Madeleine McCann

retro:electro wrote: »

Right. But to believe she was drugged murdered and disposed of requires an absurd leap in logic and is a scenario that gets trotted out time and time again without any support by those spouting it. At least with my theory I’m not blaming anyone for murder.

Your just blaming someone else, with no evidence.

retro:electro wrote: »

Would you have a look at what you’re writing. Embarrassing.

retro:electro wrote: »

Would you have a look at what you’re writing. Embarrassing.

Hahaha...quit your spouting there!

So.. I’ll ask again. Timeline of events... anyone?

Cyrus T Buford wrote: »

Yea because im sure she was abducted by Barnie The Dinasour

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

retro:electro wrote: »

So.. I’ll ask again. Timeline of events... anyone?

times are all approximate ranges

7.00-7.15
McCanns putting children to bed

7.15- 8.30
McCanns getting ready to go out and having a glass of wine

8.35
McCanns Arrive at Tapas Bar
Chat to Carpenter couple at another table

8.40
Jane Tanner arrives at Tapas


8.45
Rachel and Matt Oldfield leave their apartment for Tapas

8.50
Russell O’Brien arrives at Tapas
Matt Oldfield goes back to chase up the Paynes.

On his return, he listens outside McCann apartment reporting that all was quiet.

8.55
Fiona and David Payne arrive with Dianne Webster

9.05
Gerry McCann goes to check children
Notes children’s bedroom door is open wider than he thought they’d left it
Uses bathroom

9.10
Gerry McCann leaves apartment and meets Jez Wilkins for chat in street

9.15
Jane Tanner goes to do a check. Sees Gerry talking to Jez.

Sees Man carrying child walking away from apartment,Walks quickly along Rue Dr Agostinho da Silva



9.20
Gerry McCann returns to Tapas and explains that he has been chatting outside for a while.

9.25
Jane Tanner returns from her check
Kate McCann stands up to do her check but Matt Oldfield offers to pop in on his way past to do his check.


9.30
Matt Oldfield and Russell O’Brien leave Tapas together for a check.

Oldfield enters McCann apartment and listens but does not enter children’s bedroom although he says the bedroom door was half open.

On his return to the Tapas, he says that Russell O’Brien is staying with a sick child.


9.45
Jane Tanner returns to the apartment to let her husband go back to the Tapas and finish his meal.

She remains in the apartment.

10.00
Kate McCann goes to do her check and finds Madeleine missing.
Raises the alarm.

10.00
A man carrying a child is seen walking towards the beach on Rue da Escola Primaria by Smith family

retro:electro wrote: »

Thanks for that Monkie Socks. But your timeline doesn’t include the drugging, murder and burial of Madeline, which is what I’m interested in reading from those who believe she wasn’t abducted.

Who said that they murdered and buried her?

Strange that its has to be made even clearer.

The evidence allows for the possibility of her dying in the apartment before or on that night. You seem to miss the fact that it could have been accidental.
The cadavor dogs had multiple hits in the apartment that we are told an abduction took place.

As sickening as it sounds, the fridge freezer and missing bag allows for the possibility for storage & removal.
The car boot that was flagged by the dogs could have been a transfer from items / bag that were in the apartment and were then placed in the boot of the car.

Simply put, why would cadavor dogs both flag the boot of a car that was hired after an alleged clean abduction - where no trace of an abduction / breaking & entering was found.

bunderoon wrote: »

Strange that its has to be made even clearer.

The evidence allows for the possibility of her dying in the apartment before or on that night. You seem to miss the fact that it could have been accidental.
The cadavor dogs had multiple hits in the apartment that we are told an abduction took place.

As sickening as it sounds, the fridge freezer and missing bag allows for the possibility for storage & removal.
The car boot that was flagged by the dogs could have been a transfer from items / bag that were in the apartment and were then placed in the boot of the car.

Simply put, why would cadavor dogs both flag the boot of a car that was hired after an alleged clean abduction - where no trace of an abduction / breaking & entering was found.

So what about the GDR sniffer dogs that scoured the whole area, including in the apartments? You think Portuguese dogs are inferior to British dogs or something?




I know you want to think a body could be hidden from a small army of trained sniffer/SAR dogs, but that really is very unlikely.

Mike9832 wrote: »

I thought they had them when that was the main line of enquiry years ago

Gerry to this day still denies ever having that gear bag, photo evidence suggests he had

Interesting
Do we have photo's of Gerry with said bag and do we have evidence of him denying he had it?

Charmeleon wrote: »

The Portuguese dogs were trained to follow the scent of a living person from a sample of clothing for example. Martin Grimes dogs are specialists at detecting deceased victims and crime scenes.

Search and Rescue dogs were also used and are trained to detect people - alive or dead.

bunderoon wrote: »

Strange that its has to be made even clearer.

The evidence allows for the possibility of her dying in the apartment before or on that night. You seem to miss the fact that it could have been accidental.
The cadavor dogs had multiple hits in the apartment that we are told an abduction took place.

As sickening as it sounds, the fridge freezer and missing bag allows for the possibility for storage & removal.
The car boot that was flagged by the dogs could have been a transfer from items / bag that were in the apartment and were then placed in the boot of the car.

Simply put, why would cadavor dogs both flag the boot of a car that was hired after an alleged clean abduction - where no trace of an abduction / breaking & entering was found.

Ok, but how would they have carried out all of that without being caught or even arousing suspicion?
We're now going down the line of them storing the body in a freezer for 3 weeks after the child went missing, before putting her in the "missing" tennis bag, and into the car to dispose of. 25 days later while the glare of the worlds media was on their backs.
How did they, or how would they, have been able to execute that without leaving behind a shred of evidence to implicate themselves?
How were they not seen?

limnam wrote: »

How did the abductor?

The worlds media wasn't on the abductor while the abduction was taking place.
The 3 children were alone in that apartment that night, there was nobody watching.
Its being suggested that the McCann's hid Madeleine in a fridge freezer, put her in a tennis bag, into their hire care, and then disposed of her body.
25 days after she was reported missing.

I'm curious as to the logistics of how they managed to do this undetected, when by that point, the Portuguese police were growing suspicious of them and they were being hounded at every move by the media.
Its a logical question.

New poster - I've been following the thread since it was posted, and have in the past been in the camp of giving the McCann's 'the benefit of the doubt'.

However, since watching all (I got obsessed!) the YouTube interviews, I simply cannot abide these two. They are guilty as sin, and I hope it is discovered in our lifetime. I am glad people are still talking about it, and by the looks of things, most are suspicious of these two monsters. I particularly despise the smug cold bastard Gerry. I feel sorry for their young teen twins.

I just don't understand how they can calmly hide and bury their daughter even if it was an unintentional overdose. This part makes my head spin, along with the numerous paedo connections... RIP Madeleine.