Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

tretorn · 03-11-2018 12:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are joining the 'we want a 'discussion' but we don't want any challenge to the discussion' gang is it?
I can see why this gang are upset Casey got challenged last night. :rolleyes:

People are upset because Tubridy presented a non threatening group of travellers to the country last night. I predicted this is what he would do but it’s another kick in the teeth to rural people to see this response by the national broadcaster to the misery that led to them voting for Casey.

If the majority of the thirty thousand travellers are good law abiding citizens who go to college and then work why did 347,000 people vote for Peter Casey.

RTE should remember who pays the licence fee and who doesn’t.

Tubridy and his rude questions about where Casey got his money, I think this was the first question asked. Tubridy is on a huge salary and every licence payer is being fleeced to pay for his nose in the trough. He isn’t afraid to leave his house in case someone arrives pretending to be selling something but in reality looking for an opportunity to rob it.

Why didn’t Tubridy ask the travellers how come many appear to be wealthy but officially the vast majority claim welfare payments, if its ok to ask Casey where he made his money then ask the travellers the same question.

Discodog · 03-11-2018 12:37PM

BBC Watchdog Rouge Traders highlighted the problem with Traveller gangs. One gang were collecting rubbish at £200 a load, taking it back to their illegal "camp", filling every square foot & then moving to a new "camp" when it's full.
One field took £100,000 to clear.

tayto lover · 03-11-2018 12:44PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ThMli08zEMk

Pavee point please come on here and explain to us what is going on here, outside a garda station no doubt

Culture.

NasserShammaz · 03-11-2018 12:46PM

Gwan Daddi

maxwell smart · 03-11-2018 12:52PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Culture.

I for one am glad my taxation is supporting this important piece of performance street art

tayto lover · 03-11-2018 12:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How much more articulate do you need to be?

There is nothing beyond stating the 'soundbytes' since Casey started. He falls apart when questioned on his opinions.
Evidenced again last night.

I am still laughing at the 'Phoenix Park' interlude and the idea that a mouthful like that could be defended or expanded on. Pure hate based rethoric designed to rabble rouse. And again, it has been successful to a degree, but I reckon there are a lot of IQ's considering their positions at the moment across the country.

I'd say that after last night's epic fail by RTE Casey's vote would be much higher if the Presidential election was next week.
As I said to you numerous times now they keep shooting the messenger but are very much afraid of the message. You are also addressing the wrong IQ's. Look inwards Francie.

suicide_circus · 03-11-2018 12:54PM

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Gwan Daddi

Gwen Stefani

Edward M · 03-11-2018 12:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are joining the 'we want a 'discussion' but we don't want any challenge to the discussion' gang is it?
I can see why this gang are upset Casey got challenged last night. :rolleyes:

By whom?
We had an irate tubs, three travellers in the audience spoke and asked questions, not another person contributed or was asked to.
A bad farce and the only one who came out of it with any credibility was Casey.
No big audience boo's or demands he shut up, in fact a warm round of applause when he entered and at the end of his interview.
But keep the faith there Francie.
http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/25515

NasserShammaz · 03-11-2018 12:59PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Gwen Stefani

Whos Fanny

The Bishop Basher · 03-11-2018 01:00PM

listermint wrote: »

He was the most suited out of the crop of people applying.

That is my opinion.

Casey gave no one a voice they don't already have. These same people are not bothered voting for new parties . So they aren't too bothered about their voice. Protest vote with zero results.

Get off their arse and start campaigning to councillors and TDs if they want change.

Or dish out pointless protest votes when they get activated at a perceived bogey man.

Look at the protest vote in the UK millions voting for themselves to be put out of work.again a perceived bogey man. The EU

You are demonstrating a staggering ignorance of the political system in this country.

The main parties have it sewn up which is why it's near impossible for new parties to form let alone actually get anywhere near power.

We don't have a functioning democracy.

We don't even have a functioning government at the moment.

And they get away with it because this country is made up of people like you who can't think for themselves and just spout the establishment line because that's all they know as they vote for the party their parents voted for.

It's pathetic but thankfully this way of thinking is slowly dying away as the older generations die off..

Roll on the Peter Casey's and plenty more like him..

People are done. The liberals have over done it..

The days of political correctness are coming to an end.

Seathrun66 · 03-11-2018 01:03PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ThMli08zEMk

Pavee point please come on here and explain to us what is going on here, outside a garda station no doubt

Traveller v Non-Traveller fight. Both deserving of criminal charges.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 03-11-2018 01:04PM

i thought mary robinson was very good

tayto lover · 03-11-2018 01:06PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i thought mary robinson was very good

At what?

NasserShammaz · 03-11-2018 01:08PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i thought mary robinson was very good

Was she fighting too

blinding · 03-11-2018 01:09PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Sinn Fein could have organised a better ambush against Casey, lots of experience to draw on.

Even with everything in their favour rte shot themselves in both feet .

Had they the Balaclavas on the wrong way around ?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 03-11-2018 01:09PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Traveller v Non-Traveller fight. Both deserving of criminal charges.

a fine exhibition of their much vaunted culture

Seathrun66 · 03-11-2018 01:10PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTEOne/status/1058479139315965952

So Tubridy is nice to the globalist, open borders hack who wants everyone vegan and who has never worked in her life; a complete intellectual charlatan for a group of people that don't have Irish interests in mind, yet he tries to play the tough lad on Casey?

Casey came out of that mess well.

He's doing what Trump does in relation to media:

1: Say something true or what is seen to be true in a hilarious way.
2: Get the left/the media to freak the fùck out over it.
3: Hold your position, let them make an arse of themselves, and let people see how much of a freak these people are.
4: More people come over to your position/agree with you.

Case in point:

https://twitter.com/Donal_OKeeffe/status/1058505518854094848

He will gain in popularity after this and if he follows the above pattern, he'll do even better.

Robinson when campaigning or in office never denigrated any of the people she was representing.

And she worked for 23 years before assuming the presidency, but why let facts get in the way of belligerent ignorance?

MFPM · 03-11-2018 01:10PM

tretorn wrote: »

People are upset because Tubridy presented a non threatening group of travellers to the country last night. I predicted this is what he would do but it’s another kick in the teeth to rural people to see this response by the national broadcaster to the misery that led to them voting for Casey.

If the majority of the thirty thousand travellers are good law abiding citizens who go to college and then work why did 347,000 people vote for Peter Casey.

RTE should remember who pays the licence fee and who doesn’t.

Tubridy and his rude questions about where Casey got his money, I think this was the first question asked. Tubridy is on a huge salary and every licence payer is being fleeced to pay for his nose in the trough. He isn’t afraid to leave his house in case someone arrives pretending to be selling something but in reality looking for an opportunity to rob it.

Why didn’t Tubridy ask the travellers how come many appear to be wealthy but officially the vast majority claim welfare payments, if its ok to ask Casey where he made his money then ask the travellers the same question.

You do like your generalities, don't you?

People are upset

What 'people' are upset?

non threatening group of travellers to the country last night.

So you're unhappy that he didn't have people that might suit your stereotype?

ut it’s another kick in the teeth to rural people to see this response by the national broadcaster to the misery that led to them voting for Casey.

Again with the homogeneity....'rural people' voted overwhelmingly for other candidates notably MDH, so your 'analysis' is a little askew to say the least.

If the majority of the thirty thousand travellers are good law abiding citizens who go to college and then work why did 347,000 people vote for Peter Casey.

People voted for Casey for a number of reasons but of course his scapegoating of travellers played a role which resulted in sections of Irish society voting for him but there's always a minority who will echo dog whistle politics, - are you suggesting that everybody who voted for Trump is a misogynistic, racist arseho!e? Clearly they're not but if one took a lazy analysis of his vote that's a conclusion one could reach.

RTE should remember who pays the licence fee and who doesn’t.

What does that mean? I pay a TV licence and I wouldn't vote for an incoherent pampered, privileged millionaire like Casey in a fit.

Tubridy and his rude questions about where Casey got his money, I think this was the first question asked. Tubridy is on a huge salary and every licence payer is being fleeced to pay for his nose in the trough. He isn’t afraid to leave his house in case someone arrives pretending to be selling something but in reality looking for an opportunity to rob it.

So Casey can give it but not take it, is that what you're suggesting? Given that Casey has made generalsied attacks on people, he's fair game for questions on his income - I'd be interested to see how much corporate welfare he and his companies have received?

Why didn’t Tubridy ask the travellers how come many appear to be wealthy but officially the vast majority claim welfare payments, if its ok to ask Casey where he made his money then ask the travellers the same question.

Perhaps because Casey was the subject of the interview and not Travellers, secondly, Casey was being asked a question about his own finances, you are suggesting Tubridy ask people about how other unnamed people earn their money, could you answer that question for your local community or is it only appropriate for Travellers because they're all the same, aren't they?

blinding · 03-11-2018 01:13PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i thought mary robinson was very good

Milking the Public Teat . Jaysus , Her self and Money D are the best Milkers in the Country . Machine Money Milkers . (MMMs):eek:

Potential-Monke · 03-11-2018 01:16PM

I stayed up to watch Peter Casey last night. Aside from the fact that I wanted to murder Tubridy by the time they brought him on (how do people listen to him for any length of time is beyond me), there was a few points made.

Casey done quite well at not answering the question directly, so there's already a touch of politician in him. But he won me over with his line about running the country like a business. He's spot on. I'm sure the Navy and Air Force won't be happy, but he has a point there. I did feel he was under the influence of something, but maybe that's just how he is. My parents (70+) were very impressed with him and may vote for him going forward. I did feel though that he was cornered, Tubridy was against him, no doubt, and 3 travellers. And who was doing the most shouting in the audience when they weren't getting their way? Yeah.

He's not someone I will straight out vote for right now, but I want to see where he's going. He has me interested in voting again, but i'm not sure if I like his intent to go with FF, but I can understand why as someone stated above, the big parties have it tied up so it would be extremely hard to get a new party into power. I don't care who he's with tbh, as long as he does what he intends to do.

Also loved the uproar and obvious disgust in Tubs voice when Casey suggested travellers go to Phoenix Park. It would never happen, too many vested interests and regardless of what anyone says, there's no way anyone in RTE or anyone with a bit of wealth would like to see Travellers taking over Phoenix Park. I'd love to see it, just so the rest of the country could see what actually happens at halting sites.

Seathrun66 · 03-11-2018 01:20PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

The United Nations document. They're trying to centralize and make migration a human right. Link to the document:

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/default/files/180713_agreed_outcome_global_compact_for_migration.pdf

International cooperation: The Global Compact is a non-legally binding cooperative framework that recognizes that no State can address migration on its own due to the inherently transnational nature of the phenomenon. It requires international, regional and bilateral cooperation and dialogue. Its authority rests on its consensual nature, credibility, collective
ownership, joint implementation, follow-up and review.

National sovereignty: The Global Compact reaffirms the sovereign right of States to determine their national migration policy and their prerogative to govern migration within their jurisdiction, in conformity with international law. Within their sovereign jurisdiction, States may distinguish between regular and irregular migration status, including as they determine their legislative and policy measures for the implementation of the Global Compact, taking into account different national realities, policies, priorities and requirements for entry, residence and work, in accordance with international law.

People like Mary Robinson are moving towards centralizing the movement of people across different countries. So when I say, open borders and globalism, that is completely true.

You do know that’s not a UN document, don’t you? Drafted under the auspices of the UN but not in any way official. Happens with hundreds of papers yearly that are then put up for review. Don’t mislead people.

nullzero · 03-11-2018 01:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Culture.

Doin' no harm to nobody.

mfceiling · 03-11-2018 01:24PM

listermint wrote: »

We don't have and never had a left government.

Do you even know what a left government is.?

It's this sort of foolish rethoric that really makes it painful to debate with someone.

Here is the real problem people like you labelling centerist governments as left. People like you labelling anything that isn't ultra conservative as left. Anything remotely social is left. If you had your way we'd have no healthcare at all like people in the States.

You are devisive you are deviding people your rethoric your pretending to be the victim. Oh no people won't let me say what I want to say.

Heres a news flash for you. We live in an open democracy. No one is keeping you down.no one is stopping you saying anything you want. There is no reality that backs up your statements.

If you view not being a prick in public as being too liberal then I'd scratch my head at what sort of nation you want to live in. Because there is people that fought and died for the freedom you have today and they are ten times the person.

Why is there a move to the right in politics?

Is mass immigration a great idea for a country or countries that are struggling to house their citizens?

Where is the money going to come from for the additional strain on resources?

Will there be proper employment opportunities, education, health care and housing for the new migrant population?

There has been a shift to the left in Europe in the last 2 decades....it hasn't worked particularly well. It's moving back towards the right. Maybe in another 20 years it might move left again?

Seathrun66 · 03-11-2018 01:25PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Fun fact - the mayo Bourke family she comes from were major slave holders.

Source?

tretorn · 03-11-2018 01:25PM

MFPM wrote: »

You do like your generalities, don't you?

What 'people' are upset?

So you're unhappy that he didn't have people that might suit your stereotype?

Again with the homogeneity....'rural people' voted overwhelmingly for other candidates notably MDH, so your 'analysis' is a little askew to say the least.

People voted for Casey for a number of reasons but of course his scapegoating of travellers played a role which resulted in sections of Irish society voting for him but there's always a minority who will echo dog whistle politics, - are you suggesting that everybody who voted for Trump is a misogynistic, racist arseho!e? Clearly they're not but if one took a lazy analysis of his vote that's a conclusion one could reach.

What does that mean? I pay a TV licence and I wouldn't vote for an incoherent pampered, privileged millionaire like Casey in a fit.

So Casey can give it but not take it, is that what you're suggesting? Given that Casey has made generalsied attacks on people, he's fair game for questions on his income - I'd be interested to see how much corporate welfare he and his companies have received?

Perhaps because Casey was the subject of the interview and not Travellers, secondly, Casey was being asked a question about his own finances, you are suggesting Tubridy ask people about how other unnamed people earn their money, could you answer that question for your local community or is it only appropriate for Travellers because they're all the same, aren't they?

Casey didnt make attacks on anyone.

He said he couldnt understand why travellers got ethnic status and can you reply to the question I put previously.

What is there about their culture that is deserving of ethnic status, why is it being proposed that my children should learn about their culture in school. How would you fill even one lesson time if after hundreds of posts here no one can explain what traveller culture is.

The rest of your post is just nonsense and its people like you are the major stumbling block in the State not enforcing the right of traveller children to a decent lifestyle beginning with their right to education being enforced without exception even if that means a Garda escort to school in the morning.

Keep on keeping on the way you are going and in twenty years time the current travellers infants will mostly still be uneducated and therefore unemployable and untrustworthy. The girls will still be taken out of school at sixteen and married off because their parents have ensured they have no escape route because they have been denied an education, the resistance to education is probably mostly coming from male travellers because how can they exert their dominance through their fists if their wives and daughters have economic independence and arent pregnant every nine months from age sixteen.

ETA, people voted for Casey for one reason and one reason only and that was to do with real concerns about travellers.

If you look at the pattern of voting Caseys main support came from areas where travellers are present in large numbers, things have never been worse between travellers and people who abide for the most part rules in civi society and for the most part dont cause problems for their neighbours.

Its time now to stop Government funding of Pavee Point, its serving no purpose, for the love of God wouldnt you think someone from that outfit would acknowledge that the travellers are responsible for Peter Caseys success and no point in deflecting the elephant in the room by shouting racism. Own up to the effects members of your community are having on rural Ireland for the love of God.

The Bishop Basher · 03-11-2018 01:26PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Also loved the uproar and obvious disgust in Tubs voice when Casey suggested travellers go to Phoenix Park. It would never happen, too many vested interests and regardless of what anyone says, there's no way anyone in RTE or anyone with a bit of wealth would like to see Travellers taking over Phoenix Park. I'd love to see it, just so the rest of the country could see what actually happens at halting sites.

I have visions of Mickey D shouting over the Aras wall at 3am asking the lads if they could "keep it down a bit" :pac:

Seathrun66 · 03-11-2018 01:26PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Fun fact - the mayo Bourke family she comes from were major slave holders.

Source?

listermint · 03-11-2018 01:27PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

The United Nations document. They're trying to centralize and make migration a human right. Link to the document:

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/default/files/180713_agreed_outcome_global_compact_for_migration.pdf

International cooperation: The Global Compact is a non-legally binding cooperative framework that recognizes that no State can address migration on its own due to the inherently transnational nature of the phenomenon. It requires international, regional and bilateral cooperation and dialogue. Its authority rests on its consensual nature, credibility, collective
ownership, joint implementation, follow-up and review.

National sovereignty: The Global Compact reaffirms the sovereign right of States to determine their national migration policy and their prerogative to govern migration within their jurisdiction, in conformity with international law. Within their sovereign jurisdiction, States may distinguish between regular and irregular migration status, including as they determine their legislative and policy measures for the implementation of the Global Compact, taking into account different national realities, policies, priorities and requirements for entry, residence and work, in accordance with international law.

People like Mary Robinson are moving towards centralizing the movement of people across different countries. So when I say, open borders and globalism, that is completely true.

What are you even talking about ?

That is literally rethoric the document days nothing if he sort.

Are you seriously saying we are looking for open borders. Is that your argument . This is the lies like bendy bananas that started brexit problems .

Seathrun66 · 03-11-2018 01:28PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Now even the Irish times saying how we have gone to the left. Leo the leftist liar. If a party like renua can get 15-20% of vote, it would throw a hand grenade into Irish politics ...

Michael D is left. Leo is not. C’mon man, do some basic research.

Wanderer78 · 03-11-2018 01:28PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Why is there a move to the right in politics?

Is mass immigration a great idea for a country or countries that are struggling to house their citizens?

Where is the money going to come from for the additional strain on resources?

Will there be proper employment opportunities, education, health care and housing for the new migrant population?

There has been a shift to the left in Europe in the last 2 decades....it hasn't worked particularly well. It's moving back towards the right. Maybe in another 20 years it might move left again?

by any chance would we be moving further right than our current position?

there has been a shift towards a more neoliberial/neoclassical europe of the last couple of decades, a move in which left leaning parties have been equally compliced in

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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