Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

01-11-2018 01:21PM

listermint wrote: »

I think its self evident what that line means. It does not mean go back to school to better your education because you are stupid - something which you and that other poster implied about me.

It means the level of debate you are using would be used in a school yard.

i.e 'my da is bigger than your da'

I would actually garner that you knew that. But you know i could be wrong.....

Subtlety and irony. Two concepts that are tough to grasp when combined.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:21PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So to summarise, you can’t support the point you made about “plenty of pro Casey” pieces with any evidence?

You searched for links to support your claims, found none and came back with this drivel.

Would that be a fair assessment?

no actually, i have not searched for anything at all.

I read plenty of pro casey pieces over the course of the last 2 weeks. I recall them because i read the newspapers and twitter daily.

If i was bothered to search back then i would but you can find them yourself, but your not bothered. Plenty of pro Casey opinion pieces out there.

They actually go along the lines of some posters in here about how he challenged the status quo and raised something we were not talking about.

You might enjoy them? ?

The Bishop Basher · 01-11-2018 01:22PM

listermint wrote: »

But i did answer,

You do know what answer means, dont you?

It does not mean 'yes and no' are the only answers i will respect.

But it’s such a simple question..

Like would you open on Christmas Day if you had a choice ?

I’ll bet you could answer that on another day in a different thread.

You’ve been exposed. You’re the same as Higgins and the rest of them. Hypocritical and dishonest.

I have far more respect for people who stand by the courage of their convictions and demonstrate honesty which is why Casey got my one and only vote.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:23PM

nullzero wrote: »

So you can put yourself in somebody elses shoes?
Say hypothetically the shoes of a publican...

I dont know any publicans, I also dont own a pub. So yes that is outside my knowledge base.

If however i did know a publican or own a pub i could make an informed opinion on that question.

Who knows, it could be a no answer, it could equally be a yes.

But i cant make that opinion because as i said...... I dont know the ins or outs of the trade / loss of it.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:24PM

Rennaws wrote: »

But it’s such a simple question..

Like would you open on Christmas Day if you had a choice ?

I’ll bet you could answer that on another day in a different thread.

You’ve been exposed. You’re the same as Higgins and the rest of them. Hypocritical and dishonest.

I have far more respect for people who stand by the courage of their convictions and demonstrate honesty which is why Casey got my one and only vote.

I can answer that of course.

I wouldnt open any business on christmas day.

Its my family time, no business is more important than family time for me.

blinding · 01-11-2018 01:24PM

Rennaws wrote: »

But it’s such a simple question..

Like would you open on Christmas Day if you had a choice ?

I’ll bet you could answer that on another day in a different thread.

You’ve been exposed. You’re the same as Higgins and the rest of them. Hypocritical and dishonest.

I have far more respect for people who stand by the courage of their convictions and demonstrate honesty which is why Casey got my one and only vote.

We have had more than enough of hiding stuff in Irish Society . It hasn’t worked for us . Its not the way to continue .

01-11-2018 01:24PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I thought you couldn't answer it as you don't have a pub ?

I think he does have a pub and it's frequented by those elite journalists he went to school with. It's awkward though because it's located between the two traveller sites he lived between and he doesn't want them near it.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:24PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Subtlety and irony. Two concepts that are tough to grasp when combined.

Ah so you know what the saying to go back to the school yard means then ?

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:25PM

blinding wrote: »

We have had more than enough of hiding stuff in Irish Society . It hasn’t worked for us . Its not the way to continue .

hiding stuff?

Travellers are never out of the news, This topic is as old as the internet.

Deebles McBeebles · 01-11-2018 01:25PM

Lister, just lie and say yes I would open my pub and invite all those darling travellers in. At least that ends it and we can move on.

01-11-2018 01:26PM

listermint wrote: »

Why are you replacing words in a post?

Does that make you feel like you've won something ?

Sorry I can't answer that because I don't own a pub.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:26PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I think he does have a pub and it's frequented by those elite journalists he went to school with. It's awkward though because it's located between the two traveller sites he lived between and he doesn't want them near it.

Be a nice place if i knew how to run one.

Id like my own brewery though. I couldnt be dealing with those Diageo morons.

Dyr · 01-11-2018 01:26PM

listermint wrote: »

no actually, i have not searched for anything at all.

I read plenty of pro casey pieces over the course of the last 2 weeks. I recall them because i read the newspapers and twitter daily.

I haven't being following the papers at all, throw up a few pro casey pieces there like a good man and I'll have a read of them.

Maybe start by finding a few sympathetic articles about his infamous traveller soundbites that were published before polling day

nullzero · 01-11-2018 01:27PM

listermint wrote: »

I dont know any publicans, I also dont own a pub. So yes that is outside my knowledge base.

If however i did know a publican or own a pub i could make an informed opinion on that question.

Who knows, it could be a no answer, it could equally be a yes.

But i cant make that opinion because as i said...... I dont know the ins or outs of the trade / loss of it.

You seem like an educated person, the ins and outs of running a pub are quite simple it would seem, to a point where needing specislised inside knowledge of the sector would not be needed to answer the question posed to you.

I would take from your response that you are being purposefully obtuse, in as much as the most obvious and logical answer would scupper your argument.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-11-2018 01:28PM

listermint wrote: »

Do you know any journalists?

Any that i know, i actually went to school with 2. They are actually like me from a working class area. Yet they are now elites! nice to know , i must contact them both to tell them of their new found status.

The statistics on this are fairly clear. Journalism is largely a middle class occupation ( in particular in the IT etc.). A few exceptions aside, perhaps. I can't think of any working class accents in the media, though, outside of the sports columnists.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:28PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Lister, just lie and say yes I would open my pub and invite all those darling travellers in. At least that ends it and we can move on.

Who called them darlings?

Im not here to defend travellers, have you read my posts?

I am here calling casey a snake oil salesman. Selling nothing but Air that fella.

Anyone claiming him as a messiah deserves to be questioned.

SafeSurfer · 01-11-2018 01:28PM

listermint wrote: »

no actually, i have not searched for anything at all.

I read plenty of pro casey pieces over the course of the last 2 weeks. I recall them because i read the newspapers and twitter daily.

If i was bothered to search back then i would but you can find them yourself, but your not bothered. Plenty of pro Casey opinion pieces out there.

They actually go along the lines of some posters in here about how he challenged the status quo and raised something we were not talking about.

You might enjoy them? ?

So nothing to support what you stated?

Not one link?

Nada?

You will understand if all your pronouncements are now given short shrift.

The Bishop Basher · 01-11-2018 01:28PM

listermint wrote: »

I can answer that of course.

I wouldnt open any business on christmas day.

Its my family time, no business is more important than family time for me.

So why can’t you answer a different hypothetical question ?

PlaneSpeeking · 01-11-2018 01:29PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I think he does have a pub and it's frequented by those elite journalists he went to school with. It's awkward though because it's located between the two traveller sites he lived between and he doesn't want them near it.

OT I know but I referred the other day to my "freebie five".

I've no knowledge base of riding Michael Fassbender but I can answer the question "would you ?"

Hypotheticals have their place in debate.

01-11-2018 01:30PM

listermint wrote: »

Ah so you know what the saying to go back to the school yard means then ?

Yes, which makes the irony subtle as you weren't mentioning school but a school yard. Subtle. It's a play on what you said. It's right there in the Clifton Strengths Assessment. I'm starting to doubt you even took that...

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:31PM

Bambi wrote: »

I haven't being following the papers at all, throw up a few pro casey pieces there like a good man and I'll have a read of them.

Maybe start by finding a few sympathetic articles about his infamous traveller soundbites that were published before polling day

i typed in opinion piece travellers casey to google.

came back straight away

http://www.mayonews.ie/comment-opinion/133-comment-opinion/32872-casey-s-vote-needs-to-be-analysed-not-ridiculed

I mean there were lots of this over the last 2 weeks, i havent dreamt it up.

You can go look if you like

PlaneSpeeking · 01-11-2018 01:32PM

listermint wrote: »

i typed in opinion piece travellers casey to google.

came back straight away

http://www.mayonews.ie/comment-opinion/133-comment-opinion/32872-casey-s-vote-needs-to-be-analysed-not-ridiculed

I mean there were lots of this over the last 2 weeks, i havent dreamt it up.

You can go look if you like

That was after the election!!!!

blinding · 01-11-2018 01:32PM

listermint wrote: »

hiding stuff?

Travellers are never out of the news, This topic is as old as the internet.

We are hiding the fact that politicians are using Political Correctness for not doing anything about Rural Crime in Ireland . Just can’t go there for Politically Correct reasons . Very handy for the Politicians who are doing nothing to put a stop to Rural Crime . A Get out of Jail Card for the Politicians .

01-11-2018 01:32PM

nullzero wrote: »

You seem like an educated person, the ins and outs of running a pub are quite simple it would seem, to a point where needing specislised inside knowledge of the sector would not be needed to answer the question posed to you.

I would take from your response that you are being purposefully obtuse, in as much as the most obvious and logical answer would scupper your argument.

I agree with all of that except for maybe the first line.

Deebles McBeebles · 01-11-2018 01:32PM

listermint wrote: »

Who called them darlings?

Im not here to defend travellers, have you read my posts?

I am here calling casey a snake oil salesman. Selling nothing but Air that fella.

Anyone claiming him as a messiah deserves to be questioned.

I'm sure I told you no one thinks he's a messiah about 5 pages ago. But sure, keep going.

nullzero · 01-11-2018 01:33PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I agree with all of that except for maybe the first line.

Well I had to say one complimentary thing...

01-11-2018 01:34PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

OT I know but I referred the other day to my "freebie five".

I've no knowledge base of riding Michael Fassbender but I can answer the question "would you ?"

Hypotheticals have their place in debate.

If the list is laminated then it's not really a hypothetical anymore.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:34PM

Rennaws wrote: »

So why can’t you answer a different hypothetical question ?

I did, and i will again if you will let me.

Slowly now.... and read it throughly.

I wouldnt open any business on christmas day as its family time </end>

I dont have a clue how a pub operates or what level of business i would expect to receive or lose should i close or open if travellers came to town for the day. therefore i cant really make an informed opinion.

Perhaps i would make great profit (win)
Perhaps i would not (lose)

But as with any business i think i would want knowledge of the playing field first before making a determination.

Is that fair? I elaborated a wee bit but my reasoning remains the same.

listermint · 01-11-2018 01:35PM

blinding wrote: »

We are hiding the fact that politicians are using Political Correctness for not doing anything about Rural Crime in Ireland . Just can’t go there for Politically Correct reasons . Very handy for the Politicians who are doing nothing to put a stop to Rural Crime . A Get out of Jail Card for the Politicians .

Rural crime has many forms.

The number 1 was closing the stations , thats a major problem.

Underfunding the gardai, Major problem

Deebles McBeebles · 01-11-2018 01:35PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I've no knowledge base of riding Michael Fassbender but I can answer the question "would you ?"

Hypotheticals have their place in debate.

Hetro male here and even I can answer that one. I totally would.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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