Madeleine McCann

splinter65 wrote: »

What “puzzles” you Steve F? You’re clearly someone who has experienced a traumatic incident similar to the disappeance of M McCann or your a qualified clinical expert of some kind into human reactions, so tell us what you find puzzling as compared to another similar case that you can quote, or maybe your own experience...

The sudden head movement and closed eyes puzzles me splinter65 I can make it no clearer ,sorry

Steve F wrote: »

The sudden head movement and closed eyes puzzles me splinter65 I can make it no clearer ,sorry

I'm not great at analysing these type of videos myself tbh but afaik it's normal for people to make decisions about others in a fairly short period of time. Much of human interaction and the reading of body language is intuitive afaik

Body language anslysis is used by many police forces around the world during questioning etc. I wouldn't mind seeing a professional analyse that clip and some of the others which were broadcast at the time.

Steve F wrote: »

The sudden head movement and closed eyes puzzles me splinter65 I can make it no clearer ,sorry

So you never make any involuntary head movements at all when your under pressure. Unimaginable, horrific pressure?

Forensic Test Results

Samples collected in the living room of the apartment 5A, block A, Ocean Club, tourist resort - Praia da Luz, Lagos, on August 1st, 2007, following the examination carried out by a British specialist dog team. Delivery note no. 286/2007 - CR/L):

Objects attributed to the Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club


86/2007-CRL (1) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 1
A DNA result by LCN, that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex for a meaningful interpretation, was obtained from the cellular material collected from these floor tiles.

286/2007-CRL (2) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 2
An inconclusive, incomplete DNA result, consisting of only some unconfirmed DNA components, was obtained from the cellular material recovered from the edges of floor-tile 2 from the apartment floor. The attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from the larger area of floor-tile 2 was unfruitful, given that it was not possible to obtain any DNA profile. These samples were then subjected to LCN analysis.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material in an area of floor-tile 2. In my opinion, there is not any positive proof that supports the theory of any of the members of the McCann family to have contributed DNA to this result. A DNA result was obtained through LCN consistent with only one DNA component from a second area of floor-tile 2. In my opinion, this component leaves no room for any other interpretation.

286/2007-CRL (3) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 3
The attempts to a DNA profile from any cellular material in two areas of this floor-tile were unfruitful, given that no DNA profile was obtained. These samples were submitted for LCN analysis.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 10

A DNA result that consisted of only some DNA components was obtained through LCN analysis of cellular material recovered from one area of floor-tile 3. In my opinion, this result left no room for any other interpretation. The attempt made the obtain a DNA profile through LCN from a second area of floor-tile 3 was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained.

286/2007-CRL (4) Pieces of floor-tile identified as number 4
Low-level DNA results were obtained through LCN from cellular material present in swabs collected from these floor-tiles. In my opinion, this resuly contained information too meagre [scanty/poor] to permit a meaningful comparison.

286/2007-CRL (5) Pieces of floor-tile identified close to number 1
The attempt to obtain a DNA result through the LCN technique from some cellular material present in swabs collected from the marks [spots] 1, 2 and 3 were unfruitful, given that no DNA profile was obtained.

286/2007-CRL (6) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 1
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from these objects.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 11

286/2007-CRL (7) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 2
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (8) Pieces of skirting board identified as numbers 2 and 3
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (9) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 3
A DNA result that contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in swabs collected from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (10) Pieces of skirting board identified as number 4
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 12

286/2007-CRL (11) Pieces of skirting board identified close to number 1
A DNA result that appeared to be from at least three persons and that was too complex to permit a meaningful interpretation was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered from these objects.

286/2007-CRL (12) Pieces of skirting board identified close to number 4
Low-level DNA results were obtained through LCN from cellular material present in swabs collected from these objects.
In my opinion, there exists no proof that supports the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to these results.

286/2007-CRL (13) Residual/small fragments in the area of the skirting board.
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (14) Dust/small fragments in the area of the floor tiles
This object was not adequate to perform DNA profile tests.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 13

286/2007-CRL (15) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (16) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 1
A DNA profile that did not match any [of the five members] of the McCann family was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area.

286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

286/2007-CRL (18) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 3
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 14

286/2007-CRL (19) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 4
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (20) Fragments of floor tile and grouting
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (21) Fragments of bush/shrubbery
Insofar as it relates to this sample, the examination performed was aimed at the detection of the possible presence of blood, no trace thereof having been found. Particles from the superficial surface layer were recovered and preserved in a way similar to that of hairs and fibres. In my opinion, the capillary roots were not good quality as they were not adequate to perform DNA profile tests.

286/2007-CRL (22, 23 e 24) Oral swabs for elimination
A new deposition to report the examination of these objects will be presented at a future time along with the DNA profiles obtained to date from all the DNA results relating to this case.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 15

286A/2007-CRL 1A & B Swabs collected from the floor of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a male individual but not matching any other profile obtained in this case, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.

286A/2007-CRL 2A & B Swabs collected from the floor of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two people, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 3A& B Swabs collected from the floor of the apartment
An incomplete and weak DNA result comprising only some unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from the cellular material present in the dry swab (3A). The attempt to obtain a result from any cellular material that may have been in the same area and present in the wet swab (3B) was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained. These samples were submitted for LCN tests.

An incomplete DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3A). The low-level DNA result showed very meagre information indicating more than one person. Departing from the principle that all confirmed DNA components within the scope of this result originated from a single source, then these pointed to corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann; however, if the DNA within the scope of this result originated from more than one person then the result could be explained as being DNA originating from [a mixture of DNA from both] Kate Healy and Gerald McCann, for example. DNA profiles established through LCN are extremely sensitive; it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid. nor to determine how or when that DNA was transferred to that area.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 16

A low-level DNA result was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3B).
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 4A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a female individual, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 17

286A/2007-CRL 6A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The DNA results obtained through LCN from cellular material present in these combined swabs contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful comparison.

286A/2007-CRL 7A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 8A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The DNA results obtained through LCN from cellular material present in these combined swabs contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful comparison.

286A/2007-CRL 9A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a male individual, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. Also, this result did not match in any way the profile obtained from swabs 286A/2007 CRL 1A & B.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 18

286A/2007-CRL 10A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

286A/2007-CRL 11A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The attempt to obtain a DNA result through LCN from all and any cellular material recovered from these combined swabs was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286A/2007-CRL 12A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs.
In my opinion, there is no evidence that supports the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 19

286A/2007-CRL 13A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
The attempt to obtain a DNA result through LCN from all and any cellular material recovered from these combined swabs was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286A/2007-CRL 14A & B Swabs collected from the rear of the sofa
Weak and incomplete DNA results consisting only of some unconfirmed DNA components were obtained from the cellular material present in these wet and dry swabs. In my opinion the results are not adequate for comparison purposes. These samples were submitted for LCN analysis.

A mixed, low-level DNA result was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in each of the swabs.
In my opinion, there are no conclusive indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to these results.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 20

286A/2007-CRL 15A & B Swabs collected from the rear of the sofa
A weak and incomplete DNA result showing indications as having come from more than one person was obtained from the cellular material present in dry swab (15A) effected on the rear of the sofa. In my opinion the result is not adequate for comparison purposes. These samples were submitted for LCN analysis.

A DNA result, apparently originating from at least three persons of whom at least two were male and contributed the majority of the DNA, was obtained from the cellular material present in the wet swab (15B) effected on the rear of the sofa.
In my opinion, there are no conclusive indications that justify the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result, comprising only some DNA components, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the dry swab (15A).
In my opinion, there are no conclusive indications that justify the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result.[/QUOTE]



Forensic Evidence from the McCann hire car.

Objects attributed to the motor vehicle Renault 'Scenic' (matricula 59-DA-27)

286C/2007-CRL1 D Nail ([human] hand)
From this fragment of a nail from the finger of a [human] hand, a DNA result was obtained through the LCN technique which corresponded to Gerald McCann. In the same result an additional DNA component, unique and unconfirmed, was found that left no room for any other interpretation.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 7

286C/2007-CRL2E Nail (hand)
From this fragment ... a DNA result was obtained through the LCN technique which corresponded to Kate Healy. In the same DNA result were found two more DNA components, one of which was not confirmed; these DNA components left no room for any other interpretation.

286C/2007-CRL10 Baggage compartment
This object comprised two sections of the baggage compartment of the Renault Scenic, the first being a baggage compartment lined with fabric with ventilation holes (designated in the UK laboratory as CRL/10(1)) and, the second a moulded plastic extension (designated in the laboratory as CRL/10(2)).

A mixed, low-level DNA result, appearing to be from at least three people, was obtained from the cellular material collected (harvested) from the baggage compartment lined with fabric (286C/2007-CRL/10(1)) of the motor vehicle. That sample was submitted to tests to obtain DNA profiles through the LCN technique.

A DNA result through the LCN technique, which appeared to be from at least three persons, was obtained from the cellular material collected (harvested) from the baggage compartment lined with fabric (286C/2007-CRL/10(1)). In my opinion, this result is too complex to make a meaningful interpretation.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 8

The attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material collected from the plastic area on the baggage compartment (286C/2007-CRL /10(2)) was unfruitful [fruitless, in vain, useless, unproductive, unsuccessful], because no DNA profile was obtained.

A mixed, low-level DNA result, that appeared to be from at least two persons, was obtained from a second area of the baggage compartment plastic (286C/2007-CRL /10(2)). This sample was submitted for tests to obtain DNA profiles through LCN.

A DNA result by complex LCN that appeared to be from at least three persons, was obtained from cellular material collected on the section of the baggage compartment 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. In my opinion, that result is too complex for a meaningful interpretation.

An incomplete, low-level DNA profile that matched corresponding components in the profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material present on the card key - (286C/2007-CRL (12)). I guess this is the fob of the car-keys

My colleague, Andrew Palmer, submitted various hair collected from the Renault Scenic for tests, using ... LCN.
Those hairs were designated as 7B hair 1 and 7C hairs 7, 13 e 15. Attempts to obtain a DNA profile of each hair by LCN was unfruitful, because no DNA profile was obtained by LCN, possibly due to there being an insufficient quantity of good quality DNA.

An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from one area of the plastic luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(2))) from the motor vehicle was unsuccessful in that no DNA profiles were obtained.

A low level mixed DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least two people was obtained from a second area of the plastic luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(2))) from the motor vehicle. In my opinion this result is too complex to interpret at this stage.

A low level mixed DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the fibre coated luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(1))) from the motor vehicle. In my opinion this result is too complex to interpret at this stage.

A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card (286C/2007-CRL(12)). This sample has not been sent for further testing using LCN DNA profiling tests.

An attempt to obtain an LCN DNA result from any cellular material on the swab from area one of the luggage compartment section (286C/2007 CRL 10) was unsuccesful in that no profile was obtained.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a male was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A/2007 CRL 1a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a female was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A/2007 CRL 4a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a male was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A12007 CRL 9a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case. Furthermore, it did not match the profile obtained from the swab, 286A/2007 CRL 1a & b.

Mixed LCN DNA results which appeared to have originated from at least two people were obtained from cellular material recovered from the swabs (286A/2007 CRL 2a & b, 5a 7 b, 7a & b, 10a & b and 12a & b). in my opinion there is not evidence to support the view that any of the McCann family contributed DNA to this result.

OUTROS APENSOS I, volume II
Pages 300 to 326
Witness Deposition
(Criminal Procedure Rules, r27.1 (1);
Criminal Justice Act 1967, s.9; Magistrates' Courts Act 1980, s.5B)
Deposition of: JOHN ROBERT LOWE BSc CBiol MlBiol RFP Age: Older than 18
Profession of Witness: Forensic Scientist
Address of Witness:
Forensic Science Service Ltd.,
Birmingham Laboratory, Priory House, Gooch Street North,
Birmingham, B5 6QQ
With respect to:
References FSS: 300 655 190 / 400 947 125
References Client: 07/06085, 201/07.0GALGS
CJS URN:
Conclusion
In my opinion, the laboratory results that were attained did not help to clarify whether or not the DNA results obtained within the scope of this case were from Madeleine McCann.

Steve F wrote: »

Is that what you see?
Genuine question?

Yes. That’s what I see Steve. Lots of people spend a lot of time on a normal day out in the real world making involuntary physical reactions. Crank up the stress and it get worse. Mourners laugh inappropriately at funerals or deathbed scenes. Unwitting witnesses at house fires and car accidents get angry with first responders. You must know this.

Alien abduction is the only logical explanation

Steve F wrote: »

What makes it so noticeable is prior to the 4 second mark and after he is virtually motionless
Watch with the sound off makes it even more puzzling what he is "reacting" too

I don’t think you get it Steve. People are humans not robots. They are not programmed to react a certain way. Everybody is an individual. Forensic investigative police are trained to watch potential suspects at these press conferences . They are trained to spot give away signs of lying and guilt etc.
The forensic investigative police from 2 different police forces including the Met of London will have pored over all this footage for hours.
Do you honestly think they missed something?

Steve F wrote: »

It looks like I am the only one that is seeing something off by the looks of it

2 Different police forces? Were they cleared by the PJ? What is the conclusion of the PJ? Can anyone inform me please?

Bar the one news report detailing some joint UK and Portuguese cooperation early on in the investigation and their use and analysis of body language (detailed previously) - there appears to be little if any official comment released or published online or in the usual repertoire- the Mccann PJ files website

That article indicated that it was issues with observed body language which led to further interviews being undertaken. Though that appears as much detail as there is. Take it as you will.

There are lots of discussion out there on this and other contemporary video clips - with similar comments to your own.

The problem with such analysis is that while it may be telling of someone being evasive or other behaviour- afaik it is generally used to point investigators towards further investigations.

Being a place that depend on tourist for living, the only source of income, It does not surprise me that they would blame the parents,
giving the impression that there are no child snatchers on their patch,
they don't want to lose customers, as these places depend a lot on families, they want to make people think it is a safe place,
But then again, no place is safe

fin12 wrote: »

No your not.

cnocbui wrote: »

When journalists research the topic of pedophiles in Portugal and can come up with articles like this - it's worth keeping an open mind about what goes down in Portugal sometimes. I don't think Robeiro - who took over from Amaral - was trying to do anything other than uncover the truth. Amaral was trying to fit up the McCanns in the Public eye to suit his one and only thesis. It's largely thanks to his leaks from the investigation that so much public ire aganst the McCanns exists. Why he remained in his job and wasn't fired after being found guilty of perjury and trying to cover up for his officers beating a confession out of Leonor Cipriano, I don't know. The public attention wouldn't let him have a confession beaten out of Kate McCann so he smeared her via the media. A very nasty piece of work.

How very dare you try to slander and defame the sainted DR Goncarlo Amaral!!
An odious piece of work who came a cropper because he was too thick and lazy to realize that he wasn’t going to get his way while the world watched.

cnocbui wrote: »

When journalists research the topic of pedophiles in Portugal and can come up with articles like this - it's worth keeping an open mind about what goes down in Portugal sometimes. I don't think Robeiro - who took over from Amaral - was trying to do anything other than uncover the truth. Amaral was trying to fit up the McCanns in the Public eye to suit his one and only thesis. It's largely thanks to his leaks from the investigation that so much public ire aganst the McCanns exists. Why he remained in his job and wasn't fired after being found guilty of perjury and trying to cover up for his officers beating a confession out of Leonor Cipriano, I don't know. The public attention wouldn't let him have a confession beaten out of Kate McCann so he smeared her via the media. A very nasty piece of work.

I disagree. The family directly approached and made use of mass media from the very start -
even where they were advised not to. The case had not even left the ground on the night when the parents started contacting the media and oddly involving public relation professionals.

The whole thing rapidly descended into a complete farce of their own making and when less than complimentary information was made public by the same media - they didn't like it and started crying how it was all the 'nasty' media's fault. Much of the negartive comments are directly traced back to these shenanigans .

Admissions from some of their friends within the Tapas 9 - that as least one of their members had an alleged / suspected history with children didn't help their case either *. Then the parents subsequently met with and had dinner with of all people - Clement Freud doesn't even deserve comment for it's stupidity.**

Amaral from day one had to deal and unravel the unholy mess created by the refusal and reluctance of the parents and their friends to fully cooperate with the investigation.

That as a superior officer- he was accused of covering up what others had done is on public record. He was certainly had no hand in that beating. Claiming that he wanted a "confession beaten out of Kate McCann" is not only innaccurate but borders on an obvious attempt to smear the investigator because he dared to ask relevant qestions. Questions that were never answer by the relevant people and which ultimately led to the investigations been shut down after the parents fled the country.

In the end Amaral became a scapegoat of the mess created by the mccann led media machine. That they in turn got burned by this was not really surprising. That Amaral stood up to them and won in court is a matter of public record.

* https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/4ududq/the_gaspar_statements_madeleine_mccann/

**
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/clement-freud-national-treasure-just-a-minute-paedophile-mp-a7083976.html

cnocbui wrote: »

When journalists research the topic of pedophiles in Portugal and can come up with articles like this - it's worth keeping an open mind about what goes down in Portugal sometimes. I don't think Robeiro - who took over from Amaral - was trying to do anything other than uncover the truth. Amaral was trying to fit up the McCanns in the Public eye to suit his one and only thesis. It's largely thanks to his leaks from the investigation that so much public ire aganst the McCanns exists. Why he remained in his job and wasn't fired after being found guilty of perjury and trying to cover up for his officers beating a confession out of Leonor Cipriano, I don't know. The public attention wouldn't let him have a confession beaten out of Kate McCann so he smeared her via the media. A very nasty piece of work.

huh what leaks was he responsible for?


Smeared them?


Didn't they lose thier court case against him?


How did he smear them?

gozunda wrote: »

I disagree. The family directly approached and made use of mass media from the very start -
even where they were advised not to. The case had not even left the ground on the night when the parents started contacting the media and oddly involving public relation professionals.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/clement-freud-national-treasure-just-a-minute-paedophile-mp-a7083976.html

Jill Rennick, Rang the media not McCanns.


And she didn't ring sky news.


______________________________

gozunda wrote: »

The case had not even left the ground on the night when the parents started contacting the media and oddly involving public relation professionals.

First Sky News report 4th may 7.48am








your link about about Clement Freud.
Nobody knew he was a Paedo until after his death.

Clement Freud was a regular in the Plough & Harrow, as the locals called it The Plough and The Paedos