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Toy Story 4

  • 07-11-2014 12:45am
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    Confirmed today. I'm disappointed in this news, I feel Pixar have been resting on their laurels over the last few years and this doesn't fill me with confidence. Thought the trilogy was close to perfect but can't see this keeping that quality up.
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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Hmm...

    Listen: I'd happily cite the two Toy Story sequels as among the finest follow-ups in cinema history. But the thing is, the third was a perfect ending. It closed the story with both a full-stop and an ellipsis. It's as ideal a conclusion to a trilogy - accidental though it may be - as I can possibly imagine. Anything further runs a very real risk of redundancy.

    This is Pixar - they've worked near-miracles three times with this series and these characters, and there's no reason to believe they couldn't do it again. But IMO for this film's existence to be worthwhile (well, apart from the fact that it will inevitably make all of the money) they really need to knock it out of the park. They've put themselves in a position where a merely excellent Toy Story sequel will be a disappointment - with each passing sequel the bar is raised almost impossibly higher. Heck, even the third struggled to match the first two in some respects, but thankfully that final act made up for it and then some.

    Also a little concerned that Lasseter is back directing, given his last two films have been less than inspiring...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    Really disappointed with this; Toy Story is/was the perfect trilogy, with one of the finest endings to a story I can think of. I was hoping that they would content themselves with the shorts they have been releasing, but I did feel that this was inevitable. I'd be less apprehensive if Pixar's recent sequel pedigree was a little more inspiring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭squonk


    Shame. It just should have been left. I suppose Disney need to recoup that purchase price somehow and this is it. I'd prefer though if they ploughed a new furrow. Wall-E was the last good Pixar thing I've seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Gotta agree with everyone else on this.
    Toy Story was a super trilogy. Pixar may need the sequel, but the audience certainly dont.

    Just give us an Incredibles sequel so you've a template to base a movie on, then go work on a new project!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well between the TV specials, promotions for Sky and general shilling across the board, this announcement doesn't come as any great surprise.

    The Toy Story trilogy is near perfect really, a triumphant combination of entertainment and emotion, capable of making anyone of any age shed a tear. To go back to the well for a 4th time, having comprehensively sewn-up the story at the end of #3 just smacks of the worst kind of money-grubbing.

    What's funny is that the films had a running theme of growing-up and learning to move on. Feels like a hollow message when Disney / Pixar can't do that themselves.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,875 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    ‘Toy Story 4’: Josh Cooley Becomes Sole Director as John Lasseter Steps Down
    John Lasseter has stepped down as director of “Toy Story 4,” leaving co-director Josh Cooley to take full reins.

    Lasseter revealed the news on Friday at D23 Expo in Anaheim, Calif. Lasseter, Pixar’s chief creative officer, has directed the first “Toy Story” in 1995. He will stay on the project as an executive producer.

    Cooley, head of story on the Pixar hit “Inside Out,” was named one of Variety‘s 10 Animators to Watch in 2015. Cooley started at the company as an intern working on “Cars.”

    “To be co-director on ‘Toy Story 4’ with John, who brought the ‘Toy Story’ characters to the screen 20 years ago, is a dream come true,” he told Variety in 2015. “When I first saw ‘Toy Story,’ I was amazed by the groundbreaking computer-generated animation. But it was the strong storytelling that kept me coming back. ‘Toy Story 4’ will continue that tradition and I couldn’t be more excited to be a part of it!”

    On stage, Lasseter and Cooley played a video taken at Pixar headquarters that introduced the movie’s crew.

    “Toy Story 4” will bring back original stars Tom Hanks and Tim Allen. “Toy Story 3” remains Pixar’s highest-grossing film, having hauled $1.1 billion worldwide.

    “Toy Story 4” is written by Rashida Jones and Will McCormack, based on a story by the Pixar Braintrust (Lasseter, Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter, and Lee Unkrich).

    The fourth installment of the animated franchise hits theaters on June 21, 2019.

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/toy-story-4-new-director-josh-cooley-john-lasseter-steps-down-1202496456/


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    So Lasseter will be free to makes Cars 4? Great news. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Can only agree with others. Toy Story is near to being the perfect trilogy of films. Actually, it probably is a perfect trilogy. It taps into so many things for so many people of so many ages, it's quite brilliant when you think of it.

    I just don't know why this needs to continue. Because, almost inevitably, it is going to embody the dimishing returns cliche, even if the previous sequels haven't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,875 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    'Toy Story 4' Finds Its Writer

    Stephany Folsom will pen the script for the hotly anticipated sequel
    Toy Story 4 has found its writer.

    Stephany Folsom, who recently had a feud with Marvel after being denied a "Story by" credit on Thor: Ragnarok, has been tapped to write the script for the upcoming fourth installment of the long-running Pixar franchise, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

    Rashida Jones was initially attached as writer for the film, along with her writing partner Will McCormack, but she left the project last year. It was initially reported that Jones decided to step away from the project because of unwanted advances from Pixar head John Lasseter, who took a leave of absence following claims of sexual harassment and misconduct, but Jones refuted the reports in The New York Times, saying, "We did not leave Pixar because of unwanted advances. ... We parted ways because of creative and, more importantly, philosophical differences." Jones and McCormack went on to say that Pixar has a "a culture where women and people of color do not have an equal creative voice."

    For Folsom, the role as writer on Toy Story 4 is her first major credit. She appeared on The Black List in 2013 for her original screenplay 1969: A Space Odyssey, or How Kubrick Learned to Stop Worrying and Land on the Moon.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/toy-story-4-finds-writer-1075806


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




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  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Wasn't this orignally meant to be from an 'amazing' idea that John Lassetter had?

    I'm a bit worried that they may be tarnsihing a perfect trilogy purely for money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Kids don't play with toys anymore, they play Fortnite...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Pixar 2000-2009
    8 movies, 1 sequel

    Pixar 2010-2019
    11 movies, 7 sequels


    Disney bought Pixar in 2006, in case you're wondering when the new 'creative' approach started to take shape.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Didn't they say a while ago they have no more plans for sequels after Toy Story 4? I'll believe it when I see it, but it does seem like they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Tom Hanks said on BBC Radio Two the ending is very very moving (or words to that effect) and he couldn't look at people when he was reading his lines. Thought the last one finished it well, and made me blub more than once but I'm sure I'll still go and see this, more in hope than expectation.

    On sequels, I actually thought The Incredibles 2 was excellent but Finding Dory was meh, Monster University like a straight to video thing Disney do, and the Cars sequels absolute toilet.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Buzz to be the major must have toy for Xmas 19 again?
    There's still a perfectly working buzz in our house, my 25 yo sons.
    I'm looking forward to a look at 4, I won't judge till I see.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Edward M wrote: »
    Buzz to be the major must have toy for Xmas 19 again?
    There's still a perfectly working buzz in our house, my 25 yo sons.
    I'm looking forward to a look at 4, I won't judge till I see.

    Will it be our for Christmas? If it is I’m buying both my kids one.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Car99


    Brian? wrote: »
    Will it be our for Christmas? If it is I’m buying both my kids one.

    Summer 19 I believe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Brian? wrote: »
    Will it be our for Christmas? If it is I’m buying both my kids one.

    They were great.
    There was a woodies too, but ironically the dog got him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Frank O. Pinion


    Didn't they say a while ago they have no more plans for sequels after Toy Story 4?
    Yes, they're only "developing original ideas", with their next 5 films allegedly being non-sequels. They had two original films in 2015, but since then, 4 out of their next five films were sequels. They have untitled films listed for March 2020, June 2020, June 2021, March 2022, and June 2022, but I'm sure some dates will change.

    I mean, I don't expect them to start making sequels to A Bug's Life, Ratatouille, WALL-E, or Up.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's a weird thing; I'm quite disappointed to see an obviously commercially mandated Toy Story sequel, but I also know there's a good chance I'll drift into the cinema purely on goodwill for the trilogy alone - which I guess is precisely what Disney are hoping for.

    The trailer for Toy Story 4 seems quite apt considering the recent news about Ardmann Animations, who announced they were giving ownership of the company to all 300 of its staff (to be held in a Trust) - specifically to avoid takeovers & remain independent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Pixar 2000-2009
    8 movies, 1 sequel

    Pixar 2010-2019
    11 movies, 7 sequels


    Disney bought Pixar in 2006, in case you're wondering when the new 'creative' approach started to take shape.

    I partially agree with you but you're including movies in the 90s in the 2000-09 range and you include a 3 year "post-Disney" period in the 2000-09 range which skews the analysis...

    1995-2006 (11 years): 6 originals, 1 sequel (Toy Story 2)

    2007-2018 (11 years): 7 originals, 6 sequels

    That's 7 sequels when you include 2019. You could also argue that Ratatouille (2007) was in the pipeline already pre-Disney.

    They're still producing high quality original, creative content at the same rate as "pre-Disney" IMO, but I agree on the point that outside of Toy Story (I haven't seen Incredibles 2 yet) their sequels are poor. Maybe it's not so much that their creativity is being drained but that the perceived quality of their output is being diluted with "Cars" sequels.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Dunno whether it's coincidence or deliberate, but it looks like the Child's Play remake will be released the same day as Toy Story 4 - that's kinda hilarious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Dunno whether it's coincidence or deliberate, but it looks like the Child's Play remake will be released the same day as Toy Story 4 - that's kinda hilarious.

    I can see the headlines already after some group of children are shepherded into the wrong screen by a blissfully unaware teacher/parent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Full trailer out today. I can already tell that it's going to make me cry. :o



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    It had me at the Beach Boys.

    Though I hope the next trailer will be less Woody-centric and the rest of the gang get some screen time.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I remained sceptical about revisiting the Toy Story world after such a wonderful capper at the end of number 3, but that trailer still got me right in the feels damnit. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    ^ this x 1,000,000

    I had serious reservations but I was welling up watching that trailer? They couldn't actually wrap things up AND deliver the all time greatest quadrilogy? Could they?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,627 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I hope they can deliver something of the level of the previous three. But you would wonder how closely the plot is going to resemble all the other previous films, just judging by the trailer. Is there a chance that it could be a case of re-hashing old tropes.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Going by how many billions Disney has earned, re-hashing the old 90s cartoons as live-action remakes, I doubt the studio are feeling that worried about going over old ground!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Can only agree with others. Toy Story is near to being the perfect trilogy of films. Actually, it probably is a perfect trilogy. It taps into so many things for so many people of so many ages, it's quite brilliant when you think of it.

    I just don't know why this needs to continue. Because, almost inevitably, it is going to embody the diminishing returns cliche, even if the previous sequels haven't.

    Shut up Tony.

    Ok, that trailer has me on board. biggrin.png


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Going by how many billions Disney has earned, re-hashing the old 90s cartoons as live-action remakes, I doubt the studio are feeling that worried about going over old ground!
    Look what happened when they took over Star Wars!

    The Force Awakens a New Hope :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Huh. Trailer did nothing for me tbh. Doesn't look like anything we haven't seen before.


    Although having said that, what we've seen before was pretty great – so not discounting it just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Well. That was a really good trailer. It was better than I expected tbh.

    I would like to see more trailers obviously but it's 1st outing is a very good start.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Goodshape wrote: »
    Huh. Trailer did nothing for me tbh. Doesn't look like anything we haven't seen before.


    Looks exactly like the plotlines of 1&2 mixed together!


    Disappointing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Big meh from me. I know Disney isn't going to give up such a big money spinner, but this still seems totally unnecessary. At the least they should have focused it on a different group of toys. 3 should have been left as the conclusion to Woody and Buzz's story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They just cannot help themselves. They couldn't leave a perfect trilogy alone.

    In fairness though, I'm looking forward to the new one.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That trailer has me turning a little lukewarm on this film now: that first promotion definitely plucked the emotional heartstrings, but the more 'story' I've seen, the more 'meh' I have become.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Reviews for this are due to start later today... I think this is one of those movies that will fill screens no matter how badly it reviews.


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    It won't review badly. It's Toy Story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Reviews are out now. Very positive. Weakest of the 4 (just about), but still classic Pixar.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/toy_story_4
    https://www.metacritic.com/movie/toy-story-4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    It's a nice film and the 90 minutes flew by as always, and some excellent laugh out loud moments. But noticeably the weakest of the series and is pretty much a rehash of the others.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I have *strong feelings* about the Toy Story series, because the first was a real favourite of mine as a kid and the sequels hit at just the right times for me to get the most out of them I think. So bear that in mind as I inevitably overanalyse this dumb Pixar toy movie ;)

    Let's reiterate a point that was made earlier: this film doesn't need to exist. You could have argued Toy Story 3 never really needed to exist either (well, insomuch as any film needs to exist) but TS3 wrapped everything up near perfectly - the film itself wasn't without its problems, but the last act is a rare triumph of franchise closure. I mean, it even visually loops back to the first moments of Toy Story 1 - it was done, and it was easy to ignore the throwaway shorts they've released since. This fourth film exists because Disney / Pixar like money, and it was engineered from that point. It's hard to ignore because of the '4' - this is being sold as a proper full chapter. So, does it make a convincing argument that we needed to revisit these toys one more time? Sort of - at the very least it tries.

    The most noteworthy thing here is how weird it is, right up until a mid-credit scene that pushes a running joke to an incredible new extreme. Not David Lynch weird or anything (though there's also one scene that I think would have freaked me the **** out as a kid), just weird by Pixar and Toy Story standards. Forky is a masterful addition, and also the most bat**** of the entire series. His existential identity crisis is as intense as it is hilarious, and the film perks up as soon as he's introduced. The film often feels like dishing up the leftover good ideas that didn't quite fit into the other ones - scenes and sequences that don't necessarily coalesce perfectly, but are pretty good on their own terms. It's very probably the funniest Toy Story film, with some legitimately great and unexpected gags dotted throughout. Some of the new toys are wonderful - obvious how much fun they clearly had animating the tiny Giggle McDimples particularly. Also big credit for having a
    villain who's not really a villain, as there was a little bit too much crossover between Stinky Pete & Lotso.

    Oh, and visually it's marvellous. It's been a few years since I watched Toy Story 3, but the fidelity and technology here feels like a proper leap - and Josh Cooley takes good advantage of it with extraordinarily detailed settings and beautiful compositions, particularly a rainy prologue that feels primarily like a way to show off how far we've come technically in the past two and a half decades. You got to give the creatives credits for managing to fit in some truly beautiful moments too - the
    wordless reunion scene between Woody and Bo
    takes full advantage of one of the series' core rules in a deeply poignant, romantic and clever way.

    It's the writing that gives some cause for hesitation when it comes to praising the film. From the off you can feel the scriptwriters' brains in overdrive, trying to come up with situations and context to get what they want to across. It's relentlessly contrived in a way the others weren't, and inevitability retreads the same old ground we've covered before. Ultimately, it does arrive somewhere newish, and there's definitely reflections on issues such as ageing and finding one's place in the world as the years tick by. But there's a lot of moving parts, and at worst it can feel like such a hodgepodge that it's fairly tricky to care about where it's all going. While the ending is predictably emotional - and pretty well handled - it falls well short of the overwhelming one-two punch of TS3's furnace/Bonnie's garden finale.

    This is very much a Woody (and Bo Peep, who gets plenty of great material) story, to the point where it feels like many of the other characters are taking up space - Buzz included. I mean you could argue they were already struggling to come up with more directions for the likes of Jessie and Buzz in TS3, but it's doubly the case here. Most of the side characters are, well, sidelined and you'd barely miss the likes of Rex, Hamm, the Potato Heads if their few lines were cut. Much more time is given to a handful of new additions. I don't think it's necessarily a problem as such, but it gives the impression of the film being rather noisy with a lot of franchise baggage. And while it was always hard to ignore the corporate and branding elements in the series, the fact that Dinsey are selling Forky toys now is so absurd and egregious it actually kind of hurts the film itself :pac:

    If there's one overarching problem, it's that everything feels kinda lightweight. That's fine, but this is a series that has constantly overachieved. This is a sillier, messier, less purposeful film than its predecessors. I'm actually glad they played with things like tone and pacing a bit, if only because a film series should constantly try something new within the inevitable constraints. Perhaps inevitably, though, it simply does not reach the remarkable heights Pixar has set for itself even if it does manage to find new angles in the core conceits and themes of the series.

    To end on a positive, though, I had a whole lot of fun watching it - and while that's a lesser experience than I've come to expect from Toy Story, it's a whole lot better than I feared when I first heard a fourth film was on-the-way. Good, not great... but thank Christ it isn't worse than that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    10/10

    I couldn't imagine a film better than toy story 3 but somehow they did it.

    My heart broke at the final scene and I cried in the cinema for possibly the only time in my life

    :'(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    10/10

    I couldn't imagine a film better than toy story 3 but somehow they did it.

    My heart broke at the final scene and I cried in the cinema for possibly the only time in my life

    :'(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    I had heard that the ending was "heartbreaking" but I didn't think it was too bad at all. I was much more...emm..."emotional" at the end of TS3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Saw it last night and as mentioned above, there's some really genuine laugh out loud moments in it as well as some more emotional bits -
    the lost child scene where the "villain" also gets closure really got to me for some reason, Bonnie's first day in playschool, and the end where Woody makes his decision (with the echo back to the opening sequence) was really well done

    Almost all of the regulars are reduced to fleeting appearances really -
    although the scene where they take control of the RV was hilarious
    - which is a bit disappointing, but this was a Woody and Bo story really so not that surprising.

    Forky was great -
    his ongoing attempts to throw himself in the bin early on were brilliant
    - and a welcome addition to the gang
    (eventually!)

    Overall while it may not have been an essential installment, it ties things up pretty well by the end, and both me and my 7 year old little fella really enjoyed it :)


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