Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Mastermcgrath · 30-10-2018 09:58AM

Deiseen wrote: »

Just because something didnt work 20 years ago, doesn't mean it won't work now...

No but 20 years is only a short week in county board terms.

It failed because of a) fixture congestion and b) lack of funding to run the teams. Can you honestly say that things are any different now

Mastermcgrath · 30-10-2018 10:00AM

hardybuck wrote: »

De La Salle should be comfortably a senior football outfit if they got their act together and if some more of the hurlers got some encouragement to play football.

Mount Sion, Roanmore, Erin's Own, Ferrybank etc., you'd imagine there would be lads that'd love to play on a decent senior team if the option was available.

If the west of the county was as poor at hurling as the east is at football, and contributing players to the county sides, there would have been a task force established to tackle the issue long ago.

You’d do well to make a decent junior team out of those clubs never mind senior

hardybuck · 30-10-2018 10:11AM

Mount Sion were a decent junior side on and off for a few years. Roanmore had lads on the county minors a couple of years ago - you'd wonder if they still play the game even. Ferrybank had lads on the county panel when Jackson was manager.

All of those clubs have good membership but obviously aren't too bothered about the game. Half the senior clubs are working from tiny player bases.

PTH2009 · 31-10-2018 01:45PM

Where are we playing our home league games next year ??

If the Walsh Park redevelopment is put on hold we will prob play Offaly/Galway there and play the Carlow game under lights in Fraher Field

ready4liftoff · 31-10-2018 03:59PM

As a Clare man, I'm very interested in the debate regarding football in Waterford that posters here are having. Like Clare, Waterford is a dual county but seemingly like our inept county board in the Banner county, it doesn't get any where near enough resources that football needs to thrive in both counties. But the Fr. Manning Cup, an U-16 competition which is currently taking place at the moment, might give those football followers in the Deise county, some hope for the future. The Waterford U16's won all their three matches against a much improved Kilkenny team, Wexford and Carlow, in the last 3 weeks. The Deise men will take on Wicklow, on this Saturday, for a place in the cup final against the winners of Longford and Sligo.

Fair play to the Waterford U16 Footballers and I understand there has been a huge effort going on, to improve standards in underage football in Waterford. Best of luck to you for the future, not just on Saturday, as I always root what I would call the "developing counties" rather than what the pro-Dublin media would like to call the "weaker counties". The term "weaker" is deeply insulting to those coaches throughout the country, trying to improve football in counties, not known for success in the big ball, but feel disrespected by that "weaker counties" narrative that lazy media rags, like to splash out in the public domain.

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 04:07PM

ready4liftoff wrote: »

Fair play to the Waterford U16 Footballers and I understand there has been a huge effort going on, to improve standards in underage football in Waterford. Best of luck to you for the future, not just on Saturday, as I always root what I would call the "developing counties" rather than what the pro-Dublin media would like to call the "weaker counties". The term "weaker" is deeply insulting to those coaches throughout the country, trying to improve football in counties, not known for success in the big ball, but feel disrespected by that "weaker counties" narrative that lazy media rags, like to splash out in the public domain.

Pro-Dublin media? That's a new one, any evidence to back up such a ludicrous claim.

And the term weaker is perfectly apt, it is exactly what the counties being referenced are, this faux offence is very tiresome.

hardybuck · 31-10-2018 04:21PM

ready4liftoff wrote: »

As a Clare man, I'm very interested in the debate regarding football in Waterford that posters here are having. Like Clare, Waterford is a dual county but seemingly like our inept county board in the Banner county, it doesn't get any where near enough resources that football needs to thrive in both counties. But the Fr. Manning Cup, an U-16 competition which is currently taking place at the moment, might give those football followers in the Deise county, some hope for the future. The Waterford U16's won all their three matches against a much improved Kilkenny team, Wexford and Carlow, in the last 3 weeks. The Deise men will take on Wicklow, on this Saturday, for a place in the cup final against the winners of Longford and Sligo.

Fair play to the Waterford U16 Footballers and I understand there has been a huge effort going on, to improve standards in underage football in Waterford. Best of luck to you for the future, not just on Saturday, as I always root what I would call the "developing counties" rather than what the pro-Dublin media would like to call the "weaker counties". The term "weaker" is deeply insulting to those coaches throughout the country, trying to improve football in counties, not known for success in the big ball, but feel disrespected by that "weaker counties" narrative that lazy media rags, like to splash out in the public domain.

Thanks for that update. In years past Waterford would never go into a game at underage level against any team in Munster bar Cork and Kerry and feel they didn't have a great chance to win. That extended to most of the south Leinster counties also.

Waterford definitely are a weaker county, we're one of the weakest. Rather than developing, we've regressed quite a lot in the last ten years. The county board and a lot of the clubs have very little respect for the game or the teams they send out, so when you have that it's very hard to expect others to respect you.

ready4liftoff · 31-10-2018 04:35PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

Pro-Dublin media? That's a new one, any evidence to back up such a ludicrous claim.

And the term weaker is perfectly apt, it is exactly what the counties being referenced are, this faux offence is very tiresome.

The Indo, Sindo, The Star, Irish Daily Mail and The Herald are just some of the rags that are very much in the everything is well when Dublin go well camp. I love the Dublin footballers actually pogue eile and how they go about their business. Look at those failed newspapers very carefully and you will see why they are very much called "pro-Dublin media".

This thread is about Waterford GAA. My point was about how well the Waterford U16 footballers are getting on, in a competition that will be of huge benefit to them for the future. I stand firm that the term "weaker counties" is derogatory for all the coaches in both development squads and clubs and GDA's, who are doing their upmost best, to promote football in counties, where football is not the number 1 priority with county boards throughout the country.

I will not get sidetracked at all, or change my position on that "weaker county" argument. That is such an lazy narrative that only turns people away from the game. By the way I always support football more than hurling, which isn't the most popular thing to say in Clare, but that's the way I feel.

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 04:48PM

ready4liftoff wrote: »

The Indo, Sindo, The Star, Irish Daily Mail and The Herald are just some of the rags that are very much in the everything is well when Dublin go well camp. I love the Dublin footballers actually pogue eile and how they go about their business. Look at those failed newspapers very carefully and you will see why they are very much called "pro-Dublin media".

This thread is about Waterford GAA. My point was about how well the Waterford U16 footballers are getting on, in a competition that will be of huge benefit to them for the future. I stand firm that the term "weaker counties" is derogatory for all the coaches in both development squads and clubs and GDA's, who are doing their upmost best, to promote football in counties, where football is not the number 1 priority with county boards throughout the country.

I will not get sidetracked at all, or change my position on that "weaker county" argument. That is such an lazy narrative that only turns people away from the game. By the way I always support football more than hurling, which isn't the most popular thing to say in Clare, but that's the way I feel.

I asked for evidence not a list of newspapers, the media covers more that print btw. You then proceed to label them as failed rags but take offence of the use of the term weaker, double standards how are you.

And if you can honestly argue that Waterfrod are not a weker county in fooball then you either need a new dictionary or climb down off that high horse.

hardybuck · 31-10-2018 04:50PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

I asked for evidence not a list of newspapers, the media covers more that print btw. You then proceed to label them as failed rags but take offence of the use of the term weaker, double standards how are you.

And if you can honestly argue that Waterfrod are not a weker county in fooball then you either need a new dictionary or climb down off that high horse.

Steady on, the lad is trying to be a bit positive and defend counties like ours.

It's an unfortunate term, I don't like it, but I do think in our case it's accurate however.

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 04:55PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Steady on, the lad is trying to be a bit positive and defend counties like ours.

It's an unfortunate term, I don't like it, but I do think in our case it's accurate however.

It's completly missing the point though, until the counties themselvs except where they stand and take the appropriate measures the divide will never be addressed. Weaker does not have to have a negative connotation.

When there is a substantial gap between the fortunes of a county from code to code it's fairly obvious where the blame applies. Tipperary are a perfect example of a county that identified the problem and took the neccessary steps to address it, Clare have done similar to a lesser degree.

hardybuck · 31-10-2018 05:13PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

It's completly missing the point though, until the counties themselvs except where they stand and take the appropriate measures the divide will never be addressed. Weaker does not have to have a negative connotation.

When there is a substantial gap between the fortunes of a county from code to code it's fairly obvious where the blame applies. Tipperary are a perfect example of a county that identified the problem and took the neccessary steps to address it, Clare have done similar to a lesser degree.

The counties themselves absolutely need to address the issue themselves, but with an appropriate level of funding support from HQ.

Dublin themselves addressed their unfulfilled potential by hard work on the ground, paid for via a massive increase in investment by the GAA.

Different counties will inevitably have more tradition in one code, or in most cases they're a football county and not a hurling county. Some of the counties' approach to hurling is really appalling.

But to summarise, I agree with most of your points, if Waterford are ever going to improve the solutions need to be found locally, but they might need to be paid for centrally.

Deisegodeo · 31-10-2018 11:25PM

Congrats on your graduation Dr Noel Connors! 9 years in college is some stint in fairness

Gardner · 01-11-2018 11:34AM

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Congrats on your graduation Dr Noel Connors! 9 years in college is some stint in fairness

he will need a Doctor to get out of some of the jeans he wears

PTH2009 · 03-11-2018 05:23PM

defeat for Clonea in the Munster Intermediate Club Hurling semi final

Feakle (Clare) 5-15- Clonea 2-15

In other news Mattie Kenny has been named new Dublin senior Hurling manager. We will see what we missed first hand

Mulbert · 04-11-2018 12:06AM

How will we see this?

Mulbert · 04-11-2018 12:09AM

Sure if Cuala were still in the AI club he wouldn't their manager.

windy shepard henderson · 04-11-2018 04:03AM

Daly was in line for the job in dublin , i imagine the poor showing in both county finals by kilmacud swung it against dalo they were under par the first day brutal the second against an inferior side

Mattie kenny should have been given the Dublin job last year , the board up there wanted daly or fitz though both were approched over the offseason

windy shepard henderson · 04-11-2018 04:09AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

defeat for Clonea in the Munster Intermediate Club Hurling semi final

Feakle (Clare) 5-15- Clonea 2-15

In other news Mattie Kenny has been named new Dublin senior Hurling manager. We will see what we missed first hand

Thats a deacent feakle side , shane mcgrath is a serious hurler up here as is quilligan the goal keeper and the bane brothers ,

The clare championship is very competive they lost by a point to ballyea in the senior championship 2 years ago at the semi final stage ballyea won munster , feakle picked up a few injures and got relegated last year clonea were probably up against today

mountgomery burns · 04-11-2018 11:39AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Thats a deacent feakle side , shane mcgrath is a serious hurler up here as is quilligan the goal keeper and the bane brothers ,

The clare championship is very competive they lost by a point to ballyea in the senior championship 2 years ago at the semi final stage ballyea won munster , feakle picked up a few injures and got relegated last year clonea were probably up against today

Had a man sent off early on, probably had a bearing on the result.

KevIRL · 04-11-2018 03:03PM

Ballygunner 0-9 ballyea 1-9 half time. Tony Kelly on fire

KevIRL · 04-11-2018 03:51PM

Philip Mahony last minute goal to send it to extra time. 2-17 each

KevIRL · 04-11-2018 04:44PM

2-26 to 2-23 after two lots of extra time. BG win

puzl · 04-11-2018 04:59PM

Exhausted... What a game. A shame the loser's year is over... Neither side had nothing left to give but pure grit

KevIRL · 04-11-2018 05:13PM

Adare 0-4 The Nire 1-10 HT

cul beag · 04-11-2018 05:15PM

Some bottle. Some battle. Credit to both teams on a fantastic game. Congrats to Ballygunner.

KevIRL · 04-11-2018 06:04PM

KevIRL wrote: »

Adare 0-4 The Nire 1-10 HT

0-12 1-18 FT

Deisegodeo · 04-11-2018 06:16PM

Absolute epic of a game in Walsh Park, Ballygunner looked dead and buried at the end of normal time, needing that lat gasp goal to force extra time. I thought they were the better team in extra time and deservedly won. Awful hard on Ballyea to lose that game, both sides put so much into it today. Some value for money there today for that €15 in!

Also massive well done to Beth Carton on winning Waterford's first ever Camogie All-Star, super achievement.

Great win for the Nire too today, good weekend for Waterford GAA.

PTH2009 · 04-11-2018 08:03PM

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Absolute epic of a game in Walsh Park, Ballygunner looked dead and buried at the end of normal time, needing that lat gasp goal to force extra time. I thought they were the better team in extra time and deservedly won. Awful hard on Ballyea to lose that game, both sides put so much into it today. Some value for money there today for that €15 in!

Also massive well done to Beth Carton on winning Waterford's first ever Camogie All-Star, super achievement.

Great win for the Nire too today, good weekend for Waterford GAA.

Yeah great weekend for Waterford GAA

Ballygunner need too improve a lot too beat NP in the final who were very impressive today. One thing about BG is they don't give up and will fight til the very end. Woild love to see them win In 2 weeks time and go into the AI series

Great win for the Nire too and they now face the Clare champs in the semis

Waterford senior hurlers back training next week I've heard. No news on who's in the squad

thesaturdayman · 04-11-2018 09:23PM

Seems all is not totally lost for Carriganore yet Sunday independent reporting WIT have extended an olive branch.

To miss this bus again would be criminal.

http://indo.ie/NQXu30muwqg

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