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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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  • #8732
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Casey will be silenced by our wonderfully impartial media.

    They have been told to silence him, and they will. RTE I'm watching you. Well I can choose to read other MSM but I have no choice with RTE because of the license fee.

    As party leader he will be able to do party political broadcasts on behalf of Fianna Fail in the election.


  • #8733
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    By far and away the most satisfying element to the Casey campaign,is just how it caught-out the mainstream Irish Media,particularly the RTE-IrishTimes axis of weevil.

    That 20% figure,342,000 First Preference votes....has really presented them with the most difficult of conundrums possible....how to retain their credibility and maintain a pretence of informing,and reflecting the views of their readers/viewers/listeners.

    One only has to peep into the vast fiery,doom laden conflagration,that is Fintan O Toole's vista of Post Casey Ireland,to see how wrong they called it,not for the first time either,BUT the first time they have been found out....:)

    There's only one way to recover from this,for the sitting Media tenants,and that is to comprehensively rewrite histry....a process which,I imagine,is already in hand :D

    Excellent summary.


  • #8734
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Casey to be on the Late Late on Friday. Is Tubridy a traveller lover?


  • #8735
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And some people know how easy that is to do, because it has historic resonances. Get on a populist hate pulpit and start preaching = easy votes.
    I require my media to be critical of such stunts btw. So no surprise here when they are.

    He really did'nt have much opportunity for "Preaching" though,did he ?

    He never mentioned this "Hate" thing you and others,constantly reference.

    He posed questions,that were being whispered throughout the country,and when the media thought their microphones had malfunctioned,he went and repeated the questions.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly,the same media then,as you suggest went into "critical" mode,without really having anything concrete to be critical about.

    Now,a critical media may well be your media,but I prefer an investigative approach initially before taking any decision to criticise or support.

    Peter Casey ain't no messiah,hell,he is'nt even serious enough to be a "real" Politician,he's only a Millionaire,Billionaire or whatever,and thus guaranteed to have provided a constitutional crisis when the first PBP Ministers rocked up to collect their Seals of Office.....jeepers,how close we came to having some REAL Craic in the Country !!!! :D

    Populist hate Pulpit,yea,right....this populist stuff must be popular then,is it ? ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #8736
    Victor Meldrew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Victor Meldrew


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    By far and away the most satisfying element to the Casey campaign,is just how it caught-out the mainstream Irish Media,particularly the RTE-IrishTimes axis of weevil.

    That 20% figure,342,000 First Preference votes....has really presented them with the most difficult of conundrums possible....how to retain their credibility and maintain a pretence of informing,and reflecting the views of their readers/viewers/listeners.

    One only has to peep into the vast fiery,doom laden conflagration,that is Fintan O Toole's vista of Post Casey Ireland,to see how wrong they called it,not for the first time either,BUT the first time they have been found out....:)

    There's only one way to recover from this,for the sitting Media tenants,and that is to comprehensively rewrite histry....a process which,I imagine,is already in hand :D

    It would have been great to also see the numbers of second and third preferences he may have got too. Pity the tallymen were not about...

    If MDH had got sub 50% we would have been into transfers.....


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  • #8737
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    doylefe wrote: »
    Casey to be on the Late Late on Friday. Is Tubridy a traveller lover?

    He gets a lot of airtime on RTE.


  • #8738
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    tretorn wrote: »
    Officially yes but watch this space should a ten bay halting site be proposed for Monkstown.

    There are travellers camping by the pier in Dunlaoghaire and I kid you not but some poor devils who go swimming at Seapoint had their clothes knicked. Their towels were knicked too so they had to hop up and down in their togs and then make their way home in wet gear.

    Good place for an official halting site then.


  • #8739
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Good place for an official halting site then.

    It will never happen, too many influential people including judges living in the area.

    The council wont buy houses up either because they are too expensive so you can buy a property and be confident that the council arent going to install anti social tenants beside you.


  • #8740
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,355 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Connors is crying over on Twitter about Casey being on the LLS tomorrow.


  • #8741
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    tretorn wrote: »
    It will never happen, too many influential people including judges living in the area.

    The council wont buy houses up either because they are too expensive so you can buy a property and be confident that the council arent going to install anti social tenants beside you.
    I'm sure those judges have enough interaction with travellers at work :)


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  • #8742
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Casey would be wise to wary. wouldn't surprise me if Tubs and RTE stitch him up and pack the audience with Travelers or even invite Mr Connors on and ambush him


  • #8743
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    No way in hell are halting sites going into Monkstown, there is lots of land in Cherrywood so the council will probably stick a few up there.


  • #8744
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    tretorn wrote: »
    No way in hell are halting sites going into Monkstown, there is lots of land in Cherrywood so the council will probably stick a few up there.

    No chance , Loads of RTE lushes live there, now its one thing having them on the telly but living near you, one must protest


  • #8745
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,869 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Casey would be wise to wary. wouldn't surprise me if Tubs and RTE stitch him up and pack the audience with Travelers or even invite Mr Connors on and ambush him

    Isn't Mr Connors finished with trying to make Ireland a better place and leaving?

    Glazers Out!



  • #8746
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    doylefe wrote: »
    Casey to be on the Late Late on Friday. Is Tubridy a traveller lover?

    Just a shout out to watch the greyhound.

    There will be nothing like the 23% representation in the audience. All manufactured for WATCH LLS.


  • #8747
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Casey would be wise to wary. wouldn't surprise me if Tubs and RTE stitch him up and pack the audience with Travelers or even invite Mr Connors on and ambush him
    Andy Lee is on the show apparently. RTE wisely keeping John Connors etc off air. I don't think it matters with Casey now, I'm not sure he is going to do much more than what he achieved last week. I do hope he continues to troll people he is quite good at it.


  • #8748
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    nullzero wrote: »
    Isn't Mr Connors finished with trying to make Ireland a better place and leaving?

    Is he completely deluded.

    I hope he has left.

    Will Margaret Cash and her tribe of angles be on. I hope she brings the father of her children too, I would like a few questions to be put to him.


  • #8749
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The dishonesty of those in D4 or equivalent saying YES, NO PROBLEM with Traveller encampments on their doorsteps is just mad.

    Most people think the same. But they have no voice.

    I absolutely hate that kind of PC nonsense from the SJWs when they know it will never happen to them.


  • #8750
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    nullzero wrote: »
    Isn't Mr Connors finished with trying to make Ireland a better place and leaving?

    That would make Ireland a better place, :D


  • #8751
    Homer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭Homer


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Connors is crying over on Twitter about Casey being on the LLS tomorrow.

    I thought that whingebag was getting the first plane out of here to pastures greener? Oh wait, it was just more tripe to get a bit of publicity from the dunce.


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  • #8752
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Andy Lee is on the show apparently. RTE wisely keeping John Connors etc off air. I don't think it matters with Casey now, I'm not sure he is going to do much more than what he achieved last week. I do hope he continues to troll people he is quite good at it.

    I think it is hilarious his trolling now, and he has every right to do so.

    MSM haven't a clue how to silence him.


  • #8753
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    You need to get out more, maybe.
    No need to get defensive over people in Ireland not being familiar with a very American phrase that you appear to be using incorrectly.


  • #8754
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    He really did'nt have much opportunity for "Preaching" though,did he ?

    He never mentioned this "Hate" thing you and others,constantly reference.

    He posed questions,that were being whispered throughout the country,and when the media thought their microphones had malfunctioned,he went and repeated the questions.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly,the same media then,as you suggest went into "critical" mode,without really having anything concrete to be critical about.

    Now,a critical media may well be your media,but I prefer an investigative approach initially before taking any decision to criticise or support.

    Peter Casey ain't no messiah,hell,he is'nt even serious enough to be a "real" Politician,he's only a Millionaire,Billionaire or whatever,and thus guaranteed to have provided a constitutional crisis when the first PBP Ministers rocked up to collect their Seals of Office.....jeepers,how close we came to having some REAL Craic in the Country !!!! :D

    Populist hate Pulpit,yea,right....this populist stuff must be popular then,is it ? ;)

    He didn't 'preach' much is right. That's how incredibly easy it is to do.

    Plenty exposure of rural crime across all media, nobody was hiding it. Another myth.

    Yes, I think I wrote somewhere that I wouldn't be surprised if he got 20% as that accounts for what I think is the 'rant, but not arsed to do anything practical to change things' vote out there.


  • #8755
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Connors is crying over on Twitter about Casey being on the LLS tomorrow.

    John Connors is a bit of a wanker.


  • #8756
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He didn't 'preach' much is right. That's how incredibly easy it is to do.

    Plenty exposure of rural crime across all media, nobody was hiding it. Another myth.

    Yes, I think I wrote somewhere that I wouldn't be surprised if he got 20% as that accounts for what I think is the 'rant, but not arsed to do anything practical to change things' vote out there.

    If no one was hiding the extent of the rural crime how come Peter Caseys vote came as such a surprise.

    Even Leo Vradkar a seasoned politican didnt grasp what was going to happen, if he had he wouldnt have told people not to exercise their right to vote as they pleased at a ballot box. If Leo had any idea three hundred and forty thousand people were going to vote for Peter Casey he would have kept his mouth shut, leo quite clearly has no clue what is happening in rural Ireland, he needs to keep up.


  • #8757
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The dishonesty of those in D4 or equivalent saying YES, NO PROBLEM with Traveller encampments on their doorsteps is just mad.

    Most people think the same. But they have no voice.

    I absolutely hate that kind of PC nonsense from the SJWs when they know it will never happen to them.
    Many D4 libs have cousins and family in the countryside. Maybe they should visit them more and experience more of the rest of the country. Living a very sheltered existence some of them.


  • #8758
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,869 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    All this guff about about racism and Ireland heading in a far right direction is completely off the wall.

    The fact is that there are a lot of people in this country who are intimidated by travellers and have been victims of criminality committed by travellers. These people felt until now that nobody was able to voice their dissatisfaction with the status quo. I myself have had some incredibly negative experiences with travellers and feel that travellers themselves have to make some substantive changes to how they interact with the rest of society. I don't feel that makes me racist and I don't believe the people voting for Peter Casey want to subjugate travellers or feel that travellers don't deserve respect.

    The clamor to cry racism after this is completely insane and an indication of how far up our own backsides we've gone as a country.
    Firstly, travellers have ethnic minority status, they are not a race unto themselves and they are Irish. For all the nonsense over use of correct titles in this day and age surely we can get this right, but then it doesnt make for quite as emotive headlines does it?

    Even the issue of ethnic minority status has only erected more barriers between travellers and the rest of Irish society, they have their traditions and they have the right to practice them, but there are elements of traveller lifestyle that are completely at odds with progressive Ireland such as the treatment of women, the devout religious beliefs, the treatment of LGBT people in their community (most are too afraid to come out) as well as the brutal violence that permeates their culture.

    I would suggest there is room for some evolution in the travelling community, some effort to be made to exist in a more symbiotic manner within Irish society and I think they would find an extremely receptive attitude would be forthcoming from the rest of us in the face of such action.

    As for the notion of this election showing the rise of far right sentiment in Ireland, this is just the journalistic wet dream of every news publication and website in Ireland. Stir up nonsensical notions of a racist scourge and sell a heap of papers and make a bigger load of ad revenue in the process.

    The notion of far right Ireland raising its ugly head is the media duping the Irish people like it never has before.

    Glazers Out!



  • #8759
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    nullzero wrote: »
    All this guff about about racism and Ireland heading in a far right direction is completely off the wall.

    The fact is that there are a lot of people in this country who are intimidated by travellers and have been victims of criminality committed by travellers. These people felt until now that nobody was able to voice their dissatisfaction with the status quo. I myself have had some incredibly negative experiences with travellers and feel that travellers themselves have to make some substantive changes to how they interact with the rest of society. I don't feel that makes me racist and I don't believe the people voting for Peter Casey want to subjugate travellers or feel that travellers don't deserve respect.

    The clamor to cry racism after this is completely insane and an indication of how far up our own backsides we've gone as a country.
    Firstly, travellers have ethnic minority status, they are not a race unto themselves and they are Irish. For all the nonsense over use of correct titles in this day and age surely we can get this right, but then it doesnt make for quite as emotive headlines does it?

    Even the issue of ethnic minority status has only erected more barriers between travellers and the rest of Irish society, they have their traditions and they have the right to practice them, but there are elements of traveller lifestyle that are completely at odds with progressive Ireland such as the treatment of women, the devout religious beliefs, the treatment of LGBT people in their community (most are too afraid to come out) as well as the brutal violence that permeates their culture.

    I would suggest there is room for some evolution in the travelling community, some effort to be made to exist in a more symbiotic manner within Irish society and I think they would find an extremely receptive attitude would be forthcoming from the rest of us in the face of such action.

    As for the notion of this election showing the rise of far right sentiment in Ireland, this is just the journalistic wet dream of every news publication and website in Ireland. Stir up nonsensical notions of a racist scourge and sell a heap of papers and make a bigger load of ad revenue in the process.

    The notion of far right Ireland raising its ugly head is the media duping the Irish people like it never has before.

    Spot on.

    The bogie of the Far Right is indeed a duping mechanism from MSM who have no other answer. They are flummoxed!


  • #8760
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,869 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Spot on.

    The bogie of the Far Right is indeed a duping mechanism from MSM who have no other answer. They are flummoxed!

    Ireland is so centrist we've wedgied our jocks so far up our arses from sitting on the political fence we need surgery to have them removed.

    Glazers Out!



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  • #8761
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    nullzero wrote: »
    All this guff about about racism and Ireland heading in a far right direction is completely off the wall.

    The fact is that there are a lot of people in this country who are intimidated by travellers and have been victims of criminality committed by travellers. These people felt until now that nobody was able to voice their dissatisfaction with the status quo. I myself have had some incredibly negative experiences with travellers and feel that travellers themselves have to make some substantive changes to how they interact with the rest of society. I don't feel that makes me racist and I don't believe the people voting for Peter Casey want to subjugate travellers or feel that travellers don't deserve respect.

    The clamor to cry racism after this is completely insane and an indication of how far up our own backsides we've gone as a country.
    Firstly, travellers have ethnic minority status, they are not a race unto themselves and they are Irish. For all the nonsense over use of correct titles in this day and age surely we can get this right, but then it doesnt make for quite as emotive headlines does it?

    Even the issue of ethnic minority status has only erected more barriers between travellers and the rest of Irish society, they have their traditions and they have the right to practice them, but there are elements of traveller lifestyle that are completely at odds with progressive Ireland such as the treatment of women, the devout religious beliefs, the treatment of LGBT people in their community (most are too afraid to come out) as well as the brutal violence that permeates their culture.

    I would suggest there is room for some evolution in the travelling community, some effort to be made to exist in a more symbiotic manner within Irish society and I think they would find an extremely receptive attitude would be forthcoming from the rest of us in the face of such action.

    As for the notion of this election showing the rise of far right sentiment in Ireland, this is just the journalistic wet dream of every news publication and website in Ireland. Stir up nonsensical notions of a racist scourge and sell a heap of papers and make a bigger load of ad revenue in the process.

    The notion of far right Ireland raising its ugly head is the media duping the Irish people like it never has before.

    Good post but what are the traveller traditions that are important to preserve.


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