Ruth Coppinger holds up thong in Dail

The Bishop Basher · 15-11-2018 02:01PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Its not funny

In your opinion

SusieBlue · 15-11-2018 02:01PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

As is attacking the poster not the post but it's been allowed to go on for some.

Report any posts you feel are crossing the line. That has nothing to do with the issue I was talking about, and my point remains.

RiseitekiMind · 15-11-2018 02:01PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It really does show the intellectual level of some. And as for those that thanked it ...

Ohhh watch out lads its the "Thank Police". Orwell warned me of you.

The Bishop Basher · 15-11-2018 02:02PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It really does show the intellectual level of some. And as for those that thanked it ...

When all else fails it always comes back to personal insults..

PlaneSpeeking · 15-11-2018 02:02PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Report any posts you feel are crossing the line. That has nothing to do with the issue I was talking about, and my point remains.

As pointless an excercise as that is, I have.

nullzero · 15-11-2018 02:15PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Its not funny, its just annoying and derails the thread.

I bothered to take the time to reply to a someones post, and instead of replying to the point I made, he took one word out of context to suit his own position and to make a joke.
That's a really immature way to conduct yourself during a debate on a serious issue, and if you can't see anything wrong with that, I can't help you.

Its poor forum etiquette.

Don't talk to me about poor etiquette, the amount of nonsense spouted on this thread about conviction rates and rape not being worthwhile to report etc. The cadre of people spouting it have no problem insulting people and thanking each others posts. Injecting a little levity is not poor etiquette, you need to get over yourself.

retro:electro · 15-11-2018 02:15PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Front of today's Irish Mirror could have been subtitled "These People Will Never Hold A Job".

Weren’t you on here this morning saying you had gotten everything arseways as you’d done “some reading overnight” and changed your mind? I don’t think you know what you’re on about tbh. Women = bad Men = good, seems to be the sum total of most of your comments. And while that may be true sometimes, it’s a philosophy that tends to punctuate most of your arguments on every thread across the site no matter what.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-11-2018 02:18PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Weren’t you on here this morning saying you had gotten everything arseways as you’d done “some reading overnight” and changed your mind? I don’t think you know what you’re on about tbh. Women = bad Men = good, seems to be the sum total of most of your comments. And while that may be true sometimes, it’s a philosophy that tends to punctuate most of your arguments on every thread across the site no matter what.

About this case, yes.

The idiots protesting though are just that, idiots.

And so what if I prefer men to women ? Big deal.

nullzero · 15-11-2018 02:19PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It really does show the intellectual level of some. And as for those that thanked it ...

I've reported this as it's another example of pointed insults being directed from your cadre of like minded posters. It would be nice to see action taken on it.
I wonder if you conduct yourself with such disdain for others in your life away from the Internet?

RWCNT · 15-11-2018 02:23PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

About this case, yes.

The idiots protesting though are just that, idiots.

And so what if I prefer men to women ? Big deal.

Fair play to you for looking into it and changing your mind.

From reading your post this morning you seem to agree that went down here wasn't right, so what's your reason for feeling the protesters are idiots? The slippy slope you were referring to previously about limiting the evidence the defence can provide?

retro:electro · 15-11-2018 02:23PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

About this case, yes.

The idiots protesting though are just that, idiots.

And so what if I prefer men to women ? Big deal.

You can prefer whoever the hell you want, it makes no odds to me.
Most people tend to see situations objectively, but your posts are absolutely littered with bias. And frankly, I find them a little pathetic and sad.

SusieBlue · 15-11-2018 02:23PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Fair play to you for looking into it and changing your mind.

From reading your post this morning you seem to agree that went down here wasn't right, so what's your reason for feeling the protesters are idiots?

I would hazard a guess that it’s because they were mostly women.

retro:electro · 15-11-2018 02:31PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that it’s because they were mostly women.

Prefers men and wants to stick up for men, complains about being personally attacked.

Women out protesting in order to support other women, calls them all jobless idiots.

Makes sense.....

nullzero · 15-11-2018 02:33PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that it’s because they were mostly women.

Could you define poor forum etiquette please?
The reaso being that you have thanked and replied in agreement with a post that openly insulted people and now you're making accusations.
Is etiquette something that should be adhered to by some people and ignored by others (you for example)?

bloodless_coup · 15-11-2018 02:36PM

Boards a bit buggy of late. Lots of duplicate posts and now I see some of my best posts have disappeared.

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 02:37PM

nullzero wrote: »

Could you define poor forum etiquette please?
The reaso being that you have thanked and replied in agreement with a post that openly insulted people and now you're making accusations.
Is etiquette something that should be adhered to by some people and ignored by others (you for example)?

quoting a post and chopping out part of it to change its meaning. That is poor etiquette and also against the rules.

ohnonotgmail · 15-11-2018 02:38PM

doylefe wrote: »

Boards a bit buggy of late. Lots of duplicate posts and now I see some of my best posts have disappeared.

Humanity is much poorer for it i'm sure.

RWCNT · 15-11-2018 02:39PM

doylefe wrote: »

Boards a bit buggy of late. Lots of duplicate posts and now I see some of my best posts have disappeared.

Taking into account the calibre of your contributions to this thread, I really want to see what you consider to be your best posts. Please try to remember and repost.

SusieBlue · 15-11-2018 02:40PM

nullzero wrote: »

Could you define poor forum etiquette please?
The reaso being that you have thanked and replied in agreement with a post that openly insulted people and now you're making accusations.
Is etiquette something that should be adhered to by some people and ignored by others (you for example)?

I didn’t make any accusations, I made a guess based on posts previously made by that person.
Making observations based on posting history isn’t against the rules.

If you have a problem with my ‘etiquette’ please just report the posts, I don’t answer to you and don’t have to explain myself to you, you aren’t some higher authority on the matter.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-11-2018 02:42PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Fair play to you for looking into it and changing your mind.

From reading your post this morning you seem to agree that went down here wasn't right, so what's your reason for feeling the protesters are idiots?

Because they are coming at this from as incorrect a perspective as anyone saying "all women ask for it". They're holding signs up talking about "victim blaming" - the lad was found not guilty, there was no victim in this case. If you make an accusation against someone then absolutely you should be questioned in court.

Worryingly there are some people, groups etc (probably some posters on here) who think we should believe every single woman when she says she has been raped. It's a very sad fact that the way the world is moving on (e.g. with #MeToo and people losing their livelihoods due to allegations made on social media) that there are women who will have a consensual experience and for whatever reason say they were raped. I've seen it happen. It's not common but neither is unheard of.

A lecturer in a previous job I had who looks after sexual health matters once said in her opinion the figures for rapes in England were "over reported" (her words) - and that it was doing great harm to those genuine victims. It has been touched on here about how hard it is to report rape.

Like I said yesterday I know someone who worked with the CPS in the UK and most police stations there now will have a Sexual Assault centre, trained staff etc, they can help. But if it's years after there is really no point going. That sounds harsh but without evidence what can people do ? I have a real problem with people my age claiming abuse in childhood and getting a conviction on nothing - it scares me that I could actually claim to have been abused by a nun, or a teacher and ruin their life as I would be believed.

Oh and anonymity for BOTH accuser and accused until sentencing should be mandatory IMO.

nullzero · 15-11-2018 02:43PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I didn’t make any accusations, I made a guess based on posts previously made by that person.
Making observations based on posting history isn’t against the rules.

If you have a problem with my ‘etiquette’ please just report the posts, I don’t answer to you and don’t have to explain myself to you, you aren’t some higher authority on the matter.

I didn't raise the spectre of etiquette, you did. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

SusieBlue · 15-11-2018 02:45PM

nullzero wrote: »

I didn't raise the spectre of etiquette, you did. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

This is exhausting. I pointed out that it’s bad manners to selectively quote someone out of context to make a joke.
That doesn’t make me a hypocrite.
If you have issues with the moderation of this thread please take it elsewhere as it’s none of my concern.

nullzero · 15-11-2018 02:48PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

This is exhausting. I pointed out that it’s bad manners to selectively quote someone out of context to make a joke.
That doesn’t make me a hypocrite.
If you have issues with the moderation of this thread please take it elsewhere as it’s none of my concern.

Hang on I didn't mention moderation, you need to take a step back.
Your etiquette hasn't been great so you are being hypocritical when you criticise other people's etiquette.

SusieBlue · 15-11-2018 03:09PM

nullzero wrote: »

Hang on I didn't mention moderation, you need to take a step back.
Your etiquette hasn't been great so you are being hypocritical when you criticise other people's etiquette.

Seriously, just report posts you have a problem with. If anyone is a hypocrite its you, whinging about personal attacks yet seeing nothing wrong with selective quoting out of context.
I don't have to explain myself to you any further.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 15-11-2018 03:17PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Because they are coming at this from as incorrect a perspective as anyone saying "all women ask for it". They're holding signs up talking about "victim blaming" - the lad was found not guilty, there was no victim in this case. If you make an accusation against someone then absolutely you should be questioned in court.

Worryingly there are some people, groups etc (probably some posters on here) who think we should believe every single woman when she says she has been raped. It's a very sad fact that the way the world is moving on (e.g. with #MeToo and people losing their livelihoods due to allegations made on social media) that there are women who will have a consensual experience and for whatever reason say they were raped. I've seen it happen. It's not common but neither is unheard of.

A lecturer in a previous job I had who looks after sexual health matters once said in her opinion the figures for rapes in England were "over reported" (her words) - and that it was doing great harm to those genuine victims. It has been touched on here about how hard it is to report rape.

Like I said yesterday I know someone who worked with the CPS in the UK and most police stations there now will have a Sexual Assault centre, trained staff etc, they can help. But if it's years after there is really no point going. That sounds harsh but without evidence what can people do ? I have a real problem with people my age claiming abuse in childhood and getting a conviction on nothing - it scares me that I could actually claim to have been abused by a nun, or a teacher and ruin their life as I would be believed.

Oh and anonymity for BOTH accuser and accused until sentencing should be mandatory IMO.

I definitely don’t agree with blindly believing every single woman who accuses a man of raping her, but I genuinely can’t get my head around a jury being instructed to take into consideration her choice of underwear meaning she would consent to sex. If I have sex and happen to wear spanx or granny knickers, does that mean my choice in underwear clearly meant I didn’t plan on having sex therefore it’s rape?

YFlyer · 15-11-2018 03:18PM

I have two questions.

If a female wear a thong, is she consent to sex?

If you are consent to sex is it acceptable to be rape?

nullzero · 15-11-2018 03:21PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Seriously, just report posts you have a problem with. If anyone is a hypocrite its you, whinging about personal attacks yet seeing nothing wrong with selective quoting out of context.
I don't have to explain myself to you any further.

Like me or loathe me, I've been consistent.
I don't want to continue this back and forth but I'm not going to stand for that type of childish retort ("I'm not, you are") and have it sit there as if it were fact.

I never said you needed to explain yourself, but punctuating your post as such doesn't reflect kindly on you.

retro:electro · 15-11-2018 03:21PM

YFlyer wrote: »

I have two questions.

If a female wear a thong, is she consent to sex?

If you are consent to sex is it acceptable to be rape?

I have one question,
What?

SusieBlue · 15-11-2018 03:22PM

nullzero wrote: »

I don't want to continue this back and forth

I quite agree, lets leave it there shall we.

YFlyer · 15-11-2018 03:25PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I have one question,
What?

I'm questioning some beliefs that wearing a thong is consent to sex.

Also questioning your morals?

Ruth Coppinger holds up thong in Dail

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