Madeleine McCann

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Quoting me out of context.

I really didn’t.

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Well if she died accidentally while you were both out having dinner, you might feel somewhat involved too.

Attacking my character doesn't get away from the facts unfortunately. It does get away from this thread topic though.

Very true.
I can't imagine the guilt as a mother you would feel from knowing you were responsible for your own child's death.
I can't imagine there is anything in this world worse than that.
Not even losing your other children to social services would be worse than that.

I imagine the pain would be so bad, the last thing I'd be concerned about in the minutes after discovering this, would be protecting myself & my husband.
Let alone concocting a mastermind plan to ensure we both get off scott free.

Getting locked up for the rest of my life would never compare to the pain of knowing I caused the death of my child. That's why it isn't plausible.

Babooshka wrote: »

I can't even follow this thread any more, I'm so horrified at people asking questions about bins. I'm not saying humans aren't capable of such stuff but I have a daughter almost the same age and I'm so sad even thinking anyone could throw a dead child in a bin. I don't know that they didn't do it, but even if they did, speculating about it in this way is just macabre. You'd have to be pretty mental in the head to do that.

I suppose you consider the parents were totally within their rights to leave their babies alone at night though.

Anything could have happened.

Anything

But bye bye anyway.

Dog Man Star wrote: »

"It's two parents covering up the accidental death of their daughter to avoid losing their other two children."

You go to check on your children and find your nearly 4 year old daughter has fallen out of bed and broken her neck. She’s dead. Your on holidays with a large party. Your twins are fast asleep. Your wife is outside with your friends drinking a glass of wine.....so, go, tell us what happened then, in your mind....
Because in my mind I’m running with my dead child in my arms screaming “help me help me! Get a ****ing ambulance!! Help me Jesus help me! Kate Maddie’s dead she’s fallen! “
I think this is most people’s reaction but not you.
I know of two families who lost small kids in accidents at home, one on a farm and this is what happened. Funnily enough on neither occasion was there a calm rational conversation about the possible consequences re other children being taken into care.
I’d imagine your surprised to hear that.
So go ahead and tell us what you think happened next.

fin12 wrote: »

Or basically you just believe everything the media report and don’t question it.

No I’ve not seen ever a scenario which explains how where when why and by whom M MCCann died.
Have you?

Deleted User wrote: »

3) The child wandered off and fell into somewhere not found

Possibly like this,


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/REX-MORGAN.htm

I would further like to say that in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine, I saw a manhole with a cover removed.

This manhole is situated on a junction of a road that runs parallel to the supermarket near to the Tapas Bar and the McCanns apartment.

The cover along with the surround that been removed and placed to the side of the road.

The road is lit by street lighting but I believe you would not have seen the hole and anyone could have fallen in.

I returned the next day and noticed that the cover had been replaced.

I am concerned that she may have fallen down the manhole and was not seen.

he also talks about the charity collectors on 3rd May.


Now I would imagine whoever put the manhole cover back on would have looked down the hole to see if anything was down there..............

Steve F wrote:

I'm wondering if this is the scenario, then he somehow convinced her that she was just as much to blame as him and they would lose the twins?? Again Just putting this out there....

The only scenario which would have resulted in the other children being taken into care is if Madeleine had been knowingly, as opposed to accidentally, administered an overdose of some sort of strong and potentially fatal sedative which should never be given to children of that particularly young age. The father may have had access to such given the nature of his work. There are perfectly legal medications such as Calpol, Dozol which induce sleep in children and are available to buy without prescription.

Isn’t Kate a trained anaesthetist? Yet we are meant to believe she administered an accidental and fatal dose of what, calpol?
This just gets more and more laughable.

retro:electro wrote:

Isn’t Kate a trained anaesthetist? Yet we are meant to believe she administered an accidental and fatal dose of what, calpol? This just gets more and more laughable.

Oh, I thought he was the anaesthetist. My point was that perhaps the child had been given (accidentally) a fatal level of some illegal form of sedative and not the over the counter variety as you seem to be suggesting. Anybody could have made an error regarding the correct dosage, even a medical doctor.

retro:electro wrote: »

Isn’t Kate a trained anaesthetist? Yet we are meant to believe she administered an accidental and fatal dose of what, calpol?
This just gets more and more laughable.

No one knows if it was calpol or something more powerful....



those trained anaesthetist's


They've never ever ever ever killed anyone....

dubrov wrote: »

It must be a nightmare to lose a daughter and to have everyone scrutinise everything you say. The parents aren't even allowed smile without being accused of something.

Well I thought it was a genuine question.How can Kate be so positive that raising money for missing Children can't help HER missing Daughter?

Follow the money.

Although I suppose the fund is a bit depleted now that Amaral won his case against them.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What if it was agreed that they would give some sedative. What if by accident they both gave it without the other knowing? Training wouldn't be much pertinent if I made sure I give enough to knock out the child for the night, but you did also a few minutes later.

Where would they have disposed of the sedative that they administered before the police came, and how would they have smuggled it into Portugal with them, given it must have been of surgical strength?

retro:electro wrote: »

Toxicology tests on the twins showed they were never given any sedatives at any stage.
That's the dodgiest thing about this theory, the idea that Kate having worked in anaesthesiology means she probably not only drugged her kids, but used some unspecified-but-scary, surgical grade anaesthetic drug to do it. And furthermore, that she screwed it up and killed one of them, which would not only make her a killer but a complete idiot.

Phenergan is an anti histamine that knocks you out. Suitable for kids too in smaller doses than an adult obviously. I have used it for long haul flights, and many parents use it too for their kids in similar circumstances. Perfectly safe once kids are supervised as when you wake up you can be groggy for a while, I know this! Perfectly legal, available over the counter and anti histamines are often used in foreign countries in the event of bites etc.

I don't think anyone is saying that the parents killed their child. Far from it, but IF sedatives like the one I mentioned were used, well the child could have woken and wandered in a bit of a stupor, or fell and hit her head. That's a theory. No anaesthesia masks or intubation required at all.

Remember the twins slept through all the commotion. Soundly. I know some kids can sleep through an earthquake, but the commotion was going on for hours, it wasn't like someone accidentally let the cutlery drawer fall onto the tiles for example, or played music for a while. Just made me think anyway.