Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

Pelvis · 13-11-2018 05:58PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

It appears CNN aren't taking the Acosta ban lying down...

"New York (CNN)CNN is filing a lawsuit against President Trump and several of his aides, seeking the immediate restoration of chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta's access to the White House"

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/13/media/cnn-sues-trump/index.html

Looks like it's been deleted, what could be so bad that he'd delete it! :eek:

Tell me how · 13-11-2018 06:00PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

No thoughts really, for the most part I've lost much of my interest in US politics, when the findings of the Mueller probe become public it will sway my interest again. I think there should be a centralized voter database using some form of state issued voter ID because I have very little faith in election integrity. You can make a counter argument that it's unfair to minorities and that can be justified too.

So you don't have an interest in US politics but feel in a position to judge the determinations of people who post on this thread? That is curious.

I am interested in hearing from Trump supporters as such because I know they must be out there and I am interested in hearing how they can justify his words and actions as being desirable in someone who holds the office in which he is sitting.

FreudianSlippers · 13-11-2018 06:02PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is really troublesome for the GOP and Trump for 2020 is that the economy and jobs are at historic low levels and yet the GOP lost more votes. So despite having full control, getting two new SCOTUS, continuing good economy, as a party they lost ground to the DNC.

What can Trump do now to reverse this trend? He cannot win with that level of support.

Trump has claimed it a victory, and in terms of the senate it was definitely a better result for the GOP that the DNC would have wished for, but the trends are going the wrong way. All the polls should be massively in Trumps favor at this stage.

I'm still not convinced Trump will actually run in 2020, which would throw the GOP into even more disarray.

Tell me how · 13-11-2018 06:12PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm still not convinced Trump will actually run in 2020, which would throw the GOP into even more disarray.

I think he will given the effort he is putting in to campaigning. Think his ego will motivate him. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped away and used claims of ill health to delay any legal proceedings against him. Which would be doubly ironic given the bill of health his physician gave him since he was elected.

prawnsambo · 13-11-2018 06:16PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I think he will given the effort he is putting in to campaigning. Think his ego will motivate him. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped away and used claims of ill health to delay any legal proceedings against him. Which would be doubly ironic given the bill of health his physician gave him since he was elected.

I'm sure he believes he's safer in the WH than outside it. So that would be a motivating factor if nothing else. It's a tactic that Silvio Berlusconi used.

Tell me how · 13-11-2018 06:19PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I'm sure he believes he's safer in the WH than outside it. So that would be a motivating factor if nothing else. It's a tactic that Silvio Berlusconi used.

Yeah, there's that. He's also a bigger target. There might be a sense of just be grateful for small mercies if he leaves and to let sleeping dogs lie. US justice system is notoriously capable of being manipulated.

Anyway, aside from the Donald. I'm convinced that Ivanka will be on the GOP ballot at some point in future.

prawnsambo · 13-11-2018 06:27PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, there's that. He's also a bigger target. There might be a sense of just be grateful for small mercies if he leaves and to let sleeping dogs lie. US justice system is notoriously capable of being manipulated.

Anyway, aside from the Donald. I'm convinced that Ivanka will be on the GOP ballot at some point in future.

I wouldn't think she has the personality for it tbh. The name might garner a few votes, but I can't see her leading chants of "lock her up".

Leroy42 · 13-11-2018 06:29PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I wouldn't think she has the personality for it tbh. The name might garner a few votes, but I can't see her leading chants of "lock her up".

i doubt she could run right after Donald, and in the time in between who knows what will come out about Trump WH and what they really got up to in terms of the business etc.

Itssoeasy · 13-11-2018 06:30PM

8-10 wrote: »

Something strange is happening in Florida this election for sure I reckon

Elections in Florida seem to not be straight forward since at least 2000.

prawnsambo · 13-11-2018 06:32PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

i doubt she could run right after Donald, and in the time in between who knows what will come out about Trump WH and what they really got up to in terms of the business etc.

Yeah. Depending on what you read, it's just Trump, or it's the whole damn lot of them. Or a subset. You'd have to think that Kushner and Don Jr. are right in the firing line and if that's the case, I can't see any of the rest of them not being collateral damage. There's always Tiffany of course. Nobody hears anything about Tiffany.

Itssoeasy · 13-11-2018 06:37PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah. Depending on what you read, it's just Trump, or it's the whole damn lot of them. Or a subset. You'd have to think that Kushner and Don Jr. are right in the firing line and if that's the case, I can't see any of the rest of them not being collateral damage. There's always Tiffany of course. Nobody hears anything about Tiffany.

Tiffany seems to be the forgotten child of the Trump family. She keeps out of the limelight it seems(well as much as you can) and if the trump organisation gets in bother she and Barron are the only two not looking at jail time or legal issues.

Tell me how · 13-11-2018 06:44PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I wouldn't think she has the personality for it tbh. The name might garner a few votes, but I can't see her leading chants of "lock her up".

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah. Depending on what you read, it's just Trump, or it's the whole damn lot of them. Or a subset. You'd have to think that Kushner and Don Jr. are right in the firing line and if that's the case, I can't see any of the rest of them not being collateral damage. There's always Tiffany of course. Nobody hears anything about Tiffany.

Think her involvement in doing things like opening the embassy in israel show she likes being involved.
I also think Niki halley has designs on the office so it could be way in to the future depending on what happens.

But, given the family, the opportunity to maybe have the first female president (subject to Halley and others) and cement their dynasty claims ala Bush and Clinton I wouldn't rule it out.

Outlaw Pete · 13-11-2018 08:47PM

Is there no end to this man's misogyny.

https://twitter.com/1010WINS/status/1062427185829556224

oscarBravo · 13-11-2018 08:54PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Is there no end to this man's misogyny.

What was your point?

aloyisious · 13-11-2018 09:15PM

Re cuts helping the average US citizen, it seem's [according to CNN] that following a tweet by Don the cost of gas for cars etc has dropped. Prices seem to have been going down for 11 consecutive days on the market. I wonder how Don will respond to that CNN market report.

TomOnBoard · 13-11-2018 09:35PM

CNN has lodged a lawsuit against Trump, Sanders, Shine and members of the Secret Service for breach of Acosta's Constitutional rights by revoking his White House clearance.

White House is likely to lose this argument.

relax carry on · 13-11-2018 09:41PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Is there no end to this man's misogyny.

https://twitter.com/1010WINS/status/1062427185829556224

Oh look Trump appointed one of them there wimin. That obviously means he's not misogynistic in any way. Shure if I had a p***y he could grab it anytime.

pixelburp · 13-11-2018 09:48PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

CNN has lodged a lawsuit against Trump, Sanders, Shine and members of the Secret Service for breach of Acosta's Constitutional rights by revoking his White House clearance.

White House is likely to lose this argument.

I saw that: I am wondering how legally sound the case is. Presumably the White House is still allowed discretion over how many passes it can give - and to whom. Otherwise the Press Room would need to be a concert hall as every publication could claim fair entitlement to be present. In which case I guess the WH will simply plead some legal technicality allowing them to wriggle out of any obligation.

Will be a curious case to follow - if it gains any traction.

TomOnBoard · 13-11-2018 09:56PM

pixelburp wrote: »

I saw that: I am wondering how legally sound the case is. Presumably the White House is still allowed discretion over how many passes it can give - and to whom. Otherwise the Press Room would need to be a concert hall as every publication could claim fair entitlement to be present. In which case I guess the WH will simply plead some legal technicality allowing them to wriggle out of any obligation.

Will be a curious case to follow - if it gains any traction.

I think CNN's claim to access revolves around the First Amendment press freedom issue. The revoking of Acosta's pass by the Secret Service revolves around the pass being seized without explanation as to what rule he broke to lead to its seizure (Some other amendment)

It will be interesting alright.

Rjd2 · 13-11-2018 09:58PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

CNN has lodged a lawsuit against Trump, Sanders, Shine and members of the Secret Service for breach of Acosta's Constitutional rights by revoking his White House clearance.

White House is likely to lose this argument.

In a perfect world both would lose, Acosta and Trump deserve each other.

Inquitus · 13-11-2018 09:59PM

Trump tweets about Diwali, fails to mention Hindus who's festival it is primarily.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062443307052265478

pixelburp · 13-11-2018 10:08PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I think CNN's claim to access revolves around the First Amendment press freedom issue. The revoking of Acosta's pass by the Secret Service revolves around the pass being seized without explanation as to what rule he broke to lead to its seizure (Some other amendment)

It will be interesting alright.

In which case I presume the White House will simply claim 'national security' and that'll be that? Hard to see how CNN can win with this one - even though it's probably important that they do. In the interest of balance I would be curious how often this has happened too; are there many cases of outlets (especially US ones) having their passes revoked without warning / reason given?

Itssoeasy · 13-11-2018 10:09PM

ABC news are reporting that trump meet with his legal team today to write written response to Robert mueller questions. Dear god I'm feeling sorry for gulianni and the rest having to make those answers ones that won't be a perjury nightmare.

aloyisious · 13-11-2018 10:10PM

CNN reporting that Melania Trump has asked for the firing of the deputy Nat Sec adviser [saying she doesn't deserve to be there] and rumour has it that Don is going to do so even as the adviser was in the photo behind Don today at the Diwali event. Kelly is also rumoured to be in the firing line, he's a supporter of the Deputy adviser. I'm wondering if this is a fake news story to cloud the CNN issue, even if the adviser is actually fired, just another Trump Admin casualty.

Itssoeasy · 13-11-2018 10:12PM

aloyisious wrote: »

CNN reporting that Melania Trump has asked for the firing of the deputy Nat Sec adviser [saying she doesn't deserve to be there] and rumour has it that Don is going to do so even as the adviser was in the photo behind Don today at the Diwali event. Kelly is also rumoured to be in the firing line, he's a supporter of the Deputy adviser.

Well Kelly is apparently clashing with Melania trump so his days may be numbered anyway.

everlast75 · 13-11-2018 10:13PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I think CNN's claim to access revolves around the First Amendment press freedom issue. The revoking of Acosta's pass by the Secret Service revolves around the pass being seized without explanation as to what rule he broke to lead to its seizure (Some other amendment)

It will be interesting alright.

Discovery will be interesting...

everlast75 · 13-11-2018 10:17PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Is there no end to this man's misogyny.

https://twitter.com/1010WINS/status/1062427185829556224

No... since you asked.

Anyhoo - I guess you are trying something akin to the ould "I'm not a racist, my mate is black" defence.

Okay then.

See ya in about a week or so again for another try...

TomOnBoard · 13-11-2018 10:58PM

pixelburp wrote: »

In which case I presume the White House will simply claim 'national security' and that'll be that? Hard to see how CNN can win with this one - even though it's probably important that they do. In the interest of balance I would be curious how often this has happened too; are there many cases of outlets (especially US ones) having their passes revoked without warning / reason given?

In order to claim 'National Security', surely Acosta would have to be judged to have been a threat to POTUS or WH staff? That would be difficult to argue IMO. And don't get me started on Sanders' retweet of the doctored video!

Also, Trumps's 'Enemy of the People' narrative directly attacks the 1st Amendment freedoms and Acosta's treatment will likely be seen as born of a malevolent intent on Trump's part in furthering that narrative.

Professor Moriarty · 13-11-2018 11:05PM

pixelburp wrote: »

In which case I presume the White House will simply claim 'national security' and that'll be that? Hard to see how CNN can win with this one - even though it's probably important that they do. In the interest of balance I would be curious how often this has happened too; are there many cases of outlets (especially US ones) having their passes revoked without warning / reason given?

It's a serious loss for The Donald if they claim national security. The press would have a field day with Sanders. I would suggest they go for a "I'm Spartacus" moment.

prawnsambo · 14-11-2018 12:46AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's a serious loss for The Donald if they claim national security. The press would have a field day with Sanders. I would suggest they go for a "I'm Spartacus" moment.

If it gets to court it could be another circus to keep the press occupied. At the same time, it might draw out stuff that the WH might not want aired. The whole enemy of the people narrative could be dragged out and examined. Doctored videos, lies, character assassination. It could get uncomfortable, especially at discovery time, stuff to go on court record. Lots of fun for the WH.

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