Gardai target organised begging in Dublin

seamus wrote: »

Tbh, this is not really an effect of EU movement, but of affluence.

Even if we were completely independent border-wise, these people would still arrive here, attracted by our wealth.

It's a balancing act in any case; lock down your borders and the bad people can't get in. But neither can the good people. And without the good people we'd still be that poor sh1tty backwater from the 1970s.

So one has to accept that any measure which allows an economy to grow, always has a negative impact to be accounted for. There isn't a country in the world which has allowed inward migration and kept out the criminals. Even countries with famously strict border controls like the US and Australia, have a problem with immigrant criminality. It's part-and-parcel.

but even with EU free movement is there not a requirement that they are able to support themselves through employment?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

but even with EU free movement is there not a requirement that they are able to support themselves through employment?

There's no border check, so any such requirement is moot. Once a person is in the country, they're in.

The majority of illegal immigrants enter any country through holiday, student or temporary working visas.

It's basically impossible to stop these people even with border checks.

Graces7 wrote: »

I have no money to give; but I would never see anyone go hungry.

You're deluding yourself if you think there's anyone in this country that can't afford to feed themselves on €200 a week. There are no genuine beggars here.

markodaly wrote: »

Yeap, UAE, Suadi Arabia and Qatar have a massive Roma problem on their hands as well.

*cough* UAE *cough*

The UAE has problems with Filipino gangs.

In any case, unless you want to go back to "guilty until proven innocent" and totalitarian police states, the middle east is not a model of immigration we want to imitate.

Kilkenny City had a big begging problem back in the 2000s, Roma gangs would drive them down from Dublin for the day.
There would be beggars on High st, on the steps linking to Kieran St, and beggars near the ATM machines, beggars at the car park pay machines, it was getting really bad before it was cleaned up.
It was like overnight they just disappeared.
Kilkenny's two biggest income sources are agriculture and tourism, and no one wants tourists visiting and falling over beggars (bad enough for the locals) as there was like beggars everywhere when it was at its worst.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm not saying stop them. I'm saying deport them when we find them. anybody the gardai arrested will just be released back on the streets to continue doing the same thing. we should be deporting them back where they came from.

I agree completely, and I'm not sure what the formal process is here. I expect there's an issue of identification; how can you send them back home if they won't tell you where "home" is.

And then you have procedural issues around how long you're permitted to hold someone, where you hold them, etc etc.

I know I’ve mentioned here before that I volunteer with a rough sleeper team. The funny thing is, a lot of who we meet wouldn’t actually beg or ‘tap’ as it’s known. Drug addicts refer to ‘tapping’ as going to work and money that is given for a ‘hostel’ never actually goes to the hostel it keeps the drug and drink trade going. You will see people beg at Jervis or Abbey Luas stop then jump the Luas as far as James’ Hospital to buy a fix.

The only real way to stop begging is to make it not worthwhile, no point in the Gardai arresting and charging people if Joe Public still feels the need to put money in a cup or whatever. If you want to feel better and do something give your time to a service or donate clothes or money to one of the various charities. The money you give to the beggar will likely end up in the pocket of somebody like Christy Kinihan

Chinasea wrote: »

Seriously fabricated.

Just a reminder that we had a young Roma girl bundled into a car on Pearse Street by an Irish thug. She was taken up to the Dublin mountains and beaten to death. Her teeth were totally smashed in. One of the investigating Gardai said he never saw anything like the savagery.

Something bad happend to one of them so we have to put up with the rest of them theiving?

Chinasea wrote: »

Seriously fabricated.

Just a reminder that we had a young Roma girl bundled into a car on Pearse Street by an Irish thug. She was taken up to the Dublin mountains and beaten to death. Her teeth were totally smashed in. One of the investigating Gardai said he never saw anything like the savagery.

yes a roma girl was murdered.

however her body was dug up years later. The corpse would have been rotten. I doubt the garda investigating saw any savagery tbh.

but carry on...it makes a good post

AllForIt wrote: »

I'm afraid this is the way it's going or has gone rather. The SJW's now consider every social demographic as a race including the criminal demographics and we will rue the day we didn't stop this nonsense when it started. I personally find this kind of stuff infuriating for it's nastyness towards good ppl, it's stupidity, it's social destructiveness in that the attitude serves to protect undesirables whether this is intention or not, and most of all the reason one is motivated to make such remarks which clearly is virtue signalling. Kitty Holland is off a class of ppl that I utterly despise as much I could despise any other class of criminal.

You are on the money and not a word wrong in that post.

You have to convert that at the ballot box though. Common sense candidates need to emerge to push this shíte back

JustAYoungLad wrote: »

Lol? Roma gypsies from india arent the roman empire

I think you lost track of the thread.