumed to be west Brits.

The country is still festooned with lumps of stone or metal commemorating the rising, they haven't gone away you know

Conall Cernach · 22-11-2018 11:26AM

vonlars wrote: »

What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of who's side they were on while fighting for peace?

It is a representation of British soldier, that is very obvious. It's not a German, a French, a Turk, an American, a Russian, An Austrian or an Italian solider. There a dozens of similar statues up all over the North, they all represent British soldiers and they are not about the horror of war or the duplicity and lies that sent these men out to die. They are all about "these guys died for something noble" and that is utter ****e.

I would have been more accepting if the statue was something other than a great big British soldier. If the people that brought us this statue wanted to remember a generation that was murdered on behalf of the elite then there surely are any amount of alternatives they could have opted for.

22-11-2018 11:27AM

Nice memorial to Irish-born British soldiers near it, commemorating those heroic British soldiers who fought bravely to maintain the British concentration camps in South Africa, where tens of thousands of women and children died between 1900 and 1902. It's no wonder when the British erected it even the Home Rule party politicians in Dublin termed it 'Traitors' Gate':

Oddly enough, the removal of this glorification of mass murder to fulfil the unrelenting political aims of the British Empire never makes it to the agenda of journalists in the Dublin media.

22-11-2018 11:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought, century after century, for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

I don't deny your passionate railings against imperialism and its advocates, however they're rather misplaced here.

JPCN1 · 22-11-2018 11:29AM

What a cowardly form of protest. Wouldn't have the courage to stand in front with a placard and try to make whatever point they were trying to make. Sneaking up under cover of darkness tells you all you need to know...

TomSweeney · 22-11-2018 11:30AM

I'd imagine it was AntiFa scum.

HeidiHeidi · 22-11-2018 11:32AM

Maybe a (stupid) political point, or maybe the same sort of knuckle draggers that had to vandalise all those cows when they were placed around Dublin.

The mind just boggles.

Chips Lovell · 22-11-2018 11:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's always infinitely more bizarre that there will be some Irish-born people who want this society to commemorate people who fought for the British Empire, the supposedly "good" imperialists who only tried to help the natives wherever they want. Bless.

If you could just see past your bitterness, you'd realise that there's a difference between commemorating ordinary soldiers who fought and died in that war and glorifying the empires they fought for.

WW1 was a barbaric slaughter of millions of mostly working class young men, lured into signing up to be machine gun fodder for the agents of imperialism.

It's a shame we can't commemorate those men without all the usual toxic vitriol.

megaten · 22-11-2018 11:33AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

I'd imagine it was AntiFa scum.

Do you want to shove the yanks into everything?

theguzman · 22-11-2018 11:33AM

When I saw this on the news there recently I said it won't last candle light before some scumbag does something to it.

Doctors room ghost · 22-11-2018 11:33AM

The pond rat who threw the paint on it should be chained to it like an exhibition so the public can get a good look at him.he should also be made write down his reasoning for vandalizing it and display that aswell.and if they are on entitlements from the state they should also be stopped considering they can afford to be buying paint and wasting it like that.

22-11-2018 11:38AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This mentality is hard to fathom, they fought in good faith (and for the money) in hard times. It would have been easy enough to have stayed at home and plough a damp stony field and those who went should not be assumed to be west Brits.

In every empire's army, excuses can be made for the people who fought for it. Just as excuses can be made for people who committed crimes, without that uniform on, for economic reasons. Where does it end? Well, the answer to that seems quite clear: if they're wearing a British state uniform, they are worthy of commemoration in the eyes of the people who support commemorating the footsoldiers of the British Empire.

Sorry, I don't share that politics.

At the time, many, many thousands of Irish people refused that British money and Britain's latest imperialist war and chose to stay at home. They were not bought off, even in the summer of 1914 when people expected the war to be over within a year (not by Christmas, as is commonly claimed). It took much more courage and conviction to do that than to partake in a war which was expected to be over soon enough. Glorifying these people as "brave" or "heroic" because their reality turned out differently makes no sense.

Alun · 22-11-2018 11:39AM

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

WW1 was a barbaric slaughter of millions of mostly working class young men, lured into signing up to be machine gun fodder for the agents of imperialism.

and the majority of them weren't British either.

_Brian · 22-11-2018 11:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's always infinitely more bizarre that there will be some Irish-born people who want this society to commemorate people who fought for the British Empire, the supposedly "good" imperialists who only tried to help the natives wherever they want. Bless.

My history is weak but while these men were fighting for the British crown and taking the queens schilling, hadn’t the British got their boot firmly on the throats of the ordinary Irish people - Or was that a different British that did that ?

And remind me how was their “paid loyalty” rewarded during the times of the Easter rising when we took a stand to have our country back.

I will not commerate, congratulate or mourn a single soldier that faught or fights for the Queen.

Having said that I wouldn’t condone the destroying of the monument, I would need to acknowledge it’s contex to lower myself to that.

vonlars · 22-11-2018 11:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought, century after century, for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

Ah yeah. Sure the Germans would have been so much nicer to us than the British were :rolleyes:

RandomName2 · 22-11-2018 11:47AM

vonlars wrote: »

Ah yeah. Sure the Germans would have been so much nicer to us than the British were :rolleyes:

Hush. He wants to soapbox exclusively about the UK because his only interest in life is a 32 county republic where the treacherous members of Fine Gael and Fianna Fail can be lined up against the wall.

Grayson · 22-11-2018 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

In every empire's army, excuses can be made for the people who fought for it. Just as excuses can be made for people who committed crimes, without that uniform on, for economic reasons. Where does it end? Well, the answer to that seems quite clear: if they're wearing a British state uniform, they are worthy of commemoration in the eyes of the people who support commemorating the footsoldiers of the British Empire.

Sorry, I don't share that politics.

At the time, many, many thousands of Irish people refused that British money and Britain's latest imperialist war and chose to stay at home. They were not bought off, even in the summer of 1914 when people expected the war to be over within a year (not by Christmas, as is commonly claimed). It took much more courage and conviction to do that than to partake in a war which was expected to be over soon enough. Glorifying these people as "brave" or "heroic" because their reality turned out differently makes no sense.

It took more courage to stay at home than go off and fight a war?

'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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