Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Effects · 24-10-2018 04:54PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

All cash in hand and tax free of course. Genuinely don’t know many people living on basic dole.

That goes on no matter what level you're at.

I know an accountant that takes payment in cash so you save the vat on his fee.

I know a solicitor that does the same. He's got a lovely boat that he sails.

I know a civil servant that scams an extra allowance of €150 per month from her department for an expense that's already covered by her department in a separate payment to her, "everyone does it".

I've a friend who rents out his house but tenants pay separately. He claims it under the rent a room scheme so avoids tax on the first €14,000.

Fann Linn · 24-10-2018 04:56PM

Gravelly wrote: »

I promise I won't grease any puddy cats if you promise to stop stalking me.

Otherwise, Puss gets greased up.

A greasy pussy. Mmmm

Gravelly · 24-10-2018 05:00PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

A greasy pussy. Mmmm

Don't say that, you'll make doctors room ghost cry again.

Will I Am Not · 24-10-2018 05:11PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Would you ever consider reporting these people?

No. Same as I wouldn’t report the traveller woman putting up pics of clothes on the train home from stealing them. (She didn’t exist too though right...)
It’s not my job. It’s just the way things are and it’s allowed to happen and I accept that. Sure I have relatives doing it. I’m entitled to vent here

blanch152 · 24-10-2018 05:22PM

Hhugedick wrote: »

The numbers doing it are tiny now, social welfare confirm that every year in there released accounts. The building game is completely changed now, virtually unheard of now on site. To risky, to dangerous for all in involved in it.

The numbers getting caught are tiny now. Social welfare can only provide numbers on those they catch.

tretorn · 24-10-2018 05:22PM

Pavee Point should be told by Leo to make statement regarding MC stealing clothes from Penneys. Leo was very quick to rubbish Peter Casey and he is writing pay cheques to keep pavee whingers in business. We have heard enough from this outfit about travellers rights, maybe its time now to thank the Government for funding MC , her partner and her seven children.Pavee need to acknowledge that MC doesnt need to shoplift and she should be told to either return the clothes to Penneys or else reimburse the Store.
If Pavee Point dont do this then the Government should consider pulling the funding, what is the point of this organisation anyway, whats its remit and is there a time limit for phasing it out.

spookwoman · 24-10-2018 05:35PM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

Im 30, crippled with arthritis, it’s an auto immune disease, and another auto immune condition that leaves me fatigued and ill and in pain. But I go to work. I adapt my work load to what I am capable of doing. I couldn’t think of anything worse than relying on state assistance while at home with nothing to do but feel sorry for myself. Because I don’t know how sick or deabilitating this illness will be in ten or twenty years time and I want to be comfortable and safe, and able to provide a good life for myself and my family.

There is very few people who are unfit and unsuitable for every single type of work. Their primary reason is unwillingness

That's great that you can adapt your work load. 99% places won't allow someone to take time off due to long term illnesses because it means that person cannot guarantee that they can turn up for work every time they have a work day.

Take someone that could be suffering with CFS, ME, lupus or something else, over exerting oneself can knock them out for a week or so, then there is frequent migraines or cluster headaches. Then add the fact that their immune system is not 100% so they get every bug going, what are they supposed to do? No one is going to employ someone you will probably be out sick more times than they are in working.

jmayo · 24-10-2018 05:39PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

She is going to be at a protest outside the Garden of Remembrance tomorrow between 1-2

Supposedly according to Bernard Sweeney "If anyone wants to know who Travellers are, our ethnicity, our nationality and how racism/classism/capitalism is one of the same and killing all in it's wake"

Martin Collins Pavee Point amongst others will be speaking on the day

Most of us sadly already know enough about travellers.

tretorn wrote: »

Margsret may havr stashed some of the Penneys stuff where the sun dont shine so anyone grabbing her might catch themselves on a coathanger, gropers beware.
An SNA who works in West Dublin said the vast majority of people who get one on one SNAs are non national. The non national children are autistic and wont get services in Poland or Lothuania or Estonia for example. The parents hear through the grapevine that the Irish are a soft touch if you need one on one for a child with a disability. We cant keep going with this and we should be concentrating resources on Irish children.
Its not right that people are bringing autistic children here for one reason only and thats to get extra resources free of charge. I wont get much if I go to Poland so what's in it for me to have so many Poles here, we need to make things less attractive.
How much is child benefit in Poland and can you spend your life on welfare there.

I have to say I know quite a few Eastern Europeans who are working here and have children left at home with grandparents.
It is only after number of years here they bring their children over.
All the while they are working damn hard here to make a living.
Yes they are sending money home to Poland, to Lithuania, Latvia, etc but who the fook are we to complain about that.
Most people in Ireland wouldn't have had a pot to p**s in during most of 20th century but for Irish emigrants doing the same in UK or America.

I have no problem with foreigners legally coming here when they are coming to work and most importantly are coming with hope of integration into communities and society, not just to leech, demand and rock the fooking boat.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah interesting agenda for the protest. End Racism against Travellers

"against Peter Casey hate speech of Irish travellers

demanding traveller ethnicity be protected by introducing legislation to protect ethnic minorities

strong legislation would protect families and create peace on the island

What type of legislation would he recommend to protect the family of Mark and Emma Corcoran ?

KrustyUCC wrote: »

legislation on hate crimes so the likes of Peter Casey can be taken to task and Ireland frees itself from right wing politics

Yep there are more than the travellers that want to bring this little gagging order in so that anyone can't complain.
There are some around here who with quite welcome that type of legislation.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Government needs to be challenged on statistics not in our favour

WTF.
Are the government now to blame that they don't force them to stay in school or maybe it's they see the government at fault for locking them up for thieving and thus making them have higher representation in the prison system. :rolleyes:

KrustyUCC wrote: »

time to come together and address the issues that are killing us and we need to fight all forms of racism and hate"

Would that be one of the traditional traveller methods of fighting he wants.
Bare knuckle, slash hook or homemade shotgun?

Hhugedick · 24-10-2018 06:12PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The numbers getting caught are tiny now. Social welfare can only provide numbers on those they catch.

Yes but they compare them figures to recent years and recent numbers of person getting caught. Then they graph it all up factoring in the huge increases in people working and what they are reading is huge reduction in people working and signing on.. Its not the 80s were everyone done it on site.. I can't speak for any other field but its unheard of in the building game. Not worth it.

24-10-2018 08:18PM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

They’re both as bad as each other. I think anyone who is unable to work due to illness should be looked after but I recently heard of a lady going back to work weeks after finishing her cancer treatment while people quite happily declare themselves unfit for work because of a bad back, or migraines or whatever other day to day issues we often encounter. Social welfare should be there for people who fall on hard times, not for someone to live on without ever lifting a finger. If people find themselves on social welfare long term then they should be encouraged to find work by capping their payments.

As someone who does suffer with daily tension headaches and back problems if they are a plight on your daily life I can tell you now that working 8-9 hours a day is not always feasible. There are days with my headaches where I would have to stop and sit or lie down (if I’m at home) wherever I happen to be in the house. I often can’t move for a half hour or more and pain killers don’t rectify the problem. If you’ve been assessed by a doctor as unable to work then that’s how it is. I hope you never have anything like this happen to you but then maybe if it does happen your attitude might shift a bit.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 24-10-2018 09:31PM

Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS wrote: »

As someone who does suffer with daily tension headaches and back problems if they are a plight on your daily life I can tell you now that working 8-9 hours a day is not always feasible. There are days with my headaches where I would have to stop and sit or lie down (if I’m at home) wherever I happen to be in the house. I often can’t move for a half hour or more and pain killers don’t rectify the problem. If you’ve been assessed by a doctor as unable to work then that’s how it is. I hope you never have anything like this happen to you but then maybe if it does happen your attitude might shift a bit.

I have plenty of issues that would make me “unfit” for work if I was that way inclined. But that isn’t the life I want for myself. Living a life on welfare on the back of a chance my back might hurt me or I might be too fatigued or feel too weak. If that happens and there are days it does, I deal with it then. I find it very hard to believe that one condition makes someone unfit for every type of work.

punisher5112 · 24-10-2018 09:46PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Are travellers going camping in the garden of remembrance tomorrow?

I believe they are looking into relieving them of the gates....

normanoffside · 24-10-2018 10:44PM

Anyone believing that travellers are poor downtrodden people should check out these pages. Apart from the call out videos there are loads of videos of them intimidating and threatening vulnerable and old people in their homes (which apparently the travellers themselves find hilarious)

https://www.facebook.com/bigbimmy.maughan

https://www.facebook.com/john.sharing.71

end of the road · 24-10-2018 11:44PM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

They’re both as bad as each other. I think anyone who is unable to work due to illness should be looked after but I recently heard of a lady going back to work weeks after finishing her cancer treatment while people quite happily declare themselves unfit for work because of a bad back, or migraines or whatever other day to day issues we often encounter. Social welfare should be there for people who fall on hard times, not for someone to live on without ever lifting a finger. If people find themselves on social welfare long term then they should be encouraged to find work by capping their payments.

capping payments is unlikely to have any success rate in getting people to find work that just isn't there for them. illnesses effect people in different ways, some will be able to work, others not so, even with the exact same illness. some will recover from illnesses quicker then others and the same for treatment.

tretorn wrote: »

Pavee Point should be told by Leo to make statement regarding MC stealing clothes from Penneys. Leo was very quick to rubbish Peter Casey and he is writing pay cheques to keep pavee whingers in business. We have heard enough from this outfit about travellers rights, maybe its time now to thank the Government for funding MC , her partner and her seven children.Pavee need to acknowledge that MC doesnt need to shoplift and she should be told to either return the clothes to Penneys or else reimburse the Store.
If Pavee Point dont do this then the Government should consider pulling the funding, what is the point of this organisation anyway, whats its remit and is there a time limit for phasing it out.

leo has better things to do then forcing some lobby group to make a statement about someone else just to make a few feel better. pavee point have no need to make any statements in relation to mrs cash.

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

I have plenty of issues that would make me “unfit” for work if I was that way inclined. But that isn’t the life I want for myself. Living a life on welfare on the back of a chance my back might hurt me or I might be too fatigued or feel too weak. If that happens and there are days it does, I deal with it then. I find it very hard to believe that one condition makes someone unfit for every type of work.

it's not about being "that way inclined" but about the reality of the illness and it's effects, and how that will translate to the work environment, and whether a person will be in a position that an employer will be willing to accommodate said person and work around their illness. 1 condition can indeed make someone unfit for any type of work, there are only so many jobs that require doing after all, and a condition can be something that will not be willing to accommodate a person's wish to work.

spookwoman · 25-10-2018 12:43AM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

I have plenty of issues that would make me “unfit” for work if I was that way inclined. But that isn’t the life I want for myself. If that happens and there are days it does, I deal with it then. I find it very hard to believe that one condition makes someone unfit for every type of work.

Curious, have you ever had migraines, tension headaches that last for days, that leave you bind in one eye or have you running for the toilet to vomit as soon as you come off a phone call while in work? Been crippled with back pain?
What Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS and others can go through daily with headaches, back pain, any type of pain and illness is not a lie and you need to understand that.

Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS wrote: »

As someone who does suffer with daily tension headaches and back problems if they are a plight on your daily life I can tell you now that working 8-9 hours a day is not always feasible. There are days with my headaches where I would have to stop and sit or lie down (if I’m at home) wherever I happen to be in the house. I often can’t move for a half hour or more and pain killers don’t rectify the problem. If you’ve been assessed by a doctor as unable to work then that’s how it is. I hope you never have anything like this happen to you but then maybe if it does happen your attitude might shift a bit.

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

"Living a life on welfare on the back of a chance my back might hurt me or I might be too fatigued or feel too weak"

Have you every lived ah life if that's what you can call it, were you've worked 8 or so hours a day, come home, go straight to bed for 4 hours to sleep because you can barely keep your eyes open? You then get up for an hour to eat, shower get your stuff ready for the morning and are back in bed to sleep till the morning, repeating that 5 days a week?
Your weekend involves sleeping for the 2 days to try and regain a bit of strength for the next week. There is no social life just sleep and work.
During your working week not only are you exhausted, your muscles, joints etc range from aches to stabbing pains, there's the headaches as well, chronic kidney infections and cystitis where you are p*ssing blood every 5 minutes. Abscesses, rashes and picking up every bug going. Because of your existing autoimmune deceases and the constant fact your body is run down, your heath just keeps getting worse and worse and it means more time off sick and trips to hospital to see specialists.
Honestly is that a life worth living, is it even living and should someone be forced to live like that? I f you believe it's the latter then I take it your are into forced euthanasia.

Now you deal with "your" illnesses the way you do and fair play to you that you can carry on but it's not like that for everyone else. I don't know how much pain you are in or what exactly you suffer from but you come across as someone who is bitter that other people can be sicker than you and not be able to work.
You actually sound like one of those people that many people with invisibly illnesses come across every day that look at them and say you don't look sick, there can't be anything wrong with you. They are usually the same people when they see a disabled badge on a car and the person is walking unaided complain that that person shouldn't be issued a badge because they can walk.

I just hope no member of your family gets ill and has to rely on you for help and sympathy

haley79 · 25-10-2018 12:46AM

catfight at table 2

25-10-2018 01:11AM

spookwoman for president

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-10-2018 01:13AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Curious, have you ever had migraines, tension headaches that last for days, that leave you bind in one eye or have you running for the toilet to vomit as soon as you come off a phone call while in work? Been crippled with back pain?
What Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS and others can go through daily with headaches, back pain, any type of pain and illness is not a lie and you need to understand that.

yes I have, I have chronic back pain that affects me sporadically, as well as occasional migraines. I deal with them accordingly, as it affects me, rather that writing myself off waiting for it to happen.

Have you every lived ah life if that's what you can call it, were you've worked 8 or so hours a day, come home, go straight to bed for 4 hours to sleep because you can barely keep your eyes open? You then get up for an hour to eat, shower get your stuff ready for the morning and are back in bed to sleep till the morning, repeating that 5 days a week?
Your weekend involves sleeping for the 2 days to try and regain a bit of strength for the next week. There is no social life just sleep and work.
During your working week not only are you exhausted, your muscles, joints etc range from aches to stabbing pains, there's the headaches as well, chronic kidney infections and cystitis where you are p*ssing blood every 5 minutes. Abscesses, rashes and picking up every bug going. Because of your existing autoimmune deceases and the constant fact your body is run down, your heath just keeps getting worse and worse and it means more time off sick and trips to hospital to see specialists.
Honestly is that a life worth living, is it even living and should someone be forced to live like that? I f you believe it's the latter then I take it your are into forced euthanasia.

Again, yes. I commuted 2 hours in the am and 2 hours in the pm, and worked 4 9 hr days and 1 6 hour day, for years. In the absolute height of my initial condition, in the weeks before my diagnosis, I dragged myself from my bed, fatigued and unwell and with no idea what was wrong with me. Smells made me sick, food made me sick. It was so horrible that on one occasion I had to ask a family member to meet me at the train to ensure I got off because I felt so unwell I genuinely didn’t think I would make it home. I was subsequently hospitalized days later and my gp later told me I could have lapsed into a coma, the condition was so severe and untreated.

Now you deal with "your" illnesses the way you do and fair play to you that you can carry on but it's not like that for everyone else. I don't know how much pain you are in or what exactly you suffer from but you come across as someone who is bitter that other people can be sicker than you and not be able to work.
You actually sound like one of those people that many people with invisibly illnesses come across every day that look at them and say you don't look sick, there can't be anything wrong with you. They are usually the same people when they see a disabled badge on a car and the person is walking unaided complain that that person shouldn't be issued a badge because they can walk.

I know all about invisible illness, thanks very much. I’m currently taking a low dose of chemo to try and control my own invisible illness. But I choose to live the life I have to the best of my ability, working for as long as I possibly can, providing and building a future for myself that I can look after myself down the line. I am not a victim to any of my auto immune diseases. I am strong and independent and enjoy what I do, and paying my own way in life. I am lucky that every day I can get out of bed, and go about a relatively normal day to day life, may need a little bit of an adaptation here and there. But for the most part I do ok. I enjoy working and I hope to work for a long time yet. It’s just very frustrating to see my tax going towards people who are totally workshy.

I get that people with illnesses or conditions are more limited in what they can do. But it’s very rare that someone with a standard condition is totally unsuitable for all work.

I just hope no member of your family gets ill and has to rely on you for help and sympathy

You’re absolutely disgusting to say that. If you must know, I buried both parents by the age of 25, and my dads nurses often told me I did a fantastic job taking care of him. But I’d be good like that, I’m not workshy.

25-10-2018 01:18AM

I wonder if a day can go by where someone won’t try knock people who are social welfare for genuine reasons. :rolleyes:

As someone who is, I can assure you I’m not living a life of luxury. Half the time I have to choose between new clothes I need or food. I envy anyone capable of work and I strive to find a job I can do with the bull**** I’m dealt re headaches, depression etc. But every time I’ve applied for a job and sat an interview I get a rejection and then feel more depressed :pac:

freshpopcorn · 25-10-2018 01:21AM

Just out interest Shoesdayschild what would you do if the pain got to much?
If it became so bad you couldn't leave the house or you could barely move with pain.
Would you accept social welfare or would you rely on family.

I've seen people with good jobs. Nice lifestyles, cars, clothes, holidays you name it. Then due to illness or ill health they lost this. They receive there weekly payment off the government and they don't have the lifestyle they once had. They loose touch with friends simply because they can't afford it anymore. They aren't overly happy in there lives and if they could go back they'd do anything possibly but they can't of course they are people who milk the system and this can be dealt with but some people do need the support.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-10-2018 01:32AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Just out interest Shoesdayschild what would you do if the pain got to much?
If it became so bad you couldn't leave the house or you could barely move with pain.
Would you accept social welfare or would you rely on family.

I've seen people with good jobs. Nice lifestyles, cars, clothes, holidays you name it. Then due to illness or ill health they lost this. They receive there weekly payment off the government and they don't have the lifestyle they once had. They loose touch with friends simply because they can't afford it anymore. They aren't overly happy in there lives and if they could go back they'd do anything possibly but they can't of course they are people who milk the system and this can be dealt with but some people do need the support.

When the pain gets too much I adjust medication. I’m currently on a med that is causing my hair to come out but I can close my hands, and stand on my feet.
When I left my job to take care of my dying father, I didn’t apply for social welfare. If the time ever comes that I absolutely have to, I won’t feel bad about it because the government have taken enough money off me in the way of prsi, usc, income tax, and inheritance tax. But I intend on working for as long as I possibly can, and if I’m ever in a situation that I can’t, I hope my business is doing well enough that it can take care of me.

freshpopcorn · 25-10-2018 01:42AM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

When the pain gets too much I adjust medication. I’m currently on a med that is causing my hair to come out but I can close my hands, and stand on my feet.
When I left my job to take care of my dying father, I didn’t apply for social welfare. If the time ever comes that I absolutely have to, I won’t feel bad about it because the government have taken enough money off me in the way of prsi, usc, income tax, and inheritance tax. But I intend on working for as long as I possibly can, and if I’m ever in a situation that I can’t, I hope my business is doing well enough that it can take care of me.

That's good to know.
Now I never deny that people milk the system. It drives me mad.
Most people I know who had good jobs that end up on illness benefit/disability. Tried medication, every type of alternative therapy possible but they came a time and they simply weren't up to work and if they did make it in others were doing there work for them.
Now there are times when people can change jobs but this isn't always possible.
In a few years tough how would you feel if you were on some kind of social welfare payment and you were constantly being told get up the pain can't be that bad? I'm able to manage with pain why can't you.
By the way sorry if you think I'm having ago at you.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-10-2018 01:55AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's good to know.
Now I never deny that people milk the system. It drives me mad.
Most people I know who had good jobs that end up on illness benefit/disability. Tried medication, every type of alternative therapy possible but they came a time and they simply weren't up to work and if they did make it in others were doing there work for them.
Now there are times when people can change jobs but this isn't always possible.
In a few years tough how would you feel if you were on some kind of social welfare payment and you were constantly being told get up the pain can't be that bad? I'm able to manage with pain why can't you.
By the way sorry if you think I'm having ago at you.

When I was diagnosed with my arthritis, it was so severe I couldn’t close my right hand. Couldn’t open jars, turn off a tap, hold a hair brush, hold a steering wheel. I went private and saw a rumathologist very quickly but still needed two emergency apps while waiting for the appointment. I was on an insanely high dose of steroids prescribed by the doctors in accident and emergency because my own gp wouldn’t give me anymore steroids as he felt I had taken them as much as I should. In my line of work, I rely on my hands, like most people do.

When I met the rumathologist he asked if I had any questions and my question was “I won’t have to give up work, will I?” My hands were so bad I didn’t think I’d ever be able to use them properly again. He said he would make sure I was able for work for as long as I wanted. So I have complete faith in him looking after me and slowing this condition down.

I’m 30, I hope to work for at least another 30 years. I own my own business. I pay and contribute enough that if I have no other choice down the line, I won’t feel bad. I’ve never been on the dole. I have never so much as claimed an eye test on my stamps. I won’t feel bad if I’m so unwell that I physically cannot do any sort of work. I may not be able for my actual hands on job, but could I work part time doing admin work? Answering phones?

And listen, I’m prepared for the fact I may not be able to work down the line. That’s why I save. I work hard now. I’m trying to work at my business. I intend to be comfortable and live on my own buck when I’m older. I’m building my future now. I’m not waiting to see what happens. Does that answer your question?

freshpopcorn · 25-10-2018 02:07AM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

I won’t feel bad
Does that answer your question?

All you had to say was I won't feel bad.
All my point was I've seen hard working people who've always worked and done there best and then they end up on disability/etc and it's hard for them especially when they are told by people to get over yourself I have pain to.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-10-2018 02:24AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

All you had to say was I won't feel bad.
All my point was I've seen hard working people who've always worked and done there best and then they end up on disability/etc and it's hard for them especially when they are told by people to get over yourself I have pain to.

Who are overshadowed by people who simply don’t want to work, waiting for any excuse at all to avoid work. I fully support genuinely sick and disabled people receiving state support, better quality of life, easier access to treatment. My initial consultation with my consultant was 200 I think, 100 if you need injections, and 150 for your check ups. I had my app within weeks. I’m aware there’s people who can’t do that and they’re left for months waiting when they cannot wait. That’s not right or fair.

You’ve the likes of Margaret cash and 98% of the rest of the travellers, and a string of single mothers who think it’s the states responsibility to feed and clothe and house them and their children, you’ve the workshy wasters hiding behind a guise of “disability” but it doesn’t stop them living their live to it’s full potential in every other area except work. You have the long term dolers who assume the government owe them a living, and they’re all taking from the actual needy, the people who cannot help themselves.

I read some spending diary of an elderly man just tonight who “treated” himself to a pate from lidl for 79 cent. It’s people like Him, the elderly and the disabled and the sick that we should be looking after. Not workshy wasters like mgt €€€

freshpopcorn · 25-10-2018 02:32AM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

Who are overshadowed by people who simply don’t want to work, waiting for any excuse at all to avoid work. I fully support genuinely sick and disabled people receiving state support, better quality of life, easier access to treatment. My initial consultation with my consultant was 200 I think, 100 if you need injections, and 150 for your check ups. I had my app within weeks. I’m aware there’s people who can’t do that and they’re left for months waiting when they cannot wait. That’s not right or fair.

You’ve the likes of Margaret cash and 98% of the rest of the travellers, and a string of single mothers who think it’s the states responsibility to feed and clothe and house them and their children, you’ve the workshy wasters hiding behind a guise of “disability” but it doesn’t stop them living their live to it’s full potential in every other area except work. You have the long term dolers who assume the government owe them a living, and they’re all taking from the actual needy, the people who cannot help themselves.

I read some spending diary of an elderly man just tonight who “treated” himself to a pate from lidl for 79 cent. It’s people like Him, the elderly and the disabled and the sick that we should be looking after. Not workshy wasters like mgt €€€

If you have read my posts on here I have very little time for Margaret Cash or others similar to here.
I have very little time for people who milk the system or engage in criminality.
I also didn't defend people who claimed falsely claimed disability allowance.
I feel sorry for people who generally need the help and are made feel guilty for accepting it.

Lollipops23 · 25-10-2018 08:09AM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

I’m 30, I hope to work for at least another 30 years. I own my own business. I pay and contribute enough that if I have no other choice down the line, I won’t feel bad. I’ve never been on the dole. I have never so much as claimed an eye test on my stamps. I won’t feel bad if I’m so unwell that I physically cannot do any sort of work. I may not be able for my actual hands on job, but could I work part time doing admin work? Answering phones?

I have MS and thankfully am still able to work full time, albeit often through the fog of fatigue.
I am aware that it likely won't always be the case, so have made sure to set up a decent pension etc, made other arrangements for worst case scenario down the line.
It gauls me that there are so many out there who simply "choose" the lifestyle that Cash does. Have they zero pride in themselves? No aspirations?

blanch152 · 25-10-2018 08:34AM

Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS wrote: »

I wonder if a day can go by where someone won’t try knock people who are social welfare for genuine reasons. :rolleyes:

As someone who is, I can assure you I’m not living a life of luxury. Half the time I have to choose between new clothes I need or food. I envy anyone capable of work and I strive to find a job I can do with the bull**** I’m dealt re headaches, depression etc. But every time I’ve applied for a job and sat an interview I get a rejection and then feel more depressed :pac:

Of course, there are people who are on social welfare for genuine reasons, nobody is disputing that. Will a day ever go by when somebody questioning national statistics relating to thousands of people not be accused of attacking a particular individual?

The statistics are clear. Ireland has one of the highest rates of disability social welfare in the world. At the systemic level there are only three possible reasons:

(1) The system is too generous in what is considered a disability
(2) There is significant fraud within the system
(3) Irish people are inbred leading to higher rates of disability

I am agnostic on the three reasons, because there is little research as to which is true. However, saying all of the above is not an attack on any individual, because even if all three reasons are true, and you corrected for them, you would still have individuals fully entitled to social welfare disability payments.

Igotadose · 25-10-2018 09:07AM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

It gauls me that there are so many out there who simply "choose" the lifestyle that Cash does. Have they zero pride in themselves? No aspirations?

From what I gather, it seems like culturally she's been born and raised to this, and it's really difficult to break those bonds. Married off young, pulled from school, family of criminals, basically raised to be aggressive, hostile and thieving.

I think she's incorrigible at this point, bar some dramatic life change that might shock her enough to change her attitude.

alias no.9 · 25-10-2018 09:13AM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I have MS and thankfully am still able to work full time, albeit often through the fog of fatigue.
I am aware that it likely won't always be the case, so have made sure to set up a decent pension etc, made other arrangements for worst case scenario down the line.
It gauls me that there are so many out there who simply "choose" the lifestyle that Cash does. Have they zero pride in themselves? No aspirations?

Cash clearly has aspirations and is fighting for something better. Lacking education and coming from a culture where victimhood is enshrined, she's doing this the only way she knows how, by shouting and screaming about her rights and entitlements.

She's the product of a system that has for a couple of generations now sought to make problems go away, at least in the short term, by throwing money at them.

There's little or no long term thinking in this country, no leadership, no hard decisions to create a better future, just soft options, right here, right now and to hell with the consequences. It's not unique to welfare, look across the public service and the various pay deals and general waste, look at the failure to invest in infrastructure and the repeated abandonment of game changing projects in favour of half assed alternatives.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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