Extension of Abortion Services To Northern Ireland

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 02:20PM #1

Minister for Health Simon Harris wants to extend free abortion services provided in the Republic of Ireland to those living in the north.
At a time of trolley crisis, record waiting lists and pressure throughout the health system is this an altruistic gesture to residents of another jurisdiction or cynical political maneuvering?

RobbieTheRobber · 15-11-2018 02:22PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Minister for Health Simon Harris wants to extend free abortion services provided in the Republic of Ireland to those living in the north.
At a time of trolley crisis, record waiting lists and pressure throughout the health system is this an altruistic gesture to residents of another jurisdiction or cynical political maneuvering?

A majority of those living in the north are or are entitled to become Irish citizens. Should we ignore the needs of our citizens?

gctest50 · 15-11-2018 02:23PM

For decades Irish women had to travel for healthcare

So, fair is fair

( i wonder how long before "it's not healthcare" bots boot up )

biko · 15-11-2018 02:24PM

One step closer to a untied Ireland!

Harry Palmr · 15-11-2018 02:25PM

I think it's perfectly fair and frankly not going to put much extra load on the system as abortion up to 9 weeks will take place in GP practices not hospitals as I understand it

Ronaldinho · 15-11-2018 02:26PM

I don't get why the procedure is to be made free for all. Why not limited to medical card holders, for free?

Humphrey BoaGart · 15-11-2018 02:26PM

gctest50 wrote: »

For decades Irish women had to travel for healthcare

So, fair is fair

( i wonder how long before "it's not healthcare" bots boot up )

Irish women had to pay for it when they went to England though?

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 02:27PM

gctest50 wrote: »

For decades Irish women had to travel for healthcare

So, fair is fair

( i wonder how long before "it's not healthcare" bots boot up )

Irish women had to pay for abortion services in the UK. The proposal here is to offer them for free. Will these apply only to those who hold an Irish passport or also to residents of Northern Ireland who hold only a British passport?

Amirani · 15-11-2018 02:29PM

I'm not sure I agree with the idea of offering free non-reciprocal healthcare to residents of other jurisdictions. Residents of Northern Ireland do not contribute to the exchequer funds that will pay for this. They should be allowed to avail of abortions here, but not for free I think.

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 02:29PM

biko wrote: »

One step closer to a untied Ireland!

“Cherish all the Children of the Nation Equally”

Fulfilling the ideals of the founding fathers.

gctest50 · 15-11-2018 02:29PM

Humphrey BoaGart wrote: »

Irish women had to pay for it when they went to England though?

That's England

Times have moved on

We're in Ireland

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 02:56PM

Is provision of free female only healthcare to Northern Ireland residents discriminatory?
Should northern Irish men suffering from prostate cancer or erectile disfunction receive free health care in the republic?
What about dental care, eye care? Are all these not medical issues also?

suicide_circus · 15-11-2018 02:57PM

The more abortions the better

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 02:58PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Is provision of free female only healthcare to Northern Ireland residents discriminatory?
Should northern Irish men suffering from prostate cancer or erectile disfunction receive free health care in the republic?
What about dental care, eye care? Are all these not medical issues also?

they can get all that in northern ireland. women in northern ireland cannot get abortions.

Harry Palmr · 15-11-2018 02:59PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Is provision of free female only healthcare to Northern Ireland residents discriminatory?
Should northern Irish men suffering from prostate cancer or erectile disfunction receive free health care in the republic?
What about dental care, eye care? Are all these not medical issues also?

I think you'll discover that men with cancer can get treatment for that in Northern Ireland.

What do you think this is all about?

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 03:00PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they can get all that in northern ireland. women in northern ireland cannot get abortions.

Yes they can. They can avail of free abortion under the NHS.

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 03:00PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes they can. They can avail of free abortion under the NHS.

not in northern ireland they cant.

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 03:03PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think you'll discover that men with cancer can get treatment for that in Northern Ireland.

What do you think this is all about?

It’s about a political stunt to extent the provision of only one type of health care.

Do you believe once abortion is legalized in Northern Ireland, it’s residents should no longer be provided with free abortion services in the republic?

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 03:05PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not in northern ireland they cant.

So either way they have to travel. Either to where their taxes pay for the free service or where our taxes pay for the free service.

Would the Irish government not be ether off lobbying for the provision of abortion services in Northern Ireland?

Neyite · 15-11-2018 03:06PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes they can. They can avail of free abortion under the NHS.

If they travel to Great Britain they do. Abortion is banned in NI.

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 03:06PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So either way they have to travel. Either to where their taxes pay for the free service or where our taxes pay for the free service.

Would the Irish government not be ether off lobbying for the provision of abortion services in Northern Ireland?

why cant they do both?

Amirani · 15-11-2018 03:08PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they can get all that in northern ireland. women in northern ireland cannot get abortions.

Should any medical procedures available in Ireland that aren't available in Northern Ireland be offered for free to people living in Northern Ireland and paid for fully by Irish taxpayers?

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 03:10PM

Amirani wrote: »

Should any medical procedures available in Ireland that aren't available in Northern Ireland be offered for free to people living in Northern Ireland and paid for fully by Irish taxpayers?

If the procedure is not carried out in northern ireland for moral reasons then i would say yes.

gctest50 · 15-11-2018 03:11PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s about a political stunt to extent the provision of only one type of health care......

This thread is like an Anti-Choice stunt

As usual haven't a clue :

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they can get all that in northern ireland.
women in northern ireland cannot get abortions.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes they can.

They can avail of free abortion under the NHS.

15-11-2018 03:11PM

Neyite wrote: »

If they travel to Great Britain they do. Abortion is banned in NI.

No they can’t, unless they are resident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27325363

Harry Palmr · 15-11-2018 03:13PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s about a political stunt to extent the provision of only one type of health care.

Do you believe once abortion is legalized in Northern Ireland, it’s residents should no longer be provided with free abortion services in the republic?

Well if that situayyyshun should ever come about I'd look for a reciprocal arrangement so if women find it's socially easier to go further away to have an abortion they can or indeed if it turns out the nearest service is in Northern Ireland for women south of the border (I'd not be shocked if there is a paucity of willing GP's in the border counties area) they can go north.

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 03:14PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why cant they do both?

Because the impetus for providing free, safe and legal abortion to residents in the north is undermined by the provision of this service in the south.

It is exactly the same arguments used by the repeal the 8th movement.

Women from Northern Ireland will still have to travel to a different jurisdiction to access medical care.

The only difference is that it is being used to score political points by a cynical, exploitative minister for health.

Ronaldinho · 15-11-2018 03:16PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Is provision of free female only healthcare to Northern Ireland residents discriminatory?
Should northern Irish men suffering from prostate cancer or erectile disfunction receive free health care in the republic?

It's hardly 'female only', barring an immaculate conception.

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 03:23PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Because the impetus for providing free, safe and legal abortion to residents in the north is undermined by the provision of this service in the south.

Do you think the majority party in the north give a monkeys what we in the south think?

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It is exactly the same arguments used by the repeal the 8th movement.

Women from Northern Ireland will still have to travel to a different jurisdiction to access medical care.

The only difference is that it is being used to score political points by a cynical, exploitative minister for health.

If they have to travel to the UK they have to pay. It is not provided free of charge.

SafeSurfer · 15-11-2018 03:23PM

gctest50 wrote: »

This thread is like an Anti-Choice stunt

As usual haven't a clue :

Women in Northern Ireland can get abortions.

This is correct.

Women cannot get abortions in Northern Ireland.

This is also correct.

If you have any further difficulty in understanding the arguments feel free to seek help.

gctest50 · 15-11-2018 03:24PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Because the impetus for providing free, safe and legal abortion to residents in the north is undermined by the provision of this service in the south.

It is exactly the same arguments used by the repeal the 8th movement.

Women from Northern Ireland will still have to travel to a different jurisdiction to access medical care.

The only difference is that it is being used to score political points by a cynical, exploitative minister for health.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It is exactly the same arguments used by the repeal the 8th movement.

And trying to slip in bull$hit and or lies and hoping no-one notices is exactly the same as
tactics in arguments used by the Anti-Choice organisation

-self same as we all saw in the lead-up to the "8th Referendum"

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they can get all that in northern ireland.
women in northern ireland cannot get abortions.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes they can.

They can avail of free abortion under the NHS.

Extension of Abortion Services To Northern Ireland

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