Prime Time - gangs with "lurcher" dogs

Silentcorner · 30-10-2018 11:43PM

P_1 wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure of that. History has proven the majority of the irish people will vote for some gombeen who promises them some short term trinket instead

Bertie Ahern anyone?? Of course he was helped by media too, and still makes regular appearances on our State Broadcaster.

You'd swear populism was a recent phenomenon!!! Or media manipulation for that matter!!

Tell me how · 30-10-2018 11:45PM

Silentcorner wrote:

MDHs voters may well feel confident in their choice of candidate, the media certainly will help you to feel good about it, but the media neglected to ask some very uncomfortable questions to Higgins, not one Higgins supporter has earned the right to feel smug about their choice!

I don't feel smug. I feel the best person represent the country as president has been elected to that role?

Silentcorner wrote:

What we need is a completely new constitution.

Seriously? How do you feel the current constitution is falling short?

Silentcorner wrote:

We urgently need to protect ourselves against unaccountability and abuse of office in our State Institutions.

There is accountability. There are elections.

Do you think Martin Callinan, Noreen O'Sullivan, Alan Shatter it Francis Fitzgerald feels that there is no accountability. (And I'm not suggesting it's perfect either)

topper75 · 30-10-2018 11:51PM

Calhoun wrote: »

I think and I hope this is a cry for help from the farming community which I hope is acted on before it escalates.

Where is the IFA in all this? Leader not being paid enough is it?

bb12 wrote: »

nobody ever seems to mention that the so-called purpose of bringing these lurchers out is to hunt hares, which are a protected species in ireland. they're breaking national and international protective orders on that point alone.

They got Al Capone on tax evasion though party to hundreds of murders. Whatever it takes.

archer22 wrote: »

In fairness the 'gentlemen' on horseback who invade farmers land every year aren't any better.
Lots of altercations between them and rural dwellers as well and damage caused.

And the guards won't touch them either.

You may have a philosophical point but not a technical one. Hares are protected and foxes are vermin.

fawlty682 · 30-10-2018 11:55PM

The Gardai are invisible in this country except for cities. As for the Constitution, it is only an aid to criminals. Constitutional rights should not override the common good.

Calhoun · 30-10-2018 11:58PM

topper75 wrote: »

Where is the IFA in all this? Leader not being paid enough is it?

I dont know as I'm not a farmer but I am sure they do not want to have the farming community painted as a bunch of vigilantes.

It will be interesting to see how things go with elections coming up. I have heard the phrase party of law an order to discribe FG but seems to have escaped them.

Silentcorner · 30-10-2018 11:58PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I don't feel smug. I feel the best person represent the country as president has been elected to that role?

Seriously? How do you feel the current constitution is falling short?

There is accountability. There are elections.

Do you think Martin Callinan, Noreen O'Sullivan, Alan Shatter it Francis Fitzgerald feels that there is no accountability. (And I'm not suggesting it's perfect either)

Ya, I used to think that Bertie Ahern was an honest man, I was fooled once by Irish media, I won't be fooled again.

As a Peter Casey voter, I read countless articles by the Bishops over the weekend insulting my intelligence and even interests would you believe, it was inferred that I socialize in pubs...not dinner parties or theatre!!!

What sentence will Martin Callinan receive for abuse of office, is that even a crime, has any one else ever been convicted of an offence. The man didn't just damage the integrity of An Garda Siochana, he singled out an hones Sargeant and called him a kiddy fiddler!!! He walks away with his massive pension in tact and freedom to play golf any day he wishes. Accountability Irish style!!

How long has Michael Lowry served in prison?

The state is way to centralised, it is a huge issue, a new constitution could include the establishment of Regional Assemblies, it would go a long way to ensuring people actually feel like they are participating in a democracy (which I know are always flawed) and not the illusion we are participating in a democracy.

Local Government is a joke in this country.

Our state institutions are riddled with dysfunction, from health to education, to the SME sector, to the Legal Sector.

Our chief handshaker is getting paid more than most European Leaders.

artvanderlay · 31-10-2018 12:01AM

archer22 wrote: »

In fairness the 'gentlemen' on horseback who invade farmers land every year aren't any better.
Lots of altercations between them and rural dwellers as well and damage caused.

And the guards won't touch them either.

I'd love to see one of those weirdos on horseback get a farmers bullet.

Blazer · 31-10-2018 12:03AM

Wibbs wrote: »

They're not and they wouldn't. The Guards aren't the issue. Their funding can be and most of the lack of political will to tackle such things and the courts being excessively lenient. I've known Guards who've gone after them, built cases, cases that could take months, only to be let go on technicalities, or the accused have left the country, or worse convicted and yet another slap on the wrist at the court stage.

Bull****..the vanilla cops are terrified of them.
Look where in mallow where they terrorized a pregnant woman on the road and caused her to crash only a few months back....
they even returned afterwards to take videos and jeer at her.
Cops onsite and what did they do? Frakkall...probably checked her for tax and insurance more like it.

"Garda attended the scene but it is not clear what action was taken."

The only thing that frightens these scum is a shotgun and a vicious dog. They don't be long running then.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pregnant-driver-forced-off-road-in-crash-caused-by-sulky-race-36519831.html

nice_guy80 · 31-10-2018 12:04AM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What is the alleged aim of these "gangs"?
Is it stake out of places?
It's hardly just a leisurely stroll with dogs for fresh air?

Ask Padraig Nally

CinemaGuy45 · 31-10-2018 12:06AM

Tell me how wrote: »

You must have creamed yourself over Casey the last 2 weeks.

What a high standard of posting congratulations not.

Tell me how · 31-10-2018 12:07AM

Silentcorner wrote:

Our state institutions are riddled with dysfunction, from health to education, to the SME sector, to the Legal Sector.

So, get on the ballot (It's not hard).
And do something about it.

No point sitting on your keyboard fighting the good fight.

Blazer · 31-10-2018 12:08AM

Bondo wrote: »

Be awful if a bunch of farmers went full Nally and bagged a few tinkers.

Really, really hope that doesn't happen.

wink wink

Vizzy · 31-10-2018 12:10AM

mgn wrote: »

Or bag someone on there way to work on Monday morning.Easy target with no hassle.

You mean someone who may be over the drink/drive limit ?

r93kaey5p2izun · 31-10-2018 12:11AM

I'm familiar with a large group who hunt with lurchers and are very intimidating and abusive if you come across them or are perceived to interfere with them in any way. They're also big in to trotting horses and sulkies. They're not Travellers though.

I hope these farmers get some proper policing and some justice for crimes already committed. Sounds like they have been let down badly like a lot of communities.

bloodless_coup · 31-10-2018 12:22AM

Chairman Casey with Emperor Nally, what a utopia.

CinemaGuy45 · 31-10-2018 12:26AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I see now how political correctness was denying us insightful opinions which really bring clarity to the conversation.

Your seeing anger and rage we have had years of lying from these people that tell us to do what they say not do as they do.

The media and the establishment has stabbed decent hard working people in the back over and over again.

artvanderlay · 31-10-2018 12:27AM

I don't care if they are travellers, white, black, brown, eastern european; if they are criminals, they deserve to be punished. I think people here are just sick of the punishment being inadequate, and the criminals get more brazen because they know they will get away with it. This is not how you deter criminals; you come down on them like a ton of bricks, and start with the small offences, stopping them before they escalate to big ones, like Guiliana's New York back in the day. Or else get the 3 strike rule over here.

My experience with traveller's is that they are aggressive bullies that will play the victim card when it suits them, or when aggression doesn't work. In the town I live, they stand out a mile, strutting around 3-4 abreast on the streets, shouting and roaring when they feel like it. I don't see other people acting that, especially not during the day! It's funny I saw one of them today by himself walking around in Penneys; a big guy but with the body language of a scared little girl while he was by himself. In a group they are all tough guys; classic bullies. I was also told by a guy that he stood in a coffee shop recently, traveller walked in, jumped the queue, ordered his coffees and walked off without paying. That is a brazenness that I have never heard of with any other group, but they behave that way because they know nothing will be done about it. Now I'm not saying that all travellers are bad, but I have never had a positive experience with one. The criminal element continues to give travellers a bad name and it's the government's fault that that this criminality was not punished properly. A few more bullets to the criminals might make them think twice about robbing law-abiding citizens. If I was living on a farm in the country, I would be tooled up to the gills, and have cctv everywhere. Anyone breaking in would be taking their lives in their hands.

Silentcorner · 31-10-2018 12:29AM

Tell me how wrote: »

So, get on the ballot (It's not hard).
And do something about it.

No point sitting on your keyboard fighting the good fight.

What a delightfully insightful opinion which brings clarity to the conversation!

NIMAN · 31-10-2018 12:29AM

Unfortunately we have let this get too far, and we can never reign it back in.

The media and most politicians nowadays are simply afraid to call out their lawlessness for what it is. They don't want to offend, to be seen to be picking on those poor travellers.

At least Peter Casey had the balls to do it, didn't matter if it ruined him or not. He is a braver person that most of our governing has-beens.

Tell me how · 31-10-2018 12:32AM

Silentcorner wrote:

What a delightfully insightful opinion which brings clarity to the conversation!

Nice rebuttal. About the level I expected.

Tell me how · 31-10-2018 12:33AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote:

Your seeing anger and rage we have had years of lying from these people that tell us to do what they say not do as they do.

The media and the establishment has stabbed decent hard working people in the back over and over again.

I'm not being flippant but how in Ireland, has the media/establishment stabbed decent hardworking people in the back over and over again?

I'm not suggesting things are perfect,
but, are we not living in a successful society compared to most countries worldwide?

What do people actually expect is possible/reasonable?

s7ryf3925pivug · 31-10-2018 12:34AM

I like the farmer. Confronted gang. Kicked unconscious. Got up shouting.

Peter Casey is just copying Trump. He's just manipulating people's resentments.

Hold Travellers accountable when they break the law, absolutely. Criticise them turning their noses up at decent free housing if you want. Have to think of both sides of the story though. Of course they are a genuine ethnic minority. They were promised space for their horses in that housing, and horses are a core part of their identity.

They often treat their horses like **** and have no consequences from it. They often treat their horses pretty well despite not having many resources. Different people.

**** the travellers is a natural reflexive sentiment when they do seem to be exempt from obeying many laws and social rules. Racism isn't all inherited supremacist mumbo jumbo. It often stems from a moral sense of outrage directed at a group. But punishing the group is not right and is not constructive.

If you think travellers aren't punished then imagine you are you, but are also obviously a Traveller. Does this imaginary Traveller you have the same success in job applications, in socialising, in accessing education, in avoiding getting mixed up with scumbags?

Imaginary Traveller me is a mental bastard who probably didn't make it to the age I am.

Punish crime, hold people accountable, but don't pretend there is only one side to the story.

CinemaGuy45 · 31-10-2018 12:36AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm not being flippant but how in Ireland, has the media/establishment stabbed decent hardworking people in the back over and over again?

I'm not suggesting things are perfect,
but, are we not living in a successful society compared to most countries worldwide?

What do people actually expect is possible/reasonable?

The media to tell the truth and not be calling victims racist.

Call a spade a spade.

Silentcorner · 31-10-2018 12:37AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Nice rebuttal. About the level I expected.

It was the same rebuttal you gave to someone else....I was repeating your words...

artvanderlay · 31-10-2018 12:39AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately we have let this get too far, and we can never reign it back in.

The media and most politicians nowadays are simply afraid to call out their lawlessness for what it is. They don't want to offend, to be seen to be picking on those poor travellers.

At least Peter Casey had the balls to do it, didn't matter if it ruined him or not. He is a braver person that most of our governing has-beens.

The media people and politicians are and always have been full of ****. They live in the nice areas with high walls, away from the criminal element. And they are the ones that try to dictate our attitudes? F*ck off. Ryan Tubridy talks to that traveller guy every series; let him live beside him for a week and see what it's like. He'd probably come away with a book shoved up his hole! :pac:

I don't watch RTE and I never will. I despise it. I think most politicians are full of ****, although I'm hopeful that Leo, and some younger, more intelligent politicians might make some positive changes in the coming years, rather than just toeing the party line. Leo's young and could be playing a long game. He's smart, and I think he knows well what the problems in this country are. He has to keep the voters onside, and say the right things to make Ireland look good internationally, but I'm hopeful of gradual changes that might improve the country in terms of healthcare, prisons etc. I'll give him a chance, and at least it's better than looking at self-centered ****s like Bertie Ahern.

People are getting pissed off with unpunished criminality though, and things may come to a head soon.

Silentcorner · 31-10-2018 12:41AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm not being flippant but how in Ireland, has the media/establishment stabbed decent hardworking people in the back over and over again?

I'm not suggesting things are perfect,
but, are we not living in a successful society compared to most countries worldwide?

What do people actually expect is possible/reasonable?

They (the Irish media) completely ignored the endemic planning corruption at all levels of Dublin Local Authority, including employees of the state, elected officials during the 80s and 90s when Dublin was exploding in size.

This is one of the reasons why people who live in Dublin have to commute in horrific traffic every working day of their lives, affecting their quality of lives for generations to come.

https://www.thejournal.ie/worlds-most-congested-cities-3377455-May2017/

That is just one example.

CinemaGuy45 · 31-10-2018 12:42AM

Sarai Sweet Bassist wrote: »

I like the farmer. Confronted gang. Kicked unconscious. Got up shouting.

Peter Casey is just copying Trump. He's just manipulating people's resentments.

Hold Travellers accountable when they break the law, absolutely. Criticise them turning their noses up at decent free housing if you want. Have to think of both sides of the story though. Of course they are a genuine ethnic minority. They were promised space for their horses in that housing, and horses are a core part of their identity.

They often treat their horses like **** and have no consequences from it. They often treat their horses pretty well despite not having many resources. Different people.

**** the travellers is a natural reflexive sentiment when they do seem to be exempt from obeying many laws and social rules. Racism isn't all inherited supremacist mumbo jumbo. It often stems from a moral sense of outrage directed at a group. But punishing the group is not right and is not constructive.

If you think travellers aren't punished then imagine you are you, but are also obviously a Traveller. Does this imaginary Traveller you have the same success in job applications, in socialising, in accessing education, in avoiding getting mixed up with scumbags?

Imaginary Traveller me is a mental bastard who probably didn't make it to the age I am.

Punish crime, hold people accountable, but don't pretend there is only one side to the story.

Decent people have had enough of this Liberal bull.
Don’t care about them I care about the law abiding workers and elderly of this country.

This situation willl never improve with that kind of hot air.

Silentcorner · 31-10-2018 12:42AM

artvanderlay wrote: »

The media people and politicians are and always have been full of ****. They live in the nice areas with high walls, away from the criminal element. And they are the ones that try to dictate our attitudes? F*ck off. Ryan Tubridy talks to that traveller guy every series; let him live beside him for a week and see what it's like. He'd probably come away with a book shoved up his hole! :pac:

I don't watch RTE and I never will. I despise it. I think most politicians are full of ****, although I'm hopeful that Leo, and some younger, more intelligent politicians might make some positive changes in the coming years, rather than just toeing the party line. Leo's young and could be playing a long game. He's smart, and I think he knows well what the problems in this country are. He has to keep the voters onside, and say the right things to make Ireland look good internationally, but I'm hopeful of gradual changes that might improve the country in terms of healthcare, prisons etc. I'll give him a chance, and at least it's better than looking at self-centered ****s like Bertie Ahern.

People are getting pissed off with unpunished criminality though, and things may come to a head soon.

Leo is more interested in leading his 200,000 or so twitter followers than he is leading Fg, let alone this state!

artvanderlay · 31-10-2018 12:46AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Leo is more interested in leading his 200,000 or so twitter followers than he is leading Fg, let alone this state!

Well, he's what we have right now. I'm curious to see where we are in a few years under his leadership. I imagine most politicians are ego-driven (show-business for ugly people), so I wouldn't hold his Twitter use against him, just so long as he gets stuff done.

Tell me how · 31-10-2018 12:46AM

Silentcorner wrote:

That is just one example.

I'm confused.

A - you use a media article to show how the media doesn't uncover issues

B - the article shows that comparatively speaking, things aren't the worst in Ireland or Dublin.

Prime Time - gangs with "lurcher" dogs

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