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ELP · 17-11-2018 08:24PM

In the sales today alot of very poor dairy bred cattle. Bought 3 heifers
336kg lm £465
318kg lm £535
368kg ch £685

Cavanjack · 17-11-2018 09:17PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

The problem down here in the marts with regards beef cattle is that lads around the rings can't get cattle killed and are choked. There is beef passing through the rings for Jack sh1t.
A couple of the factories aren't even quoting for cows. One outfit is back to 270 and 280 /kg

So much for the government's food wise 2025 ambitions when factories can't cope with what they have.

Say my name · 17-11-2018 09:24PM

Just a general comment.

I've a neighbour buying suckler bred weanlings in the marts. The complaint he has is that suckler farmers this year are not dehorning their stock.

Lady Haywire · 17-11-2018 09:50PM

Say my name wrote: »

Just a general comment.

I've a neighbour buying suckler bred weanlings in the marts. The complaint he has is that suckler farmers this year are not dehorning their stock.

There was a general consensus around here during the heatwave that the cons outweighed the pros of doing them. Other areas must have been of the same opinion!

Muckit · 17-11-2018 09:55PM

Say my name wrote: »

Just a general comment.

I've a neighbour buying suckler bred weanlings in the marts. The complaint he has is that suckler farmers this year are not dehorning their stock.

Was he complaining about the extra bang he's getting for his buck?

High bike · 17-11-2018 10:00PM

Say my name wrote: »

Just a general comment.

I've a neighbour buying suckler bred weanlings in the marts. The complaint he has is that suckler farmers this year are not dehorning their stock.

fear of his hole ,he can well afford to dehorn them at the knockdown prices in the marts

Say my name · 17-11-2018 10:08PM

Lady Haywire wrote: »

There was a general consensus around here during the heatwave that the cons outweighed the pros of doing them. Other areas must have been of the same opinion!

Must have been.

It's easy enough dehorn a calf though. Even a suckler calf.

If that was a few years ago those cattle wouldn't be allowed in the Mart.
Standards are slipping folks!!

Mac Taylor · 17-11-2018 10:18PM

Say my name wrote: »

Must have been.

It's easy enough dehorn a calf though. Even a suckler calf.

If that was a few years ago those cattle wouldn't be allowed in the Mart.
Standards are slipping folks!!

Not the only thing slipping, I’d wash and blow dry them if I got paid for it. I dehorn and wean before selling.....:: but I’m just wasting my time.

Say my name · 17-11-2018 10:22PM

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Not the only thing slipping, I’d wash and blow dry them if I got paid for it. I dehorn and wean before selling.....:: but I’m just wasting my time.

That's the spirit.

orm0nd · 18-11-2018 12:21AM

was watching a bit of Tullow weanling sale on line earlier,

fellows selling AAx heifers or Fr bulls won't have much tax problems this year,

Willfarman · 18-11-2018 09:21AM

High bike wrote: »

fear of his hole ,he can well afford to dehorn them at the knockdown prices in the marts

Yes the buyers are absaloutly coining it..

bosallagh88 · 18-11-2018 10:03AM

ELP wrote: »

In the sales today alot of very poor dairy bred cattle. Bought 3 heifers
336kg lm £465
318kg lm £535
368kg ch £685

These sound cheap ELP what sort of ages were they? Called into mart yesterday myself a lot of good store heifers not making £2 per kilo

jd06 · 18-11-2018 11:02AM

orm0nd wrote:

was watching a bit of Tullow weanling sale on line earlier,

Hi how do u watch the mart on line, do you need an app

jaymla627 · 18-11-2018 11:30AM

Neighbor bought 10 18 month Hereford bulls 365kgs average, good storey type cattle for 510 euro at tullamore last week, plainer cattle are a dire trade, it’s hard to see any demand for bucket calves in the spring bar shipping, I think a lot of lads will of had their fill of it after this year

Bass Reeves · 18-11-2018 11:46AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Neighbor bought 10 18 month Hereford bulls 365kgs average, good storey type cattle for 510 euro at tullamore last week, plainer cattle are a dire trade, it’s hard to see any demand for bucket calves in the spring bar shipping, I think a lot of lads will of had their fill of it after this year

Fellas complaining about the price of weanling should look at the price of stores. Light Stores are way better value than any bull weanling or even heifer weanling especially if not weaned or dehorned. Young fella bought 330/340 kg AA stores for 475 euro last September, you will get any amount of good friesians 380-430kgs for a hundred euro with there weight. These type of cattle will be on the hook next year at 1200 euro plus with a very low loss risk.

Any lad thinking that weanlings are value should look around

cute geoge · 18-11-2018 11:51AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Neighbor bought 10 18 month Hereford bulls 365kgs average, good storey type cattle for 510 euro at tullamore last week, plainer cattle are a dire trade, it’s hard to see any demand for bucket calves in the spring bar shipping, I think a lot of lads will of had their fill of it after this year

18 month old bulls weighing 365 kg would only be considered dregs of cattle .I saw british fr bullock same age weighing 630 kg make €1050 last week !!!!

patsy_mccabe · 18-11-2018 12:35PM

Once they are not stunted they should thrive fine. In the old days we used to buy 18 month old fr stores. At that time 400kg would be the norm. We'd kill them a year later at 700kg. Over 90% would grade R too.

jaymla627 · 18-11-2018 12:35PM

cute geoge wrote: »

18 month old bulls weighing 365 kg would only be considered dregs of cattle .I saw british fr bullock same age weighing 630 kg make €1050 last week !!!!

They where hungry cattle, with good frames, a good do over winter and you’d have them easily finished of grass by June/July, always a good twist to be got out of lads like the above once the price is right....

orm0nd · 18-11-2018 01:32PM

jd06 wrote: »

Hi how do u watch the mart on line, do you need an app

https://www.farmersforum.ie/live-marts/

moll3 · 18-11-2018 03:34PM

orm0nd wrote: »

https://www.farmersforum.ie/live-marts/

great job when at home with kids

Mac Taylor · 18-11-2018 04:58PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Fellas complaining about the price of weanling should look at the price of stores. Light Stores are way better value than any bull weanling or even heifer weanling especially if not weaned or dehorned. Young fella bought 330/340 kg AA stores for 475 euro last September, you will get any amount of good friesians 380-430kgs for a hundred euro with there weight. These type of cattle will be on the hook next year at 1200 euro plus with a very low loss risk.

Any lad thinking that weanlings are value should look around

Not making a case for whose doing the worst, but wouldn’t it be nice if there was a bit of meat on the bone for all us (excuse the pun) rather than the big retailers and factories taking the bulk and leaving the scraps for everyone else.

Suckler farming as we know it has to change, what the change is I don’t know.

Bass Reeves · 18-11-2018 05:41PM

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Not making a case for whose doing the worst, but wouldn’t it be nice if there was a bit of meat on the bone for all us (excuse the pun) rather than the big retailers and factories taking the bulk and leaving the scraps for everyone else.

Suckler farming as we know it has to change, what the change is I don’t know.

What is a fair price. I am not happy with present prices either but have to work on with them. However what is a fair price 4/Kg?, 4.30/?, maybe 4.6/kg. The first price is about the average base when stock is in shortish supply, the second is slightly above the yearly peak Irish price it is also above the highest EU price. The last price 4.6/kg is still below a break even price for sucklers bred stock if killed sub 380kgs.

ELP · 18-11-2018 06:16PM

bosallagh88 wrote: »

These sound cheap ELP what sort of ages were they? Called into mart yesterday myself a lot of good store heifers not making £2 per kilo

First Lm was 7/17 so hope it will do OK off grass next year at that money.
Other two are 3/18 so just off cow.
First pic is ch
Second is older lm
Third is ch and lm from this year

whelan2 · 18-11-2018 07:18PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Neighbor bought 10 18 month Hereford bulls 365kgs average, good storey type cattle for 510 euro at tullamore last week, plainer cattle are a dire trade, it’s hard to see any demand for bucket calves in the spring bar shipping, I think a lot of lads will of had their fill of it after this year

The last day I had calves in the mart I got 195 for 2 week old Angus heifer calves. Would have taken half that at home tbh.

Mac Taylor · 18-11-2018 08:05PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

What is a fair price. I am not happy with present prices either but have to work on with them. However what is a fair price 4/Kg?, 4.30/?, maybe 4.6/kg. The first price is about the average base when stock is in shortish supply, the second is slightly above the yearly peak Irish price it is also above the highest EU price. The last price 4.6/kg is still below a break even price for sucklers bred stock if killed sub 380kgs.

Bass you hit the nail on the head even at the top price suckler breed stock are only break even, going forward sucklers will be a niche product, we’re producing product that cannot pay for itself, if this was a commercial business we would be bust, the part time nature of those working with sucklers (not everyone) and the few handouts are currently keeping things ticking over. I currently know of 3 well run non dairy farms that have been offered to sons (no daughters) who have said thanks but no thanks, the parents have been told to sell it up and enjoy themselves.:)

kk.man · 18-11-2018 08:55PM

cute geoge wrote: »

18 month old bulls weighing 365 kg would only be considered dregs of cattle .I saw british fr bullock same age weighing 630 kg make €1050 last week !!!!

That 630kg animal was a Rob. I killed fr bullocks last week 310kgs dw avg 1050. I recon they were not more than 550 lw but they were on meal for a while.

cute geoge · 18-11-2018 09:06PM

kk.man wrote: »

That 630kg animal was a Rob. I killed fr bullocks last week 310kgs dw avg 1050. I recon they were not more than 550 lw but they were on meal for a while.

These were on meal since august i reckon so probably k/o over 300 so same money as your own ,how do say they were rob still.

Willfarman · 18-11-2018 09:06PM

A couple of weeks back in the mart a dealer bought 5 very good growthy square friesian bullocks bar one middle of the road on bunch. Possibly some beef in their breeding to look at. 480kg @ €640.
And 4 good r+ grade very nice hairy growthy limo bullocks 440kg (weighing bad for size admittedly) €1050. His opinion. Both groups of bullocks were on the button to leave a margin but the margin will be close to the same. I wouldn’t be as much of an optimist as bass by nature and my guess would only have these friesian netting in the region €1200 next summer. The limos @ €1600.

Who can keep a cow just to produce a calf for €400. It defies logic. Unless the future is a extensive low input systems with good payments linked to the environment it is only ever going to benefit the Goodman family in its current guise.

kk.man · 18-11-2018 09:35PM

cute geoge wrote: »

These were on meal since august i reckon so probably k/o over 300 so same money as your own ,how do say they were rob still.

A bullock at 630kgs should n o t take long to get into a fat score 3 with meal and good silage. He then could come into 350kgs dw and say 3.65 on the grid would equate to 1230 after stoppages.

Willfarman · 18-11-2018 09:49PM

kk.man wrote: »

A bullock at 630kgs should n o t take long to get into a fat score 3 with meal and good silage. He then could come into 350kgs dw and say 3.65 on the grid would equate to 1230 after stoppages.

You’d have to budget 70 days at 3€ a day. 200€ plus mart expenses. Unless Larry gave you a price rise you wouldn’t put a packet of peanuts beside a January pint off the back of your labor.

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