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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1052
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought this was odd, given the officers were acquited. How was he guilty for covering up something that didn't happen?

    5 were charged, 3 acquitted and two convicted, one of whom was Amaral. If you saw the photos of Lenore, you have to wonder at the burden of proof required in Portugal to find a police officer guilty of assault. Amazing the damage you can get from tripping and falling down the stairs and how many parts of the body - not just the face - can end up looking like that. Didn't happen? Right! That's why the documents were forged and the perjury required... jingle, bells, jingle....


  • #1053
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    It doesn’t matter how many times the myths surrounding this case are shown to be just that, myths, people persistently repeat them even all these long years later.
    That’s the really unique thing about opinion on the disappeance of Xmas McCann. The armchair Columbos who decided that it was the parents wot did it based on half rumors that were spotted by Sky and the red tops at the time, cling to the now disproven rubbish like limpets to a rock.
    Because... well it’s not as if I could have been wrong all along.


  • #1054
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Jill Rennick, Rang the media not McCanns.
    And she didn't ring sky news.
    First Sky News report 4th may 7.48am
    ...
    your link about about Clement Freud.
    Nobody knew he was a Paedo until after his death.
    Clement Freud was a regular in the Plough & Harrow, as the locals called it The Plough and The Paedos

    The very first newspaper to break the story was in the Telegraph which reported that a child was missing was published at 12:01am BST*. This same article was written less than two hours after the reported time of 10 pm (alleged time of abduction) on the 3rd May. (* Portugal and United Kingdom share the same time.)
    Three year-old feared abducted in Portugal

    By staff and agencies
    Last Updated: 12:01am BST 04/05/2007

    A three-year-old British girl has gone missing while on a family holiday in Portugal, the Foreign Office said today.

    Portuguese police are investigating the disappearance from a holiday complex in Praia da Luz in the western Algarve.

    A Foreign Office spokesman said that he understood the girl's parents had gone to have dinner once their children were asleep last night, but returned to check on them only to find the girl had gone missing.

    It was reported that Gerry directed this call to the media. Btw I menioned nothing about Sky News. However again it has been stated that it was Gerry who rang Alister Clark. And who in turn contacted Sky and other contacts regarding the story.

    As for Clement Freud - afaik there were well known and active rumours for years as to his activties. To whether they had any idea or not is irrelevant. That the McCanns just happened to end up in the company of this individual is detailed as a direct response to those who would point the finger at historic Portuguese paedophile activity in an orphanage as a means of smearing the mccann investigation.


  • #1055
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    huh what leaks was he responsible for?


    Smeared them?


    Didn't they lose thier court case against him?


    How did he smear them?

    You must be new to this or have a poor memory. Read that link I posted. The police investigation leaked like a sieve. Almost daily there were lurid reports in a Portuguese rag called 24Horas - They would get all the accusatory leaks like bodily fluids being found in the car, questions Kate refused to answer, the contents of Kate's diary, and so on and so on, and then the Daily Mail, et al, would trumpet the same stuff to the world in English.

    2Horas would pump out garbage like this:

    24horasgerrydad.jpg

    Is Gerry the biological father of Madeline...
    Maddie: Agony of cop 'leak'

    MADELEINE McCann’s parents faced fresh heartache last night after a police report into her disappearance was leaked on the internet.
    By Jerry Lawton / Published 23rd July 2008

    MISSING: Madeleine McCann MISSING: Madeleine McCann
    A 57-page document appeared on a website only 24 hours after Kate and Gerry McCann, both 40, were officially cleared by Portugal’s Attorney General.

    The report, a summary of the case file handed to prosecutors, details the numerous leads Portuguese detectives pursued after three-year-old Maddie’s disappearance on May 3, 2007.

    ...

    Last night their spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the Daily Star the leak appeared to be another bid to smear the entirely innocent couple.

    He said: “This just shows you what we are up against. Yet another anonymous leak from Portugal. Would that ­happen in Britain? No!

    “You have to ask yourself why such leaks happen and why they are characteristic of the Portuguese end of this inquiry.’’
    Portuguese police leaks are 'shameless smears' to discredit us, say McCanns

    By VANESSA ALLEN

    Last updated at 12:00 12 April 2008

    Kate and Gerry McCann yesterday accused Portuguese police of using 'shameless smears' against them.

    They demanded a judicial inquiry and called on Portugal's justice minister to hunt down the source who leaked their official police statements to the media.

    MADELEINE McCann’s parents faced fresh heartache last night after a police report into her disappearance was leaked on the internet.

    The Policia Judicera told Portuguese reporters the McCaanns and their friends were swingers and that the party was there for swapping.

    They initially won their court case against Amaral but lost the appeal.


  • #1056
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    splinter65 wrote: »
    It doesn’t matter how many times the myths surrounding this case are shown to be just that, myths, people persistently repeat them even all these long years later.That’s the really unique thing about opinion on the disappeance of Xmas McCann. The armchair Columbos who decided that it was the parents wot did it based on half rumors that were spotted by Sky and the red tops at the time, cling to the now disproven rubbish like limpets to a rock. Because... well it’s not as if I could have been wrong all along.

    The issue with that type of overblown hyperbole is that there I see little or no inthread evidence of any "armchair Columbos who decided that it was the parents wot did it"(sic) in this thread.

    What has been discussed is the issues of the many inconsistencies and the lack of cooperation from the relevant individuals with the investigation. Unfortunately this brings out the screamers in droves to try and drown out any real discussion.

    But hey I know that wont let the truth actually stop those deniers from making up their own version of reality as they go along ...

    Btw who the fraft is "Xmas McCann" :confused:


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  • #1057
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    cnocbui wrote: »
    You must be new to this or have a poor memory. Read that link I posted. The police investigation leaked like a sieve. Almost daily there were lurid reports in a Portuguese rag called 24Horas ...l.

    The link you posted is the worst type of British xenophobic rubbish and I would warrant even worse than that which do you detailed of the equivilant gutter Portuguese press.

    Heres some of the wonderful 'lurid extracts of that piece of tabloid toilet reporting

    Reporter decides unilaterally that the child was 'snatched' despite no evidence of this whatsover
    the story of the girl snatched from her bed on holiday while her parents ate with friends 200 yards away.


    Xenophobic drivel
    The sight of the sweaty, corpulent Amaral in restaurants and cafes near the Portimao police headquarters had become commonplace since Madeleine disappeared

    Buckets of tears and handwringing
    While the shift in the investigation may ease the intolerable pressure on the McCanns, it will do little to console them.

    Summary: Complete utter gutter bull**** ...


  • #1058
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    The very first newspaper to break the story was in the Telegraph which reported that a child was missing was published at 12:01am BST*. This same article was written less than two hours after the reported time of 10 pm (alleged time of abduction) on the 3rd May. (* Portugal and United Kingdom share the same time.)


    Have you got a direct link to the telegraph Newspaper that states that.


    A made up photo from a blog will not do.

    _______________________________________________________


    It was reported that Gerry directed this call to the media. Btw I menioned nothing about Sky News. However again it has been stated that it was Gerry who rang Alister Clark. And who in turn contacted Sky and other contacts regarding the story.


    I never said you mentioned anything about Sky News.
    You said:
    The case had not even left the ground on the night when the parents started contacting the media and oddly involving public relation professionals.




    I put in the sky news link to prove first news reports was 7.48am.


    As for calling Alister Clark, he was a friend Gerry McCann.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #1059
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    As for calling Alister Clark, he was a friend Gerry McCann.

    And?

    Could you sort out your quotes. I've no idea whether you're quoting or asking something

    Thanks


  • #1060
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    And?


    :rolleyes:

    Phone a friend

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #1061
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    This nonsense that 'there is no evidence that the child was snatched"....

    What evidence would you expect?

    Culprit enters open bedroom. Culprit picks up sleeping child. Culprit carries sleeping child away - places child in car and drives off.

    Do you expect a trail of crumbs?


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  • #1062
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    This nonsense that 'there is no evidence that the child was snatched"....
    What evidence would you expect?
    Culprit enters open bedroom. Culprit picks up sleeping child. Culprit carries sleeping child away - places child in car and drives off.
    Do you expect a trail of crumbs?

    What bit of that being absolute gutter press do you not understand? What happened to the various other theories which were being investigated? Or is that piece of gutter journalism the only version to follow?

    :rolleyes:


  • #1063
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    he very first newspaper to break the story was in the Telegraph which reported that a child was missing was published at 12:01am BST*. This same article was written less than two hours after the reported time of 10 pm (alleged time of abduction) on the 3rd May. (* Portugal and United Kingdom share the same time.)


    Have you got a direct link to the telegraph Newspaper that states that..


    A made up photo from a blog will not do.

    gozunda wrote: »
    It was reported that Gerry directed this call to the media. Btw I menioned nothing about Sky News. However again it has been stated that it was Gerry who rang Alister Clark. And who in turn contacted Sky and other contacts regarding the story.



    I never said you mentioned anything about Sky News.

    Alistair Clark is not the media, he is a friend of gerry McCann from his University days
    gozunda wrote: »
    The case had not even left the ground on the night when the parents started contacting the media and oddly involving public relation professionals.


    I put in the sky news link to prove first news reports was 7.48am.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #1064
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    gozunda wrote: »
    Whst bit of that being absolute gutter press do you not understand? What happened to the various other theories which were being investigated? Or is that piece of gutter journalism the only version to follow?

    :rolleyes:

    Huh?


  • #1065
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    The very first newspaper to break the story was in the Telegraph which reported that a child was missing was published at 12:01am BST*.



    This same article was written less than two hours after the reported time of 10 pm (alleged time of abduction) on the 3rd May. (* Portugal and United Kingdom share the same time.


    So The Telegraph broke the story 7 hours 48 Minutes before Sky News.


    Sky News must not read "The Telegraph"

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  • #1066
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Have you got a direct link to the telegraph Newspaper that states that. A made up photo from a blog will not do.I never said you mentioned anything about Sky News. Alistair Clark is not the media, he is a friend of gerry McCann from his University days. I put in the sky news link to prove first news reports was 7.48am

    You only had to fix the quotes you know. The colour shouty typesetting doesn't appear to work on android... :rolleyes:
    What blog? What are you on about now?
    Link
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html*
    So why the frack are you withering on about Sky News again!! And neither did I say Alister Clark was the media fsr. I never mentioned Sky in the first instance - you did!!!! You want to talk about Sky - No problem => Sky Forum that away ...

    * there appears to be a minor variation in text from the text copy of the original article.


  • #1067
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The parents did it
    cnocbui wrote: »
    5 were charged, 3 acquitted and two convicted, one of whom was Amaral. If you saw the photos of Lenore, you have to wonder at the burden of proof required in Portugal to find a police officer guilty of assault. Amazing the damage you can get from tripping and falling down the stairs and how many parts of the body - not just the face - can end up looking like that. Didn't happen? Right! That's why the documents were forged and the perjury required... jingle, bells, jingle....

    To be fair, if you fall down stairs you do not only hit your face.


  • #1068
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    This nonsense that 'there is no evidence that the child was snatched"....

    What evidence would you expect?

    Culprit enters open bedroom. Culprit picks up sleeping child. Culprit carries sleeping child away - places child in car and drives off.

    Do you expect a trail of crumbs?

    According to the McCanns and their friends, they were frequently checking on the kids. It's also a busy tourist resort. I can't imagine it would have been simple to just walk in unnoticed and pick up a sleeping child. Surely there would be a huge risk of been seen or caught inside the apartment?

    Also, there is a good chance that a 3 year old child will cry and kick up a fuss if picked up by a stranger... She was crying the night before. That would potentially alert attention.

    You wouldn't just leave a car outside. Again, it would easily be noticed if a car was just parked up outside for a few mins or lurking close by.

    The window that was opened that only opens on the inside. Kate's DNA was found on it. No fingerprints, no footprints, no sign of a struggle anywhere in the apartment.


    If she really was abducted, the abductor would have had to have walked in unnoticed at exactly the right time between checks, picked up the child without causing a disturbance to any of the children, escaped unnoticed with the child without leaving a footprint, fingerprint or DNA anywhere. Then disappeared without a trace.

    I'm not saying that there is absolutely no chance that it happened... It just seems unlikely to me.


  • #1069
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    They initially won their court case against Amaral but lost the appeal.


    As I said, he won his court case against them


  • #1070
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Deleted User wrote: »
    To be fair, if you fall down stairs you do not only hit your face.

    Did you know, that in Portugal, you would qualify to be a judge. :rolleyes:


  • #1071
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    You only had to fix the quotes you know. The colour shouty typesetting doesn't appear to work on android... :rolleyes:
    What blog? What are you on about now?
    Link
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html*
    So why the frack are you withering on about Sky News again!! And neither did I say Alister Clark was the media fsr. I never mentioned Sky in the first instance - you did!!!! You want to talk about Sky - No problem => Sky Forum that away ...

    *:pac: there appears to be a minor variation in text from the text copy of the original article.




    Fake link/ Web Page :P https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html

    Please link an offical link from https://www.telegraph.co.uk/

    Dodge all you want.
    gozunda
    The very first newspaper to break the story was in the Telegraph which reported that a child was missing was published at 12:01am BST*. This same article was written less than two hours after the reported time of 10 pm (alleged time of abduction) on the 3rd May.

    Breaking news on British media was 7.48am 4th may.

    Again you brought up Alister Clarke.

    I pointed out that he was a friend of Gerald McCann from Uni.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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  • #1072
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    You want to talk about Sky - No problem => Sky Forum that away ...
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    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #1073
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Fake link/ Web Page https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html
    Please link an offical link from https://www.telegraph.co.uk/.

    You've cleary been busted so can stop spouting the rubbish now lol.

    Breaking news was at 12.01 am bst on the 4th May 2007 as detailed by that article.

    The full link is of that verified article as given is

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html

    But you already know that ...

    Here it is it as an url again

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html

    To verify go check the link itself. Check out the homepage all the like and knock yourself out.


  • #1074
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/4203859/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html

    To verify go the link itself. Check out the homepage all the like and knock yourself out.




    Checked by Link Checker and Validator.


    Fake as a Wooden leg :p

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #1075
    robwen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭robwen


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    As I said, he won his court case against them

    Isn't this still ongoing the McCanns lodged an appeal at the European Court of Human Rights, trying to overturn the decision by Portugal's Supreme Court or has this been heard already?


  • #1076
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Checked by Link Checker and Validator. *Fake as a Wooden leg

    That would be your wooden leg then lol.
    You better tell the telegraph newspaper that their secure website @ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ has been hacked by person or persons unknown.

    You lot really are something else...

    You do know that link checker and validator- check that a websites links etc work are used by website developers to check that their websites are working correctly yeah?

    You know what https is?

    No? well get someone to explain it to you ... ;)


  • #1077
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    robwen wrote: »
    Isn't this still ongoing the McCanns lodged an appeal at the European Court of Human Rights, trying to overturn the decision by Portugal's Supreme Court or has this been heard already?

    Perhaps, I don't know. But if they do appeal they must have lots of money in the Fund to do so. But maybe it is free having exhausted all other avenues. And ECHR will hear it pro bono.

    Up to them to keep the flag flying for their daughter I suppose. As long as it is not taxpayer money. But it was initially funds from the public that fattened the fund wasn't it?

    I heard recently that another 1000s of £s are being allocated to find Madeleine. Is that true, and by the UK police. I dunno.


  • #1078
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    gozunda wrote: »
    That would be your wooden leg then lol.
    You better tell the telegraph newspaper that their secure website @ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ has been hacked by person or persons unknown.



    You do know that link checker and validator- check that a websites links etc work are used by website developers to check their websites and are working correctly yeah ?


    You know what https is?

    No? well get someone to expkain it to you ...

    You lot really are something else...

    It's a page set up to look like the paper, Telegraph wasn't hacked

    YEAH


    It's still fake :p

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  • #1079
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The parents did it
    cnocbui wrote: »
    Did you know, that in Portugal, you would qualify to be a judge. :rolleyes:

    On a scales of one to ten, how xenophobic would you think yourself? Based on your posting here it looks doubled digit.


  • #1080
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Perhaps, I don't know. But if they do appeal they must have lots of money in the Fund to do so. But maybe it is free having exhausted all other avenues. And ECHR will hear it pro bono.

    Up to them to keep the flag flying for their daughter I suppose. As long as it is not taxpayer money. But it was initially funds from the public that fattened the fund wasn't it?

    I heard recently that another 1000s of £s are being allocated to find Madeleine. Is that true, and by the UK police. I dunno.

    The investigation was just given an additional £150,000. Tbh I can't see that going too far. Afaik to date the UK based investigation has recieved a total of £11.75m ...

    See: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46196238


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  • #1081
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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    gozunda wrote: »
    The investigation was just given an additional £150,000. Tbh I can't see that going too far. Afaik to date the UK based investigation has recieved a total of £11.75m ...

    See: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46196238

    For some reason, Scotland Yard have always gone out of their way to emphasize that they are only investigating from an abduction or burglary gone wrong perspective. They are not even considering the McCanns.

    They've never actually stated why it is that they won't consider it.

    But they've spent millions and millions and all they really came up with is a few e fits of suspicious charity workers....

    Time to call it a day.


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