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having a few pints the night before a marathon

  • 28-10-2018 2:35pm
    #1
    thebourke
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    would anybody ever consider having a few pints of guinness the night before a marathon..the reason i ask is my brother ran dublin city marathon today in a time of 3hrs 17 minutes...he had 6 pints of guinness yesterday...he is 41 years of age..i


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  • #2
    enricoh
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    If yer super fit it doesn't affect u as much. Was in the pub one Saturday n a lad that plays gaelic for the county was drinking vodka n red Bull all night. Probably the best forward we have.
    The final league match was on the next day n put on local radio to get the end of the match. The same lad got man of the match with commentators saying he was virtually unmarkable!!


  • #3
    Testosterscone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    thebourke wrote: »
    would anybody ever consider having a few pints of guinness the night before a marathon..the reason i ask is my brother ran dublin city marathon today in a time of 3hrs 17 minutes...he had 6 pints of guinness yesterday...he is 41 years of age..i

    Little to no context here. More than likely he is fitter than that and didn't achieve his potential

    The majority of people who say it didn't affect them are a) either lying or b) running within themselves. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise

    (FWIW I have ran 3 hrs flat after a few pints and whiskey they day before, doesn't mean I in any way support or endorse anyone doing it as a bright idea)


  • #4
    thebourke
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    he has ran a good marathons..today was his 42nd...he is doing another one in a few weeks time in tenerife ...


  • #5
    Itziger
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    My tuppence worth. I'd say one or two, depending a bit on size/weight of athlete would make little or no difference.

    6 though?!?!!? Nah, that has to have an effect. A negative one.


  • #6
    yaboya1
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    Assume this is a p!sstake?

    Tell him to have 12 pints next time and he might break 3 hours :P

    How anyone can think consuming a large amount of alcohol can improve your performance in an athletic event is beyond me. Maybe one or two max to settle the nerves, but anything after that can only have a negative effect.


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  • #7
    thebourke
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    its not a pisstake..i was with him in Cassidys on Camden street last night..I had 4 pints with him..he had 2 pints before he met me..guinness wasn't great..he travelled up from cork yesterday...


  • #8
    Itziger
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    thebourke wrote: »
    its not a pisstake..i was with him in Cassidys on Camden street last night..I had 4 pints with him..he had 2 pints before he met me..guinness wasn't great..he travelled up from cork yesterday...

    Imagine if it had been good!!

    Did ye comment at any stage about the drinking and the marathon the next day? Had he trained seriously, do you know?


  • #9
    thebourke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭thebourke


    he said he didn't do a crazy amount of training..he did mention he was a bit lightheaded this morning alright!he runs a marathon about every 5 or 6 weeks..he has ran 9 so far this year...although he doesn't normally drink before marathons!


  • #10
    Hurrache
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    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Assume this is a p!sstake?

    Tell him to have 12 pints next time and he might break 3 hours :P

    How anyone can think consuming a large amount of alcohol can improve your performance in an athletic event is beyond me. Maybe one or two max to settle the nerves, but anything after that can only have a negative effect.

    I've had some pretty surprisingly good runs after being out the night before. I reckon some of it is that you're expectations are low and you approach it much more relaxed.


  • #11
    yaboya1
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    I've had some pretty surprisingly good runs after being out the night before. I reckon some of it is that you're expectations are low and you approach it much more relaxed.

    I'll get onto Nike.
    Forget the shoes, pacers etc.
    Get Kipchoge to go on the razz the night before and he's sure to break 2 hours.


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  • #12
    Testosterscone
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    thebourke wrote: »
    he has ran a good marathons..today was his 42nd...he is doing another one in a few weeks time in tenerife ...

    That explains it, multi - marathon so running within himself to an extent so in that sense not gonna affect performance too much because it's not a top end performance relative to his ability. Having said that he probably worked a bit harder than he would have to achieve that had he not drank but if that is what he wants to do that is his perogative.


  • #13
    IvoryTower
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    he's running within himself, otherwise he wouldn't be doing a marathon every 6 weeks


  • #14
    ted1
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    I had a rake loads of pints and spirits on the Thursday before the San Sebastián marathon which was the Saturday. ( got caught up with the gang that was there, mainly supporters)

    Friday consisted of pumping diarolytes into me and then having a big feast.

    My time was15 minutes faster than. The Dublin one 4 weeks earlier.

    Would I advise it, no. Did it make a difference, not much. Time was 4:15 v 4:30

    My issue is my knees get sore, as opposed to fitness


  • #15
    quick feet
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭quick feet


    thebourke wrote: »
    would anybody ever consider having a few pints of guinness the night before a marathon..the reason i ask is my brother ran dublin city marathon today in a time of 3hrs 17 minutes...he had 6 pints of guinness yesterday...he is 41 years of age..i

    What's his marathon pb???


  • #16
    rom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭rom


    In 1896, at the inaugural modern Olympic Games, Greek marathon runner Spiridon Louis famously knocked back a glass of cognac with six miles left to go in the race. Refreshed, he went on to win the gold.

    The 1904 St. Louis Olympic Marathon runners battled sweltering 95-degree heat and borderline inhumane track conditions. Throughout his victorious run, Thomas Hicks regularly sipped near-deadly cocktails of strychnine, brandy, and sulfate in egg whites.

    In 1908, the winner of the Chicago Marathon, janitor-turned-runner Albert Corey, credited his win a steady supply of champagne.

    (but then the marathon world best was greater than 2:55 for men)

    https://eagleac.net/2015/04/28/carb-loading-at-the-london-marathon/
    Can't remember his handle on here but he has ran 2:26 since

    6 pints of Guinness the night before! I think Christy wrote a song about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5fBppsntAE

    Personally I have had a glass or two of wine night before a race. Anything over 10M I feel it would have a negative impact for me.


  • #17
    RasTa
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    I had a good few before Achill HM and came in at 1.42. Had 2 cans before Dublin two years ago and came in at 4.01.

    Not sure what above means but doubt it has that much of an affect. Working before a marathon was a stupid idea


  • #18
    Hurrache
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    yaboya1 wrote: »
    I'll get onto Nike.
    Forget the shoes, pacers etc.
    Get Kipchoge to go on the razz the night before and he's sure to break 2 hours.

    What are you talking about? You take one remark from a person and think they person is claiming scientific fact? Step away from the internet, you may end up believing all sorts.


  • #19
    yaboya1
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    What are you talking about? You take one remark from a person and think they person is claiming scientific fact? Step away from the internet, you may end up believing all sorts.

    You take an obviously sarcastic comment and assume you know how the person who made it thinks?


  • #20
    gucci
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    Think we need to move/merge this thread here :D


  • #21
    flatty
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    Couple of pints or a half bottle of wine always for me.


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  • #22
    thebourke
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    Yesterday was his third time to do the dublin city marathon and it was his pb for that marathon yesterday!
    his best time ever was sixmilebridge marathon..3 hours 8 minutes.


  • #23
    Kissy Lips
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    My Dad had 6 pints of Guinness before the Dublin Marathon in 1984. It was a mixture of believing the Guinness is good for you advertising, thinking the iron would be good and just saying feck it.

    He suffered through the race and swore not to do it again. It probably added 30-40 minutes onto his time.


  • #24
    rainbow kirby
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    The other half had 6 pints the night before pacing 3:45 at DCM 7 years ago...


  • #25
    yaboya1
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    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    The other half had 6 pints the night before pacing 3:45 at DCM 7 years ago...

    Big difference between pacing & racing.


  • #26
    Esse85
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    I'd feel sorry for anyone running behind him with the Guinness farts flying out his hole.


  • #27
    Singer
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    I've done a lot of runs hungover, but never would I think that my state was even vaguely optimal. Sure, a drink or two the night before a race might make you feel better at the time, but any amount of alcohol will dehydrate you and make you sleep badly, either of which will negatively influence any intense physical activity.


  • #28
    ger664
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    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    The other half had 6 pints the night before pacing 3:45 at DCM 7 years ago...

    He was in good company If i recall :D


  • #29
    ultrapercy
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    ger664 wrote: »
    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    The other half had 6 pints the night before pacing 3:45 at DCM 7 years ago...

    He was in good company If i recall :D
    Im going to tell a true story. Like all true stories you can choose yourself to believe it or disbelieve it. One Monday evening I got sick of the **** at work and said I had to go I went into the local pub in my nearest town 5 miles from my house. I had either 18 or 19 cans of cider. I calculated based on the amount of money I had going in minus the amount I had leaving(none). It was 1.30 am tuesday morning there were no taxis. The pub owner who had relieved me willingly of my 84 euros had no intrest in my transportation delima. I ran home. The 5 miles took me somewhere between 40 and 47 minutes. I was tired. Like every other time I drank too much I didnt have a hang over but I felt like a gob****e. This proves nothing but its a good story(I think). And its true if you believe it and also if you dont.


  • #30
    Djoucer
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    I think part of the reason why people may race “better” is that you throw caution to the wind in terms of race plan.

    Sure you’re hungover, you’ve nothing to lose by going out fast. If you blow up, that’s to be expected.

    I’ve had some great races hungover. And awful ones. Can go either way.


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  • #31
    Chivito550
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    Why would somebody choose to race hungover? Firstly, you can't enjoy the night out because the race is on your mind. Secondly, you can't race well because you have messed up your sleep among other things.

    Pick one or the other. Trying to do both just results in a rubbish performance and a so-so night out.


  • #32
    Dots1982
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    enricoh wrote: »
    If yer super fit it doesn't affect u as much. Was in the pub one Saturday n a lad that plays gaelic for the county was drinking vodka n red Bull all night. Probably the best forward we have.
    The final league match was on the next day n put on local radio to get the end of the match. The same lad got man of the match with commentators saying he was virtually unmarkable!!

    Would like to know who this is?


  • #33
    DaDerv
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    Grew up beside Jim, a fascinating, humble man. Loved discussing the weather every time he went past the house as he walked the block. Id fully believe he drank the Coors!!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/shufflin-mac-an-aristocrat-of-the-running-spirit-1.941087


  • #34
    Djoucer
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Why would somebody choose to race hungover? Firstly, you can't enjoy the night out because the race is on your mind. Secondly, you can't race well because you have messed up your sleep among other things.

    Pick one or the other. Trying to do both just results in a rubbish performance and a so-so night out.

    Because both are fun things to do. Having beers is fun. Getting up next day and racing is fun.

    If you’re worried about racing with a hangover, then don’t drink.


  • #35
    Supercell
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    Ran the DLR10k in 2017 hungover as ***k after a bottle of wine and some tins of cider (classy..) the night before. It was a warm day. Half way through I thought I was going to vomit all over the place, by the end I couldn't speak as my tongue was stuck to the side of my mouth. My other half smirked knowingly when it was over and said said I didn't look the best and was not sympathetic to my painful dehydrated plight at all.

    So yeah, drinking and running, good times.
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • #36
    Murph_D
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    Djoucer wrote: »
    Because both are fun things to do. Having beers is fun. Getting up next day and racing is fun.

    If you’re worried about racing with a hangover, then don’t drink.

    I’d say it depends on the race. If it’s one you did any meaningful training for, having any more than one drink the night before is just stupid.

    If it’s just an event you’ve entered for fun, or as a training run, then by all means go on the pi$$ as much as you like.


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  • #37
    Chivito550
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    Djoucer wrote: »
    Because both are fun things to do. Having beers is fun. Getting up next day and racing is fun.

    If you’re worried about racing with a hangover, then don’t drink.

    Racing hungover is not fun!


  • #38
    walshb
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    thebourke wrote: »
    would anybody ever consider having a few pints of guinness the night before a marathon..the reason i ask is my brother ran dublin city marathon today in a time of 3hrs 17 minutes...he had 6 pints of guinness yesterday...he is 41 years of age..i

    He probably cost himself 5-10 minutes there.


  • #39
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    My daughter is graduating college on Saturday followed by a family meal and drinks, since I'm running in the Brain Tumor Ireland race the next day I'm planning on a sober & early night, of course that plan is probably going to fall flat on its face (me included) so running the next day should be fun lol.

    After the Dublin Marathon a few of the group I run with went out for celebration drinks for the guys (and ladies) who done the marathon.

    Next morning we were out for an 8km, I puked at 5km and walked home feeling like road kill lol


  • #40
    Swashbuckler
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    One things for sure anyway, nobody improves their performance by going on the beer the night before. Is it possible to race after pints? Sure. Are you maximizing the outcome? Not a hope.


  • #41
    rm75
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    One or two might relax you and help you get a better nights sleep so may be some benefits. Anymore than that cant see the benefit. More importantly if you are training for months leading up why squander that by knocking back pints the night before.
    Anytime I go for a long run after a few Guinness end up having to stop for a toilet break a few miles in. Not pleasant at 7 in the morning in the middle of nowhere !!


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  • #42
    walshb
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    rm75 wrote: »
    One or two might relax you and help you get a better nights sleep so may be some benefits. Anymore than that cant see the benefit. More importantly if you are training for months leading up why squander that by knocking back pints the night before.
    Anytime I go for a long run after a few Guinness end up having to stop for a toilet break a few miles in. Not pleasant at 7 in the morning in the middle of nowhere !!

    Well it's obvious the runner wasn't too concerned or bothered. Couldn't have been taking it too seriously.


  • #43
    YFlyer
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    I won the county senior 1500m indoor championships after drinking a bottle of red the night before.


  • #44
    IvoryTower
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    I won the county senior 1500m indoor championships after drinking a bottle of red the night before.

    means nothing without the context!

    pb? sb? standard of race etc. if I raced a 5k hungover now id prob pb, but id certainly do it better without one! Just fitter now


  • #45
    YFlyer
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    IvoryTower wrote: »
    means nothing without the context!

    pb? sb? standard of race etc. if I raced a 5k hungover now id prob pb, but id certainly do it better without one! Just fitter now

    Very slow race. Burn up the last 250m.


  • #46
    ISOP
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    I had 4 pints of Guinness the day before Connemara this year and ran a pb at the time. I wasn't expecting much out of the race to be honest and I think that played a big part of it on the day. I was very relaxed and after 20 miles, I suddenly thought this is going ok! I don't think drinking more than 1 or 2 is a good idea though


  • #47
    Lazare
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    Having a few pints right after a marathon is probably the best thing in the world though.


  • #48
    Lazare
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    Some people are machines though. I've a friend who flew to Chicago on a whim, ran a 2:41 pb. Went straight out on the lash. After a rake of pints copped he hadn't eaten so ran for food. Fell, cracked his ribs and busted his face.

    Then ran Dublin in 2:45 two weeks later.


  • #49
    jonnbinn
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    Never raced hungover but have done some training runs after 4 or 5 pints the night before. Generally I find my heart rate is a few beats lower relative to effort after drinking the night before which I find strange. Would have thought it would lead to a higher heart rate. Probably a perfectly responsible explanation though.


  • #50
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Just done a Brain Tumor Ireland race after being on the last celebrating my daughters graduation from college, woke up this morning realizing I'm still hammered so I blagged a lift (if I was road side tested I'd have lost my licence).

    I absolutely died on the run, never again.

    Although in fairness I did have the intention of just having two or three beers but then the whiskeys started flying lol


  • #51
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Just done a Brain Tumor Ireland race after being on the last celebrating my daughters graduation from college, woke up this morning realizing I'm still hammered so I blagged a lift (if I was road side tested I'd have lost my licence).

    I absolutely died on the run, never again.

    Although in fairness I did have the intention of just having two or three beers but then the whiskeys started flying lol


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