Madeleine McCann

Deusexmachina wrote: »

It is really the most straightforward explanation - the other explanations depend on a very complex and contrived set of circumstances - particularly the parents burying the body undetected....

I disagree. An increasing number of high profile investigators and experts such as investigator Moita Flores and US crime agency owner Pat Brown believe the abduction theory holds no water. Pat Brown  stated that

When I analysed (Madeleine’s) case, it led me to believe evidence does not support an abduction.
“An abduction was extremely unlikely based on the amount of time, evidence at the scene, and every other shred of evidence there has ever been.”

https://www.her.ie/news/crime-expert-claims-madeleine-mccann-not-abducted-338304

Its not that "other explanations depend on a very complex and contrived set of circumstances - particularly the parents burying the body undetected" - it's simply that an abduction cannot be substantiated

The following article is overblown in parts and not particularly well presented imo - but it does highlight many of issues relevant to this

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2010/07/100-reasons-why-madeleine-mccann-was.html?m=1

Charmeleon wrote: »

Except he was walking in the total opposite direction. Remember than Jane claimed he was ‘swarthy’, ‘with hair over his neck’ yet positively identified unmistakably British Murat who had short hair. Her story reeks to high heaven. Why?

Nobody know's why toteman was going that direction. ( He never said AFAIK )


Possible explanations can only be guessed at:



it has been suggested that he realised he forgotten his keys ( block 4 ) and was heading back to meet his wife who had their young boy with them by cutting through block 6 which is the quickest way back to the Night Creche



Night Creche that was operating from the main Ocean Club reception





This is The Ocean club reception (Tapas Bar)
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Charmeleon wrote: »

yet positively identified unmistakably British Murat who had short hair.

No she didn't


JT= Jane Tanner


4078=Police Officer


JT
So Russell, we walked, so I arranged to meet Bob SMALL in a car park at half seven or something at night or whatever it was,
so Russell and I walked up to, erm, to meet Bob SMALL and, by chance, erm,
we walked up, we’d missed the throng of Press that were at the top of the road,
we actually walked up by Robert MURAT’s house and he came down in his car, in his van at that point, stopped,
and he knew Russ, he’d met Russell earlier in the week, so he actually jumped out to say ‘Hi’ to Russell and he was showing us, erm, things in the back of his car as to what he was doing with the,
erm, because they’d set up a stop where people could come and give their own evidence”.

4078
“Yeah, I can remember that”.

JT
“So he’d actually jumped out and I’d never, I’d never, I hadn’t met him at this point, so I didn’t really know who he was

4078
“And you said, you described his hair quite well. Having seen MURAT then and obviously in the papers since, could you link the two of those?”

JT
“I don’t think so. I mean, I don’t, phew, I don’t, I don’t think it, no, there doesn’t, there’s no, but then the person I see in the paper doesn’t really look like my recollection of the person I met on the way to meet Bob SMALL. It’s really annoying because normally I would have probably taken more notice but I was so worried about what I was going to do, because I didn’t know at this point at all, I didn’t really take any notice, but I think it was too short and I remember it being, being long into the neck and not so.

Again, I don’t really, when I saw Robert MURAT outside his house he looked quite little to me, but then when you see him on the telly he seems quite bit, so I can’t, again, I don’t think the build, the build was right, I don’t”.

4078
“So you don’t feel, in your heart of hearts”.

JT
“No”.

4078
“You don’t feel it was the same person?”
JT
“No, I don’t, no”.
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Jane Tanner only had a side view




Crimewatch photo when Toteman told Operation grange the sighting could be him

No credible timeline can be produced in order for the parents do have done it. Logistically, it just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. I have yet to see someone, anyone, come up with how and when the parents could have done it and got away with it so cleanly.



As for a motive for two seemingly normal parents either killing or disposing of their much wanted and longed for child on a foreign holiday, I'd love to hear one, because quite frankly, some of the motives suggested on here have been utter fantasy stuff. The sedation theory has no merit whatsoever (Calpol does not sedate and no other sedatives were found). No blood found to indicate a terrible accident. Just an empty bed.


For those dismissing the abduction theory because of no fingerprints/ knocked items, which burglar/ abductor would leave fingerprints at the scene? There would surely have been countless fingerprints in the apartment already, what with it being tourist accommodation and all.
Knocked over stuff? Unless they were incredibly clumsy, why would there be stuff knocked over?

It is well known the crime scene was not preserved properly from the beginning, so had there been footprints etc, they would have been destroyed by the amount of people allowed to randomly trample around the room. Nobody saw an abductor? True. Nobody saw either Kate or Gerry disposing of their child either.


Either way, it's the timeline of events which leads me to believe the parents had nothing to do with it. I simply don't think it's feasible.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think the abduction theory is feasible either.

But anyway, just as an aside, an (in)famous peadophile was living there at the time. Clement Freud. I wonder if the McCanns knew him before he invited them to his villa in PdaL to escape the media glare. They seem to have been able to muster up the Press, Sky News, detectives, money for the fund, friends in high places in jig time.

Hmmm.

Hmmm...indeed.


What exactly are you insinuating there Spanish Eyes?

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think the abduction theory is feasible either.

But anyway, just as an aside, an (in)famous peadophile was living there at the time. Clement Freud. I wonder if the McCanns knew him before he invited them to his villa in PdaL to escape the media glare. They seem to have been able to muster up the Press, Sky News, detectives, money for the fund, friends in high places in jig time.

Hmmm.

Clement inviting them for dinner always seemed very odd to me.


Them accepting the invitation in more so.

What evidence is there to suggest Freud might have been involved, however tangentially?

Thus far, the Freud family’s only comment has come from his son Matthew, a high-powered PR.

Between expletives, he told a Mail reporter his father had been in Britain on May 3, 2007, the night she was abducted from her bed as her parents ate a tapas supper with friends in a nearby restaurant.

His assertion appears to be supported by the fact that Freud’s horse-racing column for the Sun was published two days later, on May 5.

By early July he was once again installed in Praia da Luz.

As Kate McCann recalls in her book, at the beginning of that month they received a cryptic letter at their lodgings near the Ocean Club.

‘Dear McCanns,’ it began. ‘I have a house in P da L, been ashamed of the intrusion into your lives by our media . . . and if you would care to come to lunch/dinner at any time before Wednesday next, do ring and let me know.’

Doubtless sure of his culinary renown, he signed off with a droll aside: ‘I cook decent meals.’ Ironically, however, Kate and Gerry could barely remember who he was, and had to be reminded. Even so, they were touched by Freud’s gesture of ‘kindness and friendship’ (it came at a time when the tide of public opinion was turning against them, and they were falling under the unwarranted suspicion of the Portuguese police) and duly accepted his invitation.

They were aware of who he was, but never had any contact prior to the above.

Freud was probably trying to get details about the case off them OR was just being kind

Deleted User wrote: »

David Payne is also quite a strange character. He had previously made sexual references to Gerry about Madeleine.

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Yeah he's an odd one.


wasn't there something about him on holiday with another of the mcanns friends and he made gestures like rubbing his nipples?


IIRC the statement was given by a couple to the british police at the time and was held back for 9/10 months


very odd behaviour

Forensic Test Results

Samples collected in the living room of the apartment 5A, block A, Ocean Club, tourist resort - Praia da Luz, Lagos, on August 1st, 2007, following the examination carried out by a British specialist dog team. Delivery note no. 286/2007 - CR/L):

Objects attributed to the Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club


86/2007-CRL (1) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 1
A DNA result by LCN, that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex for a meaningful interpretation, was obtained from the cellular material collected from these floor tiles.

286/2007-CRL (2) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 2
An inconclusive, incomplete DNA result, consisting of only some unconfirmed DNA components, was obtained from the cellular material recovered from the edges of floor-tile 2 from the apartment floor. The attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from the larger area of floor-tile 2 was unfruitful, given that it was not possible to obtain any DNA profile. These samples were then subjected to LCN analysis.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material in an area of floor-tile 2. In my opinion, there is not any positive proof that supports the theory of any of the members of the McCann family to have contributed DNA to this result. A DNA result was obtained through LCN consistent with only one DNA component from a second area of floor-tile 2. In my opinion, this component leaves no room for any other interpretation.

286/2007-CRL (3) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 3
The attempts to a DNA profile from any cellular material in two areas of this floor-tile were unfruitful, given that no DNA profile was obtained. These samples were submitted for LCN analysis.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 10

A DNA result that consisted of only some DNA components was obtained through LCN analysis of cellular material recovered from one area of floor-tile 3. In my opinion, this result left no room for any other interpretation. The attempt made the obtain a DNA profile through LCN from a second area of floor-tile 3 was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained.

286/2007-CRL (4) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 4
Low-level DNA results were obtained through LCN from cellular material present in swabs collected from these floor-tiles. In my opinion, this resuly contained information too meagre [scanty/poor] to permit a meaningful comparison.

286/2007-CRL (5) Pieces of floor-tile identified close to number 1
The attempt to obtain a DNA result through the LCN technique from some cellular material present in swabs collected from the marks [spots] 1, 2 and 3 were unfruitful, given that no DNA profile was obtained.

286/2007-CRL (6) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 1
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from these objects.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 11

286/2007-CRL (7) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 2
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (8) Pieces of skirting board identified as numbers 2 and 3
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (9) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 3
A DNA result that contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in swabs collected from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (10) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 4
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 12

286/2007-CRL (11) Pieces of skirting board identified close to number 1
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (12) Pieces of skirting board identified close to number 4
Low-level DNA results were obtained through LCN from cellular material present in swabs collected from these objects.
In my opinion, there exists no proof that supports the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to these results.

286/2007-CRL (13) Residual/small fragments in the area of the skirting board.
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (14) Dust/small fragments in the area of the floor tiles
This object was not adequate to perform DNA profile tests.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 13

286/2007-CRL (15) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (16) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 1
A DNA profile that did not match any [of the five members] of the McCann family was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area.

286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

286/2007-CRL (18) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 3
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 14

286/2007-CRL (19) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 4
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (20) Fragments of floor tile and grouting
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (21) Fragments of bush/shrubbery
Insofar as it relates to this sample, the examination performed was aimed at the detection of the possible presence of blood, no trace thereof having been found. Particles from the superficial surface layer were recovered and preserved in a way similar to that of hairs and fibres. In my opinion, the capillary roots were not good quality as they were not adequate to perform DNA profile tests.

286/2007-CRL (22, 23 e 24) Oral swabs for elimination
A new deposition to report the examination of these objects will be presented at a future time along with the DNA profiles obtained to date from all the DNA results relating to this case.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 15

286A/2007-CRL 1A & B Swabs collected from the floor of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a male individual but not matching any other profile obtained in this case, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.

286A/2007-CRL 2A & B Swabs collected from the floor of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two people, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 3A& B Swabs collected from the floor of the apartment
An incomplete and weak DNA result comprising only some unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from the cellular material present in the dry swab (3A). The attempt to obtain a result from any cellular material that may have been in the same area and present in the wet swab (3B) was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained. These samples were submitted for LCN tests.

An incomplete DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3A). The low-level DNA result showed very meagre information indicating more than one person. Departing from the principle that all confirmed DNA components within the scope of this result originated from a single source, then these pointed to corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann; however, if the DNA within the scope of this result originated from more than one person then the result could be explained as being DNA originating from [a mixture of DNA from both] Kate Healy and Gerald McCann, for example. DNA profiles established through LCN are extremely sensitive; it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid. nor to determine how or when that DNA was transferred to that area.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 16

A low-level DNA result was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3B).
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 4A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a female individual, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 17

286A/2007-CRL 6A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The DNA results obtained through LCN from cellular material present in these combined swabs contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful comparison.

286A/2007-CRL 7A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 8A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The DNA results obtained through LCN from cellular material present in these combined swabs contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful comparison.

286A/2007-CRL 9A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a male individual, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. Also, this result did not match in any way the profile obtained from swabs 286A/2007 CRL 1A & B.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 18

286A/2007-CRL 10A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 11A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The attempt to obtain a DNA result through LCN from all and any cellular material recovered from these combined swabs was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286A/2007-CRL 12A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there is no evidence that supports the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 19

286A/2007-CRL 13A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The attempt to obtain a DNA result through LCN from all and any cellular material recovered from these combined swabs was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286A/2007-CRL 14A & B Swabs collected from the rear of the sofa
Weak and incomplete DNA results consisting only of some unconfirmed DNA components were obtained from the cellular material present in these wet and dry swabs. In my opinion the results are not adequate for comparison purposes. These samples were submitted for LCN analysis.

A mixed, low-level DNA result was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in each of the swabs.
In my opinion, there are no conclusive indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to these results.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 20

286A/2007-CRL 15A & B Swabs collected from the rear of the sofa
A weak and incomplete DNA result showing indications as having come from more than one person was obtained from the cellular material present in dry swab (15A) effected on the rear of the sofa. In my opinion the result is not adequate for comparison purposes. These samples were submitted for LCN analysis.

A DNA result, apparently originating from at least three persons of whom at least two were male and contributed the majority of the DNA, was obtained from the cellular material present in the wet swab (15B) effected on the rear of the sofa.
In my opinion, there are no conclusive indications that justify the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result, comprising only some DNA components, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the dry swab (15A).
In my opinion, there are no conclusive indications that justify the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.[/QUOTE]



Forensic Evidence from the McCann hire car.


Objects attributed to the motor vehicle Renault 'Scenic' (matricula 59-DA-27)

286C/2007-CRL1 D Nail ([human] hand)
From this fragment of a nail from the finger of a [human] hand, a DNA result was obtained through the LCN technique which corresponded to Gerald McCann. In the same result an additional DNA component, unique and unconfirmed, was found that left no room for any other interpretation.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 7

286C/2007-CRL2E Nail (hand)
From this fragment ... a DNA result was obtained through the LCN technique which corresponded to Kate Healy. In the same DNA result were found two more DNA components, one of which was not confirmed; these DNA components left no room for any other interpretation.

286C/2007-CRL10 Baggage compartment
This object comprised two sections of the baggage compartment of the Renault Scenic, the first being a baggage compartment lined with fabric with ventilation holes (designated in the UK laboratory as CRL/10(1)) and, the second a moulded plastic extension (designated in the laboratory as CRL/10(2)).

A mixed, low-level DNA result, appearing to be from at least three people, was obtained from the cellular material collected (harvested) from the baggage compartment lined with fabric (286C/2007-CRL/10(1)) of the motor vehicle. That sample was submitted to tests to obtain DNA profiles through the LCN technique.

A DNA result through the LCN technique, which appeared to be from at least three persons, was obtained from the cellular material collected (harvested) from the baggage compartment lined with fabric (286C/2007-CRL/10(1)). In my opinion, this result is too complex to make a meaningful interpretation.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 8

The attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material collected from the plastic area on the baggage compartment (286C/2007-CRL /10(2)) was unfruitful [fruitless, in vain, useless, unproductive, unsuccessful], because no DNA profile was obtained.

A mixed, low-level DNA result, that appeared to be from at least two persons, was obtained from a second area of the baggage compartment plastic (286C/2007-CRL /10(2)). This sample was submitted for tests to obtain DNA profiles through LCN.

A DNA result by complex LCN that appeared to be from at least three persons, was obtained from cellular material collected on the section of the baggage compartment 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. In my opinion, that result is too complex for a meaningful interpretation.

An incomplete, low-level DNA profile that matched corresponding components in the profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material present on the card key - (286C/2007-CRL (12)). I guess this is the fob of the car-keys

My colleague, Andrew Palmer, submitted various hair collected from the Renault Scenic for tests, using ... LCN.
Those hairs were designated as 7B hair 1 and 7C hairs 7, 13 e 15. Attempts to obtain a DNA profile of each hair by LCN was unfruitful, because no DNA profile was obtained by LCN, possibly due to there being an insufficient quantity of good quality DNA.



An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from one area of the plastic luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(2))) from the motor vehicle was unsuccessful in that no DNA profiles were obtained.

A low level mixed DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least two people was obtained from a second area of the plastic luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(2))) from the motor vehicle. In my opinion this result is too complex to interpret at this stage.

A low level mixed DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the fibre coated luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(1))) from the motor vehicle. In my opinion this result is too complex to interpret at this stage.

A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card (286C/2007-CRL(12)). This sample has not been sent for further testing using LCN DNA profiling tests.

An attempt to obtain an LCN DNA result from any cellular material on the swab from area one of the luggage compartment section (286C/2007 CRL 10) was unsuccesful in that no profile was obtained.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a male was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A/2007 CRL 1a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a female was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A/2007 CRL 4a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a male was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A12007 CRL 9a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case. Furthermore, it did not match the profile obtained from the swab, 286A/2007 CRL 1a & b.

Mixed LCN DNA results which appeared to have originated from at least two people were obtained from cellular material recovered from the swabs (286A/2007 CRL 2a & b, 5a 7 b, 7a & b, 10a & b and 12a & b).in my opinion there is not evidence to support the view that any of the McCann family contributed DNA to this result.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

limnam wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's my theme i can't read a lot of your posts.

You're not alone. The same exact text has been posted 3 times at this stage afaik. Perhaps it's spam but really I've no idea what it's about either ...

dark crystal wrote: »

It's stuff like this that takes it from a debate on facts, to conspiracy theory nonsense.


It's quite clear they had no connection to Freud before or during the disappearance. They knew nothing of his past until after his death. Any other suggestion is veering head first into the realms of fantasy. Freud was in the UK when Madeline disappeared, so no need to trot out falsehoods masquerading as musings regarding that particular 'theory'.

What theory do you think you've just debunked?


Can we not mention an odd behavior without trying to accuse someone of murder?


Regardless if they knew him before or not I find it odd that he invited them to dinner, that doesn't mean he killed Madeleine, it just means I find it odd.

Deleted User wrote: »

https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2018/02/maddie-did-the-bbc-bend-the-truth/


Perhaps most frustrating, the Martin Smith sighting never been taken seriously. The fact he still thinks it was Gerry. And BBC even changed that fact to fit Scotland Yards agenda.

Martin is an important witness as he has nothing at all to gain. He thinks he saw Maddie. He thinks it was Gerry. And the timeline fits.

Maddening how it's just brushed aside in favour of looking into some suspicious charity workers or burglar's.

Actually, the timeline doesn't work out at all in the Smith sighting and has been thoroughly debunked. That pesky timeline just keeps rearing it's ugly head, doesn't it?! Look at what was happening at the resort at 10pm (the same time Martin Smith claimed to have seen Gerry).



Night all