Free Travel Pass Holders on peak time public transport

Emme · 21-11-2018 02:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You are 110 percent right.

However, im sure there will be a few bleeding heart lefties along in a second to tell you off.

I agree, sick of carrying freeloaders on my back.

And by the way, I have no issue with the sick, elderly, disabled. Its people who cant be bothered to get off their ass and put in a days work that im talking about.

Used to live in the U.S and the ciry I was in proposed giving free travel to seniors. Outcry from the public, pointing out that seniors typically have more disposable income that struggling young familes and can afford to pay their own fare.

City council wound in their horns and didnt give the seniors their free travel. Couldnt imagine that happening here with the grey army or whatever theyre called.

Shush now, you will be ripped apart limb from limb here or called a Trump supporter for expressing sentiments like that

Your role, as a worker, is to pay taxes and try to keep going on the bit of bread and water or Soylent Green you can afford after all your bills have been paid. OK I exaggerate. But in Ireland taxpayers are not supposed to complain in case we upset people.

If the responses i am getting here are anything to go by I am clearly not getting enough fluoride in my tap water to keep me pacified, cowering and silent like other workers so I am off to the doctor to see if he can prescribe some halide-based antidepressants aka Soma to stop me from getting annoyed, sticking my head above the barbed-wire fence and complaining.

xckjoo · 21-11-2018 02:14PM

Emme wrote: »

Shush now, you will be ripped apart limb from limb here or called a Trump supporter for expressing sentiments like that Your role, as a worker, is to pay taxes and try to keep going on the bit of bread and water or Soylent Green you can afford after all your bills have been paid. OK I exaggerate. But in Ireland taxpayers are not supposed to complain in case we upset people.

If the responses i am getting here are anything to go by I am clearly not getting enough fluoride in my tap water to keep me pacified, cowering and silent like other workers so I am off to the doctor to see if he can prescribe some halide-based antidepressants aka Soma to stop me from getting annoyed, sticking my head above the barbed-wire fence and complaining.

Or maybe most people can see that you're anger is misplaced and counterproductive to actually improving things. Just a thought.

PlaneSpeeking · 21-11-2018 02:18PM

xckjoo wrote: »

Or maybe most people can see that you're anger is misplaced and counterproductive to actually improving things. Just a thought.

Or she's 100% correct and to be honest after 11 years of commuting to Dublin city centre from the sticks in the Midlands, I'm going on experience not fluffy feelings that there are people we shouldn't pick on.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 02:23PM

Emme wrote: »

Shush now, you will be ripped apart limb from limb here or called a Trump supporter for expressing sentiments like that Your role, as a worker, is to pay taxes and try to keep going on the bit of bread and water or Soylent Green you can afford after all your bills have been paid. OK I exaggerate. But in Ireland taxpayers are not supposed to complain in case we upset people.

If the responses i am getting here are anything to go by I am clearly not getting enough fluoride in my tap water to keep me pacified, cowering and silent like other workers so I am off to the doctor to see if he can prescribe some halide-based antidepressants aka Soma to stop me from getting annoyed, sticking my head above the barbed-wire fence and complaining.

Do you know how much these freeloaders are adding to the morning crush? Once your list of “acceptable” FTP holders is exhausted? How do you even ascertain who the freeloaders are? These are serious questions, btw.

I said it earlier in the thread but I’d love to be paying taxes because it would mean I wasn’t ill and could actually have a normal life and contribute to society.

You are beginning to sound a bit unhinged in the bolded bit too. Not to mention downright insulting to people who replied to the thread, many in a thoughtful manner. Nobody is under any obligation to agree with you, Emme and disagreeing with you doesn’t make a person brainwashed. That’s actually a pretty arrogant position to take: “I’m right but the brainwashed masses just don’t see it”.

Emme · 21-11-2018 02:29PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Oh and she also mentioned FTP card holders that she didn’t think looked sick. Oh Emme, if only it were that easy to spot. Without a phalanx of hospital scanners to carry around with her, she has no idea of anyone’s health status.

I didn't mention FTP card holders who didn't look sick. I did (cue rain of angry posts) mention pensioners who looked to be in better health than many workers. That doesn't say they aren't but if they're carrying rucksacks and hiking poles one would hope they are fit and healthy.

Perhaps if I myself were in better health overcrowding on trains wouldn't get to me so much. I was attacked by somebody else for mentioning that I have worked when not in full health but if everyone took that attitude nobody would be working in this country. I appreciate that not everyone can pick themselves up, dust themselves off and keep going. I was lucky enough (after exhaustive research) to find a doctor and specialist who could help me back on my feet again. I don't feel 100% well every day but then again who does.

What am I supposed to do? Say everyone, their entire extended family and any pets they all might have has a right to a free travel pass no matter what and a right to travel whenever they want on it whenever they like?

xckjoo · 21-11-2018 02:32PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Or she's 100% correct and to be honest after 11 years of commuting to Dublin city centre from the sticks in the Midlands, I'm going on experience not fluffy feelings that there are people we shouldn't pick on.

Ya. The elderly and disabled with the "school of life" justification for it. Fighting the good fight.

dont bother · 21-11-2018 02:33PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Do you know how much these freeloaders are adding to the morning crush? Once your list of “acceptable” FTP holders is exhausted? How do you even ascertain who the freeloaders are? These are serious questions, btw.

I said it earlier in the thread but I’d love to be paying taxes because it would mean I wasn’t ill and could actually have a normal life and contribute to society.

You are beginning to sound a bit unhinged in the bolded bit too. Not to mention downright insulting to people who replied to the thread, many in a thoughtful manner. Nobody is under any obligation to agree with you, Emme and disagreeing with you doesn’t make a person brainwashed. That’s actually a pretty arrogant position to take: “I’m right but the brainwashed masses just don’t see it”.

the FTP is only the tip of the iceberg though.
why do the biggest scum of our country get everything handed to them for free? why?

the root issue here is that Emme has to commute that huge distance because the same scum who get FTP's are also given prime location housing for free. they are taking up huge swathes of Dublin City and because of this, the workers must commute. the workers also have to pay for the commute, as well as tax, bills, and every other thing that these feral filthbags are getting for free.

the only people who deserve these freebies are the elderly and the sick/disabled.

scum who just dont want to work, and then take up all these prime city locations with their social housing are the problem which then leads to the other ancillary problems, such as the FTP.

they shouldnt be even given a chance to give a reason as to why they "want" or "need" to stay in a particular area. hoosh them all out to Meath and be done with it. sell the houses to workers and then we might be some-way to a decent society that would work a little bit better than it does now.

Emme · 21-11-2018 02:34PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Do you know how much these freeloaders are adding to the morning crush? Once your list of “acceptable” FTP holders is exhausted? How do you even ascertain who the freeloaders are? These are serious questions, btw.

I said it earlier in the thread but I’d love to be paying taxes because it would mean I wasn’t ill and could actually have a normal life and contribute to society.

You are beginning to sound a bit unhinged in the bolded bit too. Not to mention downright insulting to people who replied to the thread, many in a thoughtful manner. Nobody is under any obligation to agree with you, Emme and disagreeing with you doesn’t make a person brainwashed. That’s actually a pretty arrogant position to take: “I’m right but the brainwashed masses just don’t see it”.

I am sorry that you and anyone else who might see this would love to be well enough to work and pay taxes. I hope you can find a way to recover and if you do it would be wise to find a job that doesn't have a long commute. Commuting has destroyed my health even though I can still work.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 02:38PM

Emme wrote: »

I didn't mention FTP card holders who didn't look sick. I did (cue rain of angry posts) mention pensioners who looked to be in better health than many workers. That doesn't say they aren't but if they're carrying rucksacks and hiking poles one would hope they are fit and healthy.

Perhaps if I myself were in better health overcrowding on trains wouldn't get to me so much. I was attacked by somebody else for mentioning that I have worked when not in full health but if everyone took that attitude nobody would be working in this country. I appreciate that not everyone can pick themselves up, dust themselves off and keep going. I was lucky enough (after exhaustive research) to find a doctor and specialist who could help me back on my feet again. I don't feel 100% well every day but then again who does.

What am I supposed to do? Say everyone, their entire extended family and any pets they all might have has a right to a free travel pass no matter what and a right to travel whenever they want on it whenever they like?

You didn’t mention FTP card holders who didn’t look sick... except pensioners.

And some of them might not even have been FTP card holders, they might not be 66. You’re making all kinds of assumptions about the group you saw.

The bolded paragraph is simply hyperbole. Most pensioners can only bring their spouse for free unless they are ill, in which they can bring anyone. They can only bring ONE person along with them on the free pass. What are you wittering on about entire extended families and pets for? I get it, exaggeration for effect, but it does your case no good at all.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-11-2018 02:44PM

With all due respect Obvious Desperate Breakfast, she isn’t starting to sound unhinged. And just like you state nobody is under any obligation to agree with the OP, the same courtesy is extended to you. I am on the fence about what the op is proposing purely because I’d hate to make more vulnerable people feel isolated but I can’t disagree with what she’s saying.

We live in a country where entitlement culture is rife. We’re safdled with so much of other people’s debts in so far as well probably never own our own homes, we’re putting off starting a family until much later because we’re so busy paying for other people’s, were working ourselves into the ground and struggling to pay 50 euro to see the GP when were sick, while paying into a pot that only is distributed between those who contribute nothing.

The unemployed, and the people who have made a career out of making their womb into public transport are the people who benefit the most.

The property tax that I pay, that’s supposed to maintain local areas, does not maintain the area I pay in. They are all private houses, hedges cut are the landowners responsibility, no street lights, no footpaths, potholes left months without being fixed. You go into the local council estates you have children at play signs, speed ramps, a decent road, new footpaths, a maintained green, ample lighting. Funny how people didn’t take to the streets when that came in, or when the usc which was supposed to be temporary came in. No, only when water charges came in and it was made clear that everyone would pay for the water they used and not just the employed.

You get absolutely nothing in this country when you attempt to stand on your own two feet and help yourself, except rode. Are you telling me that it’s right that in the past two budgets the unemployed get €10 extra per week AND a Christmas bonus while the working people have probably got about €4 better off?
Do you think they worry about going to the dr when they get sick?
Do you think they give a second thought to having children they will be quite happy to declare as homeless because they want a forever house? Do you think people are happy to keep paying for people like that? Do you think we should be blessed and honored that we have the privilege of paying for kids we didn’t even get the ride for?

I know you say you wish you were paying taxes, but you’re not. You’re unwell, and that’s a sh1t hand to be dealt, truely it is. But the people who are funding everyone else have also their own crosses to bear, so for you to tear into someone and call them unhinged and insulting and arrogant well, the phrase pot kettle and a dark colour comes to mind.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 02:48PM

Viviana Careful Wildfire wrote: »

With all due respect Obvious Desperate Breakfast, she isn’t starting to sound unhinged. And just like you state nobody is under any obligation to agree with the OP, the same courtesy is extended to you. I am on the fence about what the op is proposing purely because I’d hate to make more vulnerable people feel isolated but I can’t disagree with what she’s saying.

We live in a country where entitlement culture is rife. We’re safdled with so much of other people’s debts in so far as well probably never own our own homes, we’re putting off starting a family until much later because we’re so busy paying for other people’s, were working ourselves into the ground and struggling to pay 50 euro to see the GP when were sick, while paying into a pot that only is distributed between those who contribute nothing.

The unemployed, and the people who have made a career out of making their womb into public transport are the people who benefit the most.

The property tax that I pay, that’s supposed to maintain local areas, does not maintain the area I pay in. They are all private houses, hedges cut are the landowners responsibility, no street lights, no footpaths, potholes left months without being fixed. You go into the local council estates you have children at play signs, speed ramps, a decent road, new footpaths, a maintained green, ample lighting. Funny how people didn’t take to the streets when that came in, or when the usc which was supposed to be temporary came in. No, only when water charges came in and it was made clear that everyone would pay for the water they used and not just the employed.

You get absolutely nothing in this country when you attempt to stand on your own two feet and help yourself, except rode. Are you telling me that it’s right that in the past two budgets the unemployed get €10 extra per week AND a Christmas bonus while the working people have probably got about €4 better off?
Do you think they worry about going to the dr when they get sick?
Do you think they give a second thought to having children they will be quite happy to declare as homeless because they want a forever house? Do you think people are happy to keep paying for people like that? Do you think we should be blessed and honored that we have the privilege of paying for kids we didn’t even get the ride for?

I know you say you wish you were paying taxes, but you’re not. You’re unwell, and that’s a sh1t hand to be dealt, truely it is. But the people who are funding everyone else have also their own crosses to bear, so for you to tear into someone and call them unhinged and insulting and arrogant well, the phrase pot kettle and a dark colour comes to mind.

Let me just stop you there at the bolded bit. When you start banging on about water fluoridation, you’re beginning to sound unhinged. With all due respect. It’s either unhinged or foot-stomping because not enough people are agreeing with her. Neither is a good look. AND she’s provided nothing but anecdote to back up her view that FTP holders are clogging up rush hour transport. She also hasn’t suggested how deciding which FTP holder deserve to go free at rush hour would be administered.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-11-2018 02:52PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Let me just stop you there at the bolded bit. When you start banging on about water fluoridation, you’re beginning to sound unhinged. With all due respect. It’s either unhinged or foot-stomping because not enough people are agreeing with her. Neither is a good look.

Sorry, I didn’t realize you had a degree in online physcology. Carry on and pardon my ignorance.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 02:54PM

Viviana Careful Wildfire wrote: »

Sorry, I didn’t realize you had a degree in online physcology. Carry on and pardon my ignorance.

Can you point to where I said did?

Ta.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-11-2018 02:57PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Can you point to where I said did? Ta.

Well you’re throwing around your online diagnosis of people’s mental health on a message board so I assume you must hold some sort of qualification to enable you to do so

PlaneSpeeking · 21-11-2018 03:02PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Let me just stop you there at the bolded bit. When you start banging on about water fluoridation, you’re beginning to sound unhinged. With all due respect. It’s either unhinged or foot-stomping because not enough people are agreeing with her. Neither is a good look. AND she’s provided nothing but anecdote to back up her view that FTP holders are clogging up rush hour transport. She also hasn’t suggested how deciding which FTP holder deserve to go free at rush hour would be administered.

She was being SARCASTIC. There's a difference between that an "unhinged".

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 03:10PM

Viviana Careful Wildfire wrote: »

Well you’re throwing around your online diagnosis of people’s mental health on a message board so I assume you must hold some sort of qualification to enable you to do so

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

She was being SARCASTIC. There's a difference between that an "unhinged".

Sarcastic or unhinged, neither is a good look in this context. Both point to annoyance that some people have the temerity to disagree with her. Anyone who puts a thread out there has to accept that it might not develop as they please. And Emme has ignored many posts that made good points.

And that’s just my own take, Viviana Careful Wildfire. No qualifications needed. Should nobody express an opinion here unless they have qualifications specific to the topic? Do YOU have the necessary qualifications every time you give your opinion on this messageboard?

Zorya · 21-11-2018 03:10PM

Am a bit confused. Who are the ''scum'' who are getting FTPs? As far as I can make out, everyone over 66 and permanently resident in Ireland, and people on disability allowance, blind pension, carer’s allowance and invalidity pension. IE gthe sick and old, thus deserving.

The most important problem is lack of provision of adequate services. That's it.

And as for the poor people robbing the workers, look into debt repayment/guarantees to banks and bondholders to the tune of 69 billion euros, 31 billion of promissory notes to be repaid by money the Irish state borrows on the open market plus interest to avoid the euro being devalued and this repayment cash being burned (''The funds are extinguished,'' - P. Honohan) by the billion every year in the Central Bank.

We should not be at each others throats over lack of seats on inadequate trains.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 03:15PM

Zorya wrote: »

Am a bit confused. Who are the ''scum'' who are getting FTPs? As far as I can make out, everyone over 66 and permanently resident in Ireland, and people on disability allowance, blind pension, carer’s allowance and invalidity pension. IE gthe sick and old, thus deserving.

The most important problem is lack of provision of adequate services. That's it.

And as for the poor people robbing the workers, look into debt repayment/guarantees to banks and bondholders to the tune of 69 billion euros, 31 billion of promissory notes to be repaid by money the Irish state borrows on the open market plus interest to avoid the euro being devalued and this repayment cash being burned (''The funds are extinguished,'' - P. Honohan) by the billion every year in the Central Bank.

We should not be at each others throats over lack of seats on inadequate trains.

And with the new system, fraud is more difficult. The card isn’t easy to get either. I more than deserved it but there was still plenty of hoop-jumping involved.

I totally agree, we need to focus ire at the lack of decent services. Scapegoating a section of society will do nothing.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-11-2018 03:21PM

Zorya wrote: »

Am a bit confused. Who are the ''scum'' who are getting FTPs? As far as I can make out, everyone over 66 and permanently resident in Ireland, and people on disability allowance, blind pension, carer’s allowance and invalidity pension. IE gthe sick and old, thus deserving.

The most important problem is lack of provision of adequate services. That's it.

And as for the poor people robbing the workers, look into debt repayment/guarantees to banks and bondholders to the tune of 69 billion euros, 31 billion of promissory notes to be repaid by money the Irish state borrows on the open market plus interest to avoid the euro being devalued and this repayment cash being burned (''The funds are extinguished,'' - P. Honohan) by the billion every year in the Central Bank.

We should not be at each others throats over lack of seats on inadequate trains.

Well when I was commuting, a well known junkie/drug dealer was on the same home train as me 4 nights out of 5 from Dublin. He would be met in the train station carpark by a group of young men, (there could be ten plus lads around him). Two weeks before he killed himself, he robbed someone outside the train station and even took their shoes off. He was on a free travel pass because of his “disability” (heroin addiction) and was clearly using his travel pass to bring drugs down from Dublin.

PlaneSpeeking · 21-11-2018 03:25PM

Viviana Careful Wildfire wrote: »

Well when I was commuting, a well known junkie/drug dealer was on the same home train as me 4 nights out of 5 from Dublin. He would be met in the train station carpark by a group of young men, (there could be ten plus lads around him). Two weeks before he killed himself, he robbed someone outside the train station and even took their shoes off. He was on a free travel pass because of his “disability” (heroin addiction) and was clearly using his travel pass to bring drugs down from Dublin.

I agree that drug addiction and alcoholism may be seen by some as "illnesses", I vehemently disagree that they are disabilities worthy of disability allowance and the perks associated with it.

Zorya · 21-11-2018 03:36PM

In order for the anger about improper usage of FTP to have any bearing whatsoever upon one's own irritation about a lack of seats on public transport, one would have to be able to quantify, at least to a reasonable extent, how many users of the FTP fall into a category similiar to that of the junkie dealing drugs via free transport.

My guess - though of course I could be wrong - is that it would be very, very few people who would fall within that category. Removing every single one of such people from trains and buses would likely do VERY little to ease congestion on what is an inadequate and under-funded transport system.

So feeling angry at people who have utterly miserable, contemptible existences perching here and there on the odd train seat is a bit useless in this case. Although I can think of plenty of other instances where one might be very justified to be angry with such people.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 03:42PM

Zorya wrote: »

In order for the anger about improper usage of FTP to have any bearing whatsoever upon one's own irritation about a lack of seats on public transport, one would have to be able to quantify, at least to a reasonable extent, how many users of the FTP fall into a category similiar to that of the junkie dealing drugs via free transport.

My guess - though of course I could be wrong - is that it would be very, very few people who would fall within that category. Removing every single one of such people from trains and buses would likely do VERY little to ease congestion on what is an inadequate and under-funded transport system.

So feeling angry at people who have utterly miserable, contemptible existences perching here and there on the odd train seat is a bit useless in this case. Although I can think of plenty of other instances where one might be very justified to be angry with such people.

+1

It just seems like such an impotent argument. Have I been next to very questionable characters on public transport down the years, both in my sickness and in my health? Sure. But not really very often.

So let’s say we find the perfect system and the freeloaders are dealt with. How much more likely is it that commuters like Emme will gets seats? I’m going to say not much more likely. Especially as, from my own admittedly anecdotal observations, questionable characters seem to love their beauty sleep and are unlikely to be up for the morning rush hour! :pac:

Zorya · 21-11-2018 03:49PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

+1

It just seems like such an impotent argument. Have I been next to very questionable characters on public transport down the years, both in my sickness and in my health? Sure. But not really very often.

So let’s say we find the perfect system and the freeloaders are dealt with. How much more likely is it that commuters like Emme will gets seats? I’m going to say not much more likely. Especially as, from my own admittedly anecdotal observations, questionable characters seem to love their beauty sleep and are unlikely to be up for the morning rush hour! :pac:

Heh, I will have to report back in after my coming weekend of train travel. Perhaps I will have met many more of such sorts by then. The closer to the East coast I get, the weirder the whole world seems.

PlaneSpeeking · 21-11-2018 03:50PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

+1

It just seems like such an impotent argument. Have I been next to very questionable characters on public transport down the years, both in my sickness and in my health? Sure. But not really very often.

So let’s say we find the perfect system and the freeloaders are dealt with. How much more likely is it that commuters like Emme will gets seats? I’m going to say not much more likely. Especially as, from my own admittedly anecdotal observations, questionable characters seem to love their beauty sleep and are unlikely to be up for the morning rush hour! :pac:

Laugh all you like but the issue isn't going in, it's coming home when you've done a long day's work and have to stand for someone who has not.

witchgirl26 · 21-11-2018 03:56PM

Emme wrote: »

I didn't mention FTP card holders who didn't look sick. I did (cue rain of angry posts) mention pensioners who looked to be in better health than many workers. That doesn't say they aren't but if they're carrying rucksacks and hiking poles one would hope they are fit and healthy.

On this, just because they have backpacks and hiking poles doesn't mean they're going for a hike or are ok. My mam (and she only got the FTP this year) often will have a hiking pole and a backpack if she's going out in winter. This is because she is afraid of falling and has a bad leg. She'd use a walking stick but the handle aggravates the arthritis in her hands whereas the pole is a lot more comfortable. The backpack is to carry whatever she's going out to get as she doesn't want to carry bags.

Just proving the point that you can't judge people from the outside and say they are probably fit and healthy because no matter what, you have no idea what's going on behind that face.

iamwhoiam · 21-11-2018 03:56PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Laugh all you like but the issue isn't going in, it's coming home when you've done a long day's work and have to stand for someone who has not.

Not that I would choose to but lets just say I needed to travel at peak time in the evening would you object to me sitting while you stand ? I have a senior citizens FTP and have not worked that day ( i did work for 40 years mind you )

PlaneSpeeking · 21-11-2018 04:06PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Not that I would choose to but lets just say I needed to travel at peak time in the evening would you object to me sitting while you stand ? I have a senior citizens FTP and have not worked that day ( i did work for 40 years mind you )

As has been covered ad nauseum, absolutely not - I'd stand for you if need be.

I was raised to respect my elders. Plus how I could I object to being treated badly as a hard working tax payer and then diss people who have done in a decade or more longer than I have so far ?

Leave pensioners alone, full stop IMO.

iamwhoiam · 21-11-2018 04:09PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

As has been covered ad nauseum, absolutely not - I'd stand for you if need be.

I was raised to respect my elders. Plus how I could I object to being treated badly as a hard working tax payer and then diss people who have done in a decade or more longer than I have so far ?

Leave pensioners alone, full stop IMO.

Then I am not sure who you object to then ? As free travel passes are mainly carried by pensioners and those with a disability ?
They are actually not that easy to get or handed out willy nilly . ?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-11-2018 04:11PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Then I am not sure who you object to then ? As free travel passes are mainly carried by pensioners and those with a disability ?
They are actually not that easy to get or handed out willy nilly . ?

I don’t think the op was complaining about people carrying them, more so people using them on rush hour trains, peak times.

PlaneSpeeking · 21-11-2018 04:12PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Then I am not sure who you object to then ? As free travel passes are mainly carried by pensioners and those with a disability ?
They are actually not that easy to get or handed out willy nilly . ?

My main gripe would be exactly what is classed as a disability in this country.

Having seen some incredibly questionable "pharmaceutical enthusiasts" travelling with one, it does p**s you off somewhat.

Free Travel Pass Holders on peak time public transport

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