Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

sligojoek · 06-11-2018 12:21AM

Rennaws wrote: »

So as I was saying..

Ciara's priorities seem a little messed up if she's prepared to protest against McDonalds but has no problem with a halting site..

It doesn't add up and I can't see her neighbours being too happy with her traveling friends either.

That said, I'd love to see her actually doing something positive like making a program where she stays on a halting site for a few nights and gets to learn more about their culture and way of life.

I did something similar as a teenager. I was about 15 when I signed up for what was called the "Urban Plunge" where they took kids like me from places like Greystones and put us in disadvantaged areas, staying with local families.

I stayed in Sean McDermott St flats. It was interesting and I still remember the experience vividly. I met some great people but it was a different world.

It opened my eyes and taught me a lot about people.

Shame it's not still offered in schools..

There's nothing stopping Ciara though..

I'd say the insurance implications would be mind boggling.

Tell me how · 06-11-2018 12:26AM

Rennaws wrote:

I did something similar as a teenager. I was about 15 when I signed up for what was called the "Urban Plunge" where they took kids like me from places like Greystones and put us in disadvantaged areas, staying with local families.

You should write a book. I'd buy it. It sounds like your experiences really encapsulates how everyone in the world thinks.

Ciara would have you on the show to discuss it I'm sure.

Have you a website or blog I can follow?

The Bishop Basher · 06-11-2018 12:33AM

sligojoek wrote: »

I'd say the insurance implications would be mind boggling.

Big time..

The older brother of the guy I stayed with was a quiet guy, apparently a very promising boxer. He got into a fight a few weeks after I stayed, someone threw him a knife and he stabbed the guy and unfortunately killed him. A quieter guy you wouldn't meet.

We walked with immunity through some of the most dangerous parts of Dublin as our leader joked with lads lurking in corners who were "on the rob" and basically waiting to mug someone.

On the flip side there were too many decent people to mention. Really lovely genuine people. The lady I stayed with was a gem. I drank a lifetimes worth of tea and smoked Johnnie Blue till they came out my ears but we talked and we laughed and we just hit it off. Her window was always open and people passing would stop for a chat. It was in many ways a great life and a wonderful community but they were forgotten through the worst years of the heroin epidemic and no sooner had that ended then the gangs started.

Anyway, I digress..

But agreed, it wouldn't be possible now which sadly speaks volumes.

The Bishop Basher · 06-11-2018 12:35AM

Tell me how wrote: »

You should write a book. I'd buy it. It sounds like your experiences really encapsulates how everyone in the world thinks.

Ciara would have you on the show to discuss it I'm sure.

Have you a website or blog I can follow?

As per mod instructions i'm not engaging.

sligojoek · 06-11-2018 01:11AM

Wasn't Ross O Carroll Kelly's son Ronan conceived on one of those exchange schemes?

meeeeh · 06-11-2018 11:55AM

It sounds like a tour you can pay for to visit favelas. You walk around a bit, see some locals doing local stuff, wonder how anyone can live like that and forget about it after you leave. I kind of see why it wasn't continued. Keeping communities apart as much as possible, different estates, different schools and then organise a safari every so often isn't exactly an approach that builds good societies.

Sleeper12 · 06-11-2018 02:43PM

David Mc Williams, for an educated man, he can spout some rubbish. Ciara is loving it and won't challenge him on his views. He wouldn't get a free ride on most current affair programmes

dominatinMC · 06-11-2018 02:49PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

David Mc Williams, for an educated man, he can spout some rubbish. Ciara is loving it and won't challenge him on his views. He wouldn't get a free ride on most current affair programmes

What was he saying? He's usually quite good...

Sleeper12 · 06-11-2018 02:59PM

dominatinMC wrote:

What was he saying? He's usually quite good...

He tried to tie in the church losing its grip in the late 80s and early 90s to the starting of the boom in the economy.

Did not mention Alan Dukes and the Tallaght strategy, Ray Mc Sharry budgets and Bertie negotiating the first programme for government.

meeeeh · 06-11-2018 03:17PM

I'm not the biggest David McWilliams fan but I found his take on things interesting. I only half listened the interview today but I read the extract that was published couple of weeks ago in Irish Times. They were covering similar toppics today.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/david-mcwilliams-we-have-witnessed-the-d%C3%BAn-laoghaire-isation-of-ireland-1.3674049
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/david-mcwilliams-meet-sliotar-mom-dad-bod-and-the-stovelanders-1.3676777

Tell me how · 06-11-2018 03:26PM

I have always found him very much an expert on the sidelines.
"Here's what everyone is doing wrong" and "what we need to do is" but not actually how that can be done in our economy.

The use of catch-phrases to describe personalities in today's society is simplistic and not really accurate.

Sleeper12 · 06-11-2018 03:32PM

Our boom had nothing to do with how we voted on divorce or abortion. Our economy started to grow with good budgets & a program for government. We devalued our currency by 10 percent the 90s this helped spark more growth. Things grew slowly till the baby boomers came of age & needed housing in the mid 90s. Joining the single currency cut interest rares in half sparking more growth. These are all facts recognized by all economists

If he wants to go down the separating church & state road he needs to flip his thinking. It's much more likely that as the economy improved & we had real coinage in our pockets that we got more confident as a nation & started standing up to the church rather than we started to stand up to the church resulting in a better economy.

Pat Kenny would have questioned his thinking on this for certain

Sleeper12 · 06-11-2018 03:34PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm not the biggest David McWilliams fan but I found his take on things interesting. I only half listened the interview today but I read the extract that was published couple of weeks ago in Irish Times. They were covering similar toppics today.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/david-mcwilliams-we-have-witnessed-the-d%C3%BAn-laoghaire-isation-of-ireland-1.3674049
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/david-mcwilliams-meet-sliotar-mom-dad-bod-and-the-stovelanders-1.3676777

Yes. This is the nonsense he was peddling today.

ButtersSuki · 06-11-2018 04:32PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I have always found him very much an expert on the sidelines.
"Here's what everyone is doing wrong" and "what we need to do is" but not actually how that can be done Edit: in our economy.

Unlike "Ciara"?

The Bishop Basher · 07-11-2018 11:55AM

meeeeh wrote: »

You walk around a bit, see some locals doing local stuff, wonder how anyone can live like that and forget about it after you leave

Rennaws wrote: »

I stayed in Sean McDermott St flats. It was interesting and I still remember the experience vividly

Your armchair synopsis couldn't be further from the truth. It was an experience that left a lasting impression on me to this day and no doubt others who took part.

meeeeh wrote: »

I kind of see why it wasn't continued.

Well a quick google search would indicate that it's still happening in cities all over the world.

Only in Ireland it seems that we don't bother keeping up initiatives that might actually do some good.

Anyway, back on topic, I doubt Ciara will be visiting any halting sites any time soon let alone stay in one so it's all a bit moot...

meeeeh · 07-11-2018 11:59AM

Rennaws wrote: »

Your armchair synopsis couldn't be further from the truth. It was an experience that left a lasting impression on me to this day and no doubt ...

How many friends from that area do you have?

The Bishop Basher · 07-11-2018 01:59PM

meeeeh wrote: »

How many friends from that area do you have?

None now.

I stayed in contact with the mother for many years afterwards but she's dead a long time now..

The objective wasn't to make friends though if that's the point you're attempting to make.

I don't have friends in Foxrock or Rathgar either so I don't feel bad about not having friends in North Inner City Dublin.

But again we're well off topic so..

Back to Ciara..

i71jskz5xu42pb · 09-11-2018 01:24PM

Set the alarm clock early tomorrow morning, brew some coffee and sit down with the weekend edition of the times ...

https://twitter.com/OrrCollins/status/1060858194975748097

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 02:20PM

Milan Curved Madman wrote: »

Set the alarm clock early tomorrow morning, brew some coffee and sit down with the weekend edition of the times ...

https://twitter.com/OrrCollins/status/1060858194975748097

Patrick Freyne couldn’t grill sausages, let alone “Ciara”. I expect a Sindo-style puff piece.

09-11-2018 05:15PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Patrick Freyne couldn’t grill sausages, let alone “Ciara”. I expect a Sindo-style puff piece.

Grilled on what? Why shouldn't it be a puff piece? These kind of articles by presenters always are. Why should Ciara Kelly's be any different?

meeeeh · 09-11-2018 05:43PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Grilled on what? Why shouldn't it be a puff piece? These kind of articles by presenters always are. Why should Ciara Kelly's be any different?

Because ButtersSuki can't say anything nice about anyone and this was just another opportunity for a snide remark.

It's Magazine, it will be somewhere among recepies, sequins and Miriam Keynes talking about mascara. Hard hitting journalism isn't exactly what Irish Times Magazine is known for.

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 05:45PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Grilled on what? Why shouldn't it be a puff piece? These kind of articles by presenters always are. Why should Ciara Kelly's be any different?

You're right. Why should brave Ciara be subjected to any kind of questioning in an interview in a newspaper about her misandristic rants and comments; let alone dare to question her about her recent televised proclamation that she would no problem with travellers moving their caravans onto the street she lives in. Let's give her a free pass on everything because...yes, she is a woman. Why ask any questions at all? Why not just have Communicorp's PR Agency write the puff piece for Frayne to save time on the questions....and all that good stuff?

Let's not dare question anything. That will work out really well for everyone.

09-11-2018 05:57PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

You're right. Why should brave Ciara be subjected to any kind of questioning in an interview in a newspaper about her misandristic rants and comments; let alone dare to question her about her recent televised proclamation that she would no problem with travellers moving their caravans onto the street she lives in. Let's give her a free pass on everything because...yes, she is a woman. Why ask any questions at all? Why not just have Communicorp's PR Agency write the puff piece for Frayne to save time on the questions....and all that good stuff?

Let's not dare question anything. That will work out really well for everyone.

No, I'm asking why she should be treated differently to anyone else in that type of interview? Your personal irrationally, OTT ,hatred of the women isn't really a good enough reason.

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 06:26PM

Ahwell wrote: »

No, I'm asking why she should be treated differently to anyone else in that type of interview? Your personal irrationally, OTT ,hatred of the women isn't really a good enough reason.

Thanks for the free psychoanalysis there.

My “hatred of the women”? Please explain why I hate (a very strong word) “the women”? Is it all women? If you meant “woman” and it was a typo, please give me your evidence for my “hatred” of her. I don’t hate her, I just find her very unprofessional, an egomaniac, arrogant, and incredibly full of her own self-importance (as evidenced by her repeated failure to listen to many (note: not all) experts she has on her show instead attempting to shoe-horn her own opinion into a debate as of it were fact, which it is not)....and that’s before we dare discuss her continuous and almost non-stop male-bashing on the show.

Please show me evidence of my irrationality of my postings on Ciara. Or am I not allowed to have an opinion that you dislike?

Care to also comment on her profession that Travellers would be welcome with their caravsnsvon her street? Do you genuinely believe she meant that? I’m guessing you won’t.

Or did she perhaps get caught up in the moment and thought it would be the “cool”, PC, liberal thing to say at the time without thinking it though fully?

Likewise I’m guessing you won’t comment on the Male-bashing; or if you do, will you resort to the “bitter men” line who don’t like a woman having an opinion as recently posted on here?

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 06:31PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Because ButtersSuki can't say anything nice about anyone and this was just another opportunity for a snide remark.

It's Magazine, it will be somewhere among recepies, sequins and Miriam Keynes talking about mascara. Hard hitting journalism isn't exactly what Irish Times Magazine is known for.

For someone who has repeatedly claimed to be ignoring my posts you certainly read and comment on a lot of them.

I have lots of nice things to say about a lot of people actually.

If you’re going to call me out on snide remarks however, I have to say I bow to your superiority in that area as you’re much better at them than me. You are the master in this thread of getting personal when debating the host; only this week we were labelled “bitter little men” I believe was it?

JJayoo · 09-11-2018 06:33PM

Can't stand her

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 06:35PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Grilled on what? Why shouldn't it be a puff piece? These kind of articles by presenters always are. Why should Ciara Kelly's be any different?

meeeeh wrote: »

Because ButtersSuki can't say anything nice about anyone and this was just another opportunity for a snide remark.

It's Magazine, it will be somewhere among recepies, sequins and Miriam Keynes talking about mascara. Hard hitting journalism isn't exactly what Irish Times Magazine is known for.

I never said she should be treated differently btw. She's well suited to puff pieces and Magazine type fare. In fact it would be better for all if she stuck to Magazine type fare and stayed away from the serious stuff which she can't tackle objectively and impartially.

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 06:38PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Can't stand her

You can't say that on here JJayoo.

09-11-2018 06:42PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Please show me evidence of my irrationality of my postings on Ciara. Or am I not allowed to have an opinion that you dislike?

You're right, it was a typo. Isn't Ciara Kelly allowed to have opinions you dislike? You are, by far, the person with the highest number of posts in this thread. A thread about a presenter and a show you clearly dislike. That is not rational, i.e, it doesn't make sense.

ButtersSuki · 09-11-2018 06:52PM

Ahwell wrote: »

You're right, it was a typo. Isn't Ciara Kelly allowed to have opinions you dislike? You are, by far, the person with the highest number of posts in this thread. A thread about a presenter and a show you clearly dislike. That is not rational, i.e, it doesn't make sense.

I post here because I feel the need to balance out the Ciara Kelly love-in from some posters TBH.

Of course she's allowed to have a different opinion to me; but like you're attempting to call me out on mine, I am free to call her out on hers, esp. when she displays gross hypocrisy and double standards on male/female issues, her man-hating, and likewise I am free to comment about her presenting style and unprofessionalism.

As for your comment about me being the person with the highest number of posts in this thread:
I doubt I am, but TBH, if you went to the trouble to check that and then say my behaviour is irrational and doesn't make sense then I think you need to google "irony".

And as predicted, no comment from you on Kelly's traveller comment though. What a surprise......

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