Madeleine McCann

cnocbui · 13-11-2018 05:45PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That's the thing, we don't know.
Evidence in cases can be withheld from the public, we don't know if there is any in this case

The PJ report and files release were pretty thorough. I doubt they are keeping secrets hidden. Stating there is withheld evidence belongs in a conspiracy forum.

13-11-2018 07:14PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The PJ report and files release were pretty thorough. I doubt they are keeping secrets hidden. Stating there is withheld evidence belongs in a conspiracy forum.

The police do not release all evidence to the public. Not should they. Even if something goes to court, not all evidence may be brought before the court.
There's no need to release all evidence to the public, just to satisfy nosey people.
Police release what they want to release, if they want to.

Deusexmachina · 13-11-2018 08:20PM

fin12 wrote: »

And u have no evidence either that they weren’t involved.

I have no evidence that you weren’t involved either, but innocent until proven guilty and all that.

goat2 · 13-11-2018 08:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

bubblypop wrote: »

The police do not release all evidence to the public. Not should they. Even if something goes to court, not all evidence may be brought before the court.
There's no need to release all evidence to the public, just to satisfy nosey people.
Police release what they want to release, if they want to.

If they have evidence, why then is there no one in court, with evidence there would be an answer

fin12 · 13-11-2018 08:55PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I have no evidence that you weren’t involved either, but innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Except I have an air tight alabi during that time, was 17 and still in School.

Deusexmachina · 13-11-2018 09:03PM

fin12 wrote: »

Except I have an air tight alabi during that time, was 17 and still in School.

The Mc Canns have a tight alibi too. Unless you believe all their friends were and still are complicit in her death and that her body was magically buried out of sight before the alarm was raised and never found despite all the searches by two police forces.
And if you believe all that there’s this bridge I’d like to sell you.

Sadb · 13-11-2018 09:19PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t think Kate and Gerry had anything to do with it. I think the most obvious answer is what likely happened. Someone had been watching their behaviour on previous nights and acted on opportunity when they knew the kids were alone. I don’t think Kate and Gerry are particularly nice people, in fact I don’t like them at all and they are partly responsible for what happened to their daughter. But I just don’t think they’re capable of what some people are accusing them of. It’s clear as day that Kate is tormented ever since and she has grief written all over her face. I think they’re cold and detached and odd and have made a lot of strange decisions but I don’t think they’re murderers.

What do you think is the most obvious answer? Because it’s certainly not a child being abducted from her bed while on holiday in Spain.

Sadb · 13-11-2018 09:21PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Being a parent i dont think any mother or father could knowingly cover it up and act it out for all these years.

I would say the child was snatched. Any of the missing kids cases is heart breaking.

Have you seriously never read/heard any stories of atrocities committed by parents on their own children? I would say they are far far more common than stranger attacks.

retro:electro · 13-11-2018 09:21PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Sadb wrote: »

What do you think is the most obvious answer? Because it’s certainly not a child being abducted from her bed while on holiday in Spain.

Because when a decided lack of evidence equates to anything else, then all signs tend to point towards. It’s the most likely scenario in my opinion

Sadb · 13-11-2018 09:22PM

Seve OB wrote: »

I would never leave my kids either but look at it this way. This was 11 years ago now. Fresh in your mind as your nippers are growing up and a reason for us to be so protective over our kids.
Maybe this case is a contributing factor to the protective nature we place on our kids nowadays.

I mean go back to when I was the same age back in the 80s and was left out on the street all day playing ball etc.

Times change, the McCanns got caught out, but just maybe there is more cotton wool around our kids nowadays because of Madeline.

I have a child the same age as Madeleine and I never left him alone before this case occurred. It was not normal behaviour 11 years ago anyway.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2018 09:28PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Sadb wrote: »

I have a child the same age as Madeleine and I never left him alone before this case occurred. It was not normal behaviour 11 years ago anyway.

I have a son who is now 38 , I never left him for a second at that age . It wasn't normal behaviour even way back then either . I don't know anyone then or now who would even think it

limnam · 13-11-2018 09:49PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have a son who is now 38 , I never left him for a second at that age . It wasn't normal behaviour even way back then either . I don't know anyone then or now who would even think it

Think it was the McCanns spokesperson who told prime time that it was perfectly normal for brits to leave thier kids alone on holidays

bizzaareee statement to make.

Kidchameleon · 13-11-2018 09:59PM

It was stupid to leave the kids alone of course but the McCanns have never said it was a good idea and have stated their regret many many times. I dont know why people keep banging on about it - they agree that it was wrong!

ozzy jr · 13-11-2018 10:23PM

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

I dont know why people keep banging on about it

Because it's the reason why the poor girl is missing/dead.

Steve F · 13-11-2018 11:05PM

News just in
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46196238

13-11-2018 11:15PM

ozzy jr wrote: »

Because it's the reason why the poor girl is missing/dead.

No, the reason she is abducted / dead is because someone abducted her and/or killed her.
Leaving kids alone was never the right thing to do, but she wouldn't have been abducted/killed if someone didn't do that.
The actual offender is the person who abdicted/killed her.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2018 11:23PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the reason she is abducted / dead is because someone abducted her and/or killed her.
Leaving kids alone was never the right thing to do, but she wouldn't have been abducted/killed if someone didn't do that.
The actual offender is the person who abdicted/killed her.

She wouldn't have been abducted if she wasn't left alone

13-11-2018 11:27PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

She wouldn't have been abducted if she wasn't left alone

You dont know that
No one does

Steve F · 13-11-2018 11:30PM

Opinions on this clip please
a couple of key points are Gerry's reaction at 4 seconds in and the look he gives her at 1:06???
Again I feel something is "off"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaoVqWaOQI

the_pen_turner · 13-11-2018 11:35PM

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bubblypop wrote: »

You dont know that
No one does

no one can know that she wouldnt have been abducted but its very likely that if the parents or sitter was there and the door locked etc that she whould have been a lot less likeely to be.

surely a would be abducter wouldnt break into a appartment with parents in it and risk being caught

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2018 11:36PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

bubblypop wrote: »

You dont know that
No one does

In all fairness we can make a good guess that if Madeleine was being looked after and supervised it is highly unlikely she would be taken

cnocbui · 13-11-2018 11:38PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

the_pen_turner wrote: »

no one can know that she wouldnt have been abducted but its very likely that if the parents or sitter was there and the door locked etc that she whould have been a lot less likeely to be.

surely a would be abducter wouldnt break into a appartment with parents in it and risk being caught

Unfortunately it has happened:

Girl, six, is abducted from bath and left naked in street

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1506491/Girl-six-is-abducted-from-bath-and-left-naked-in-street.html

cnocbui · 13-11-2018 11:40PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

In all fairness we can make a good guess that if Madeleine was being looked after and supervised it is highly unlikely she would be taken

Maybe, maybe not, as that story shows.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2018 11:43PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cnocbui wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not, as that story shows.

Well , the maybe not is much much more likely .

13-11-2018 11:45PM

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An abduction just seems so unlikely. The evidence never really pointed that way at all. It's a tourist resort, there would have been a lot of people around and the parents were making checks. One would have had to have been very fortunate to get in and out with a child undetected. Not to mention a 3 year old would likely scream and kick up a fuss if they woke up in a stranger's arms.

I also don't think the area had any sort of history of abducted young girls.

I also doubt that the checks were precise. That's important because it makes it even harder to plan.

Deusexmachina · 13-11-2018 11:54PM

ozzy jr wrote: »

Because it's the reason why the poor girl is missing/dead.

No. That unfair. It’s not the reason. They were wrong to leave their kids alone. But they didn’t kill Madeline. The two events are not morally equal.

Deusexmachina · 13-11-2018 11:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

An abduction just seems so unlikely. The evidence never really pointed that way at all. It's a tourist resort, there would have been a lot of people around and the parents were making checks. One would have had to have been very fortunate to get in and out with a child undetected. Not to mention a 3 year old would likely scream and kick up a fuss if they woke up in a stranger's arms.

I also don't think the area had any sort of history of abducted young girls.

I also doubt that the checks were precise. That's important because it makes it even harder to plan.

Have you read anything about the case?

fin12 · 14-11-2018 12:01AM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Outside of the MCCanns and their friends at dinner, what time was the last independent sighting of Madeline on May 3rd?

14-11-2018 12:02AM

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Deusexmachina wrote: »

Have you read anything about the case?

Yeah lots. Not recently though. Have you?

14-11-2018 12:07AM

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fin12 wrote: »

Outside of the MCCanns and their friends at dinner, what time was the last independent sighting of Madeline on May 3rd?

Fairly sure she was at the kids club until 6pm. Nobody outside the McCanns saw her after.
Matthew Oldfield went to check on the kids at 9:30 I believe but didn't look very hard and couldn't recall if Madeline was there or not...

Why he bothered going at all is odd. Surely you'd at least look to see if the kids were there!

Madeleine McCann

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