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'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

Del.Monte

The lower end of the gene pool strikes again. :mad:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46302090

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Harry Palmr

Always beware the one note drum banger. Fuaranach should be outside the British Embassy with a placard or something.

TomSweeney

Gravelly wrote: »

They are very careful about who they attack and keeping their face covered when they do it. Cowards, one and all.

I went to school with a guy that was filmed attacking someone on a LUAS - he was part of the anitFa group

Wasn't exactly a tolerant chap, used to have all the n*gger jokes, also is a football hooligan, big supporter of a north dublin club associated with antiFa.

Would have been so easy for him to have become a far right neo nazi too,

He had a photo of himself on FB doing a nazi salute - years ago now, long since deleted.

different sides of the same coin.

[Deleted User]

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

If you could just see past your bitterness, you'd realise that there's a difference between commemorating ordinary soldiers who fought and died in that war and glorifying the empires they fought for.

WW1 was a barbaric slaughter of millions of mostly working class young men, lured into signing up to be machine gun fodder for the agents of imperialism.

It's a shame we can't commemorate those men without all the usual toxic vitriol.

Ah your opponent's "bitterness", and your rationality. Give it a rest. There were plenty of other slaughters in world history but you're embracing one of the few which resulted in large numbers of British soldiers being victims rather than just perpetrators for a change. Why the moral selectivity about human death?

Should you take a tour around an Irish history book you might encounter some of these slaughters, carried out by the very British Empire you're trying to humanise here. Empires don't exist without their soldiers. You're trying, for your own political agenda, to separate them. Those people were not conscripted into the British forces, they volunteered and were well paid for it. The "following orders" Nuremberg Defence wasn't acceptable in Nuremberg, and it's just as unacceptable a defence for the footsoldiers of imperialist Britain as it was for the footsoldiers of fascist Germany.

valoren

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

If you could just see past your bitterness, you'd realise that there's a difference between commemorating ordinary soldiers who fought and died in that war and glorifying the empires they fought for.

WW1 was a barbaric slaughter of millions of mostly working class young men, lured into signing up to be machine gun fodder for the agents of imperialism.

It's a shame we can't commemorate those men without all the usual toxic vitriol.

Precisely. The statue itself represents a returning soldier, the body language, his expression implying despair, sadness, trauma, dismay etc. It is certainly in no way represented as a means of glorification either for having fought a fight or for fighting for the 'empire', it is a dedicated memorial to soldiers from all sides of the war who died.

This was a cowardly protest conducted in the most cowardly manner possible under the cover of darkness by cowards.

The J Stands for Jay

Conall Cernach wrote: »

A statue to a British soldier in the place of one of the key battlegrounds of the Easter Rising. Who thought it was a good idea to put it up there in the first place?

Maybe have a look at the arch in front of the statue...

Gravelly

TomSweeney wrote: »

AntiFa are quite active in Ireland, they are linked with Eirigi and socialist anarchy groups and have attacked people in Dublin.

They are very careful about who they attack and keeping their face covered when they do it. Cowards, one and all.

BohsCeltic

vonlars wrote: »

What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of whose side they were on while fighting for peace?

What peace ? Look at the state of the world now.

TomSweeney

megaten wrote: »

Do you want to shove the yanks into everything?

AntiFa are quite active in Ireland, they are linked with Eirigi and socialist anarchy groups and have attacked people in Dublin.

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

In every empire's army, excuses can be made for the people who fought for it. Just as excuses can be made for people who committed crimes, without that uniform on, for economic reasons. Where does it end? Well, the answer to that seems quite clear: if they're wearing a British state uniform, they are worthy of commemoration in the eyes of the people who support commemorating the footsoldiers of the British Empire.

Sorry, I don't share that politics.

At the time, many, many thousands of Irish people refused that British money and Britain's latest imperialist war and chose to stay at home. They were not bought off, even in the summer of 1914 when people expected the war to be over within a year (not by Christmas, as is commonly claimed). It took much more courage and conviction to do that than to partake in a war which was expected to be over soon enough. Glorifying these people as "brave" or "heroic" because their reality turned out differently makes no sense.

It took more courage to stay at home than go off and fight a war?

RandomName2

vonlars wrote: »

Ah yeah. Sure the Germans would have been so much nicer to us than the British were :rolleyes:

Hush. He wants to soapbox exclusively about the UK because his only interest in life is a 32 county republic where the treacherous members of Fine Gael and Fianna Fail can be lined up against the wall.

vonlars

Deleted User wrote: »

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought, century after century, for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

Ah yeah. Sure the Germans would have been so much nicer to us than the British were :rolleyes:

_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

It's always infinitely more bizarre that there will be some Irish-born people who want this society to commemorate people who fought for the British Empire, the supposedly "good" imperialists who only tried to help the natives wherever they want. Bless.

My history is weak but while these men were fighting for the British crown and taking the queens schilling, hadn’t the British got their boot firmly on the throats of the ordinary Irish people - Or was that a different British that did that ?

And remind me how was their “paid loyalty” rewarded during the times of the Easter rising when we took a stand to have our country back.

I will not commerate, congratulate or mourn a single soldier that faught or fights for the Queen.

Having said that I wouldn’t condone the destroying of the monument, I would need to acknowledge it’s contex to lower myself to that.

Alun

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

WW1 was a barbaric slaughter of millions of mostly working class young men, lured into signing up to be machine gun fodder for the agents of imperialism.

and the majority of them weren't British either.

[Deleted User]

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This mentality is hard to fathom, they fought in good faith (and for the money) in hard times. It would have been easy enough to have stayed at home and plough a damp stony field and those who went should not be assumed to be west Brits.

In every empire's army, excuses can be made for the people who fought for it. Just as excuses can be made for people who committed crimes, without that uniform on, for economic reasons. Where does it end? Well, the answer to that seems quite clear: if they're wearing a British state uniform, they are worthy of commemoration in the eyes of the people who support commemorating the footsoldiers of the British Empire.

Sorry, I don't share that politics.

At the time, many, many thousands of Irish people refused that British money and Britain's latest imperialist war and chose to stay at home. They were not bought off, even in the summer of 1914 when people expected the war to be over within a year (not by Christmas, as is commonly claimed). It took much more courage and conviction to do that than to partake in a war which was expected to be over soon enough. Glorifying these people as "brave" or "heroic" because their reality turned out differently makes no sense.

theguzman

When I saw this on the news there recently I said it won't last candle light before some scumbag does something to it.

Doctors room ghost

The pond rat who threw the paint on it should be chained to it like an exhibition so the public can get a good look at him.he should also be made write down his reasoning for vandalizing it and display that aswell.and if they are on entitlements from the state they should also be stopped considering they can afford to be buying paint and wasting it like that.

megaten

TomSweeney wrote: »

I'd imagine it was AntiFa scum.

Do you want to shove the yanks into everything?

Chips Lovell

Deleted User wrote: »

It's always infinitely more bizarre that there will be some Irish-born people who want this society to commemorate people who fought for the British Empire, the supposedly "good" imperialists who only tried to help the natives wherever they want. Bless.

If you could just see past your bitterness, you'd realise that there's a difference between commemorating ordinary soldiers who fought and died in that war and glorifying the empires they fought for.

WW1 was a barbaric slaughter of millions of mostly working class young men, lured into signing up to be machine gun fodder for the agents of imperialism.

It's a shame we can't commemorate those men without all the usual toxic vitriol.

HeidiHeidi

Maybe a (stupid) political point, or maybe the same sort of knuckle draggers that had to vandalise all those cows when they were placed around Dublin.

The mind just boggles.

TomSweeney

I'd imagine it was AntiFa scum.

JPCN1

What a cowardly form of protest. Wouldn't have the courage to stand in front with a placard and try to make whatever point they were trying to make. Sneaking up under cover of darkness tells you all you need to know...

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought, century after century, for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

I don't deny your passionate railings against imperialism and its advocates, however they're rather misplaced here.

[Deleted User]

Nice memorial to Irish-born British soldiers near it, commemorating those heroic British soldiers who fought bravely to maintain the British concentration camps in South Africa, where tens of thousands of women and children died between 1900 and 1902. It's no wonder when the British erected it even the Home Rule party politicians in Dublin termed it 'Traitors' Gate':

Oddly enough, the removal of this glorification of mass murder to fulfil the unrelenting political aims of the British Empire never makes it to the agenda of journalists in the Dublin media.

Conall Cernach

vonlars wrote: »

What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of who's side they were on while fighting for peace?

It is a representation of British soldier, that is very obvious. It's not a German, a French, a Turk, an American, a Russian, An Austrian or an Italian solider. There a dozens of similar statues up all over the North, they all represent British soldiers and they are not about the horror of war or the duplicity and lies that sent these men out to die. They are all about "these guys died for something noble" and that is utter ****e.

I would have been more accepting if the statue was something other than a great big British soldier. If the people that brought us this statue wanted to remember a generation that was murdered on behalf of the elite then there surely are any amount of alternatives they could have opted for.

Harry Palmr

Deleted User wrote: »

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

This mentality is hard to fathom, they fought in good faith (and for the money) in hard times. It would have been easy enough to have stayed at home and plough a damp stony field and those who went should not be assumed to be west Brits.

The country is still festooned with lumps of stone or metal commemorating the rising, they haven't gone away you know

[Deleted User]

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

Guarantee you there'll be at least some people along to defend this vandalism and rail about "the Brits".

It's always infinitely more bizarre that there will be some Irish-born people who want this society to commemorate people who fought for the British Empire, the supposedly "good" imperialists who only tried to help the natives wherever they want. Bless.

[Deleted User]

vonlars wrote: »

What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of who's side they were on while fighting for peace?

"Forget" - ah, if we aren't glorifying the footsoldiers of the British Empire by dedicating prominent positions in our public space to them and the "We fought for the rights of small nations" myths of their British imperial society then we are "forgetting" them. How very Royal British Legion of you.

Moreover, there are infinitely more worthy Irish-born people to commemorate than those who fought to defend the very same British Empire that held all of this country under its boot at the same time. Preposterous to commemorate those people.

If I were looking for people worthy of commemoration I'd start with commemorating all those who fought, century after century, for the freedom of this small country from the British colonial jackboot.

Trigger Happy

It was a very impressive piece that many people went to see. Certainly thought provoking for those of us with relatives who fought in WW1.
Numb skulls think it is provocative and needed defacing. Fck me.

Roger Hassenforder

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

Guarantee you there'll be at least some people along to defend this vandalism and rail about "the Brits".

Copy and paste: something empire something west brits something imperialism something jingoistic something Irish times.

Chips Lovell

Del.Monte wrote: »

The lower end of the gene pool strikes again. :mad:

Guarantee you there'll be at least some people along to defend this vandalism and rail about "the Brits".