Your experiences of Anti Social Behaviour in Estates

Mrs OBumble · 20-10-2018 07:54PM

klaaaz wrote: »

The councils have a huge responsibility on this issue, there is no severe reprimand for bad families. When you hear of an eviction, the council usually moves the bad families to another area to destroy when in fact those bad families should be made homeless to act as a deterrent. The result is that most people do not want social housing in their area, can you blame them?

What do you expect the council to do though? They arent allowed to kill people. And if they evict them from one place , they have to rehouse em somewhere else.

McDermotX · 20-10-2018 08:02PM

It's cause they got nothing to do and there's no services.

You know.....remember the way we were inundated with facilities, clubs, community groups etc back in the 80s/90s ?

No ? Yeah....me neither.

ziggyman17 · 20-10-2018 08:11PM

Reading threads like this and I fee embarrassed to be Irish, the amount of scum in this country is mad and they all seem to have the law and everything else on their side.. 40 convictions and then caught a 41st time, never mind, do not do it again, slap on the wrist and away you go until you are caught for the 42nd time.. Myself and my sister grew up with our parents in our Grandparents box room, we lived there until my parents could save for a deposit for a mortgage for a family home for us.. Now days everybody thinks they are entitled to a forever home, I am so glad I am in my 40's, I would not like to be a kid growing up in this day and age, which is very sad, because that is not how life should be...

All Seeing Eye · 20-10-2018 08:12PM

These days the policy of putting HAP tenants or a few social houses in private estates is ensuring more people get to experience anti social behaviour. I don’t know what it is but even when a few of these types of families live in an estate the anti social ones seem to find each other. Then you have the usual ****e such as fly tipping, drinking in the front garden, old cars being abandoned, feral kids etc.

Wheeliebin30 · 20-10-2018 08:28PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

These days the policy of putting HAP tenants or a few social houses in private estates is ensuring more people get to experience anti social behaviour. I don’t know what it is but even when a few of these types of families live in an estate the anti social ones seem to find each other. Then you have the usual ****e such as fly tipping, drinking in the front garden, old cars being abandoned, feral kids etc.

It’s the governments fault for not putting the people in private estates.

Nothing to do with personal responsibility at all.

ziggyman17 · 20-10-2018 08:30PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

What do you expect the council to do though? They arent allowed to kill people. And if they evict them from one place , they have to rehouse em somewhere else.

well, they should not have too,,, you or your family members cause trouble then you are out on the street, want to stay in a house or apartment ( for free for all of the scum) then behave and make sure your kids behave or else your out, after all you brought these things into the world, now control them, this ****ing world is getting worse by the year with the amount of do gooding ****ers that infest the place..

hairyslug · 20-10-2018 08:33PM

When I lived in arklow, we had a young lad try to break in on a bank holiday Monday, just after we moved in, gardai called around and knew him well enough, that was the start of a few years of hassle, bottles and blocks put through the windows, bin and hedge set on fire, stones thrown at the windows and car damaged.

They eventually grew up and were replaced by kids dealing. Gardai were not willing to do anything. It felt like we were in The Wire, we got to know when they got their deliveries, how they got them in and how they got them out of the estate.

Bassfish · 20-10-2018 09:07PM

I've experienced trouble in an estate I lived in and the scary thing is it only takes one family in 50 to turn a nice area in to a rough area. One house in the middle of the road I lived on was given to roughest family you can imagine, a reclusive alcoholic mother with her three sons, late teen/early 20s. The whole family well known to the Garai. They had their like minded friends over 4/5 nights a week, loud music, drinking, modified cars being revved into the early hours. Rubbish was built up in the yard until the council came and took it every six months. Everyone in the road, myself included, were in fear of them and wouldn't open our mouths to them for fear of reprisals. The Gardaí were powerless. Luckily I was renting there so wasn't tied to the place.
I realised that there's a good reason people go to great extents to buy in 'nicer' areas.
When i was buying my first house in a new build estate as a husband and father, in spite of hating snobbery and elitism I had to ask my solicitor to check how many social houses were being built in the estate because I was terrified of having to raise kids in the environment I lived in before. I honestly don't care how the person next door got their house, whether they bought it outright or were allocated it by the council. My two best friends are from one of the roughest estates in Cork and you could not meet more decent families than theirs but the unfortunate reality is that with a lot of social housing comes a lot of social problems and these spill over in to the wider community. Most people just want to feel safe and content in their homes and those can afford it will pay a premium to live places where the chances of living among these problems are minimised. Myself included!

r93kaey5p2izun · 20-10-2018 09:20PM

Yes I have experienced a lot of antisocial behaviour living in council estates. People sitting on your wall and coming into your garden drinking cans and playing loud music, kicking a ball against your door repeatedly is a daily occurrence. Scramblers being driven across greens and footpaths. Joyriding and burnt out cars. Horses on the greeen as a matter of course. Dealing in the alleyways. Cars vandalised. Pets attacked and injured. A few murders, stabbings and shootings just outside. I have found that my home area has improved on the surface in recent years as there is more money around but there is actually more serious crime than ever if you dig a little deeper. The young lads are now working for big players that seem to have taken control if the area.

JamesTom · 20-10-2018 09:22PM

Community spirit is gone in estates, everyone is a stranger. People should make some effort to be more friendly.

20-10-2018 09:36PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

What do you expect the council to do though? They arent allowed to kill people. And if they evict them from one place , they have to rehouse em somewhere else.

I don’t think that’s true, if someone’s evicted from social housing they lose their entilitment afaik

JamesTom · 20-10-2018 09:44PM

Johan Repulsive TwinMGS wrote: »

I don’t think that’s true, if someone’s evicted from social housing they lose their entilitment afaik

Have you something to back that up? Link.

Ally Dick · 20-10-2018 09:53PM

Any improvement in an area is never down to the useless lazy gardai anyway

El_Bee · 20-10-2018 10:19PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Any improvement in an area is never down to the useless lazy gardai anyway

Motorbikes going up and down the road the entire day, not a single garda car to stop them, they don't even try

20-10-2018 10:20PM

Johan Repulsive TwinMGS wrote: »

I don’t think that’s true, if someone’s evicted from social housing they lose their entilitment afaik

I know of a 'trouble' tenant that has been rehoused FIVE times by Louth County Council. Wrecked every house she ever went into.

Your Face · 20-10-2018 10:24PM

This is a good thread for people who may not know about the reality of the situation.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 20-10-2018 10:28PM

Your Face wrote: »

This is a good thread for people who may not know about the reality of the situation.

I'm sure we're all about to be labeled as bigots and elitist in a few posts time

John_Rambo · 20-10-2018 10:43PM

biko wrote: »

I wonder will all examples be from Dublin and surrounds, the ASB capital of Ireland..

I presume you mean ASBO and not ASB, the Australian bank?

We don't have ASBO culture in Ireland, that's a United Kingdom behaviour restriction court order that's leaked in to Irish vernacular from people like yourself soaked in UK culture from day time trash TV and English soap operas.

But don't let that stop you with your usual (boring) parochial Irish regional bashing.

Mrs OBumble · 20-10-2018 10:55PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I presume you mean ASBO and not ASB, the Australian bank?

We don't have ASBO culture in Ireland, that's a United Kingdom behaviour restriction court order that's leaked in to Irish vernacular from people like yourself soaked in UK culture from day time trash TV and English soap operas.

But don't let that stop you with your usual (boring) parochial Irish regional bashing.

You're right there's no ASBO culture, because court orders don't really have a deterrent effect on Irish people.

But there's a strong ASB culture (and it's got nothing to do with the Auckland Savings Bank - the Aussie one is called the CBA).

All councils and voluntary housing associations try to minimise ASB. But really it's a losing fight, given their tenant base.

20-10-2018 11:13PM

JamesTom wrote: »

Have you something to back that up? Link.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/local_authority_and_social_housing/anti_social_behaviour.html#l1d91f

Gunmonkey · 20-10-2018 11:34PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I'm sure we're all about to be labeled as bigots and elitist in a few posts time

Most likely, with a few "ah yis dont know what we have to go through yis are all fatcats living in ivory towers, sure were givn nothing and de guberment are always taking taking taking"

or

"ah shure didnt ya do the same yerself growing up, they are just having a bit of fun, yis are a pack of dry****es, wouldnt know fun if it hit yis in the face"

John_Rambo · 20-10-2018 11:55PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You're right there's no ASBO culture, because court orders don't really have a deterrent effect on Irish people.

But there's a strong ASB culture (and it's got nothing to do with the Auckland Savings Bank - the Aussie one is called the CBA).

All councils and voluntary housing associations try to minimise ASB. But really it's a losing fight, given their tenant base.

I know.

r93kaey5p2izun · 21-10-2018 12:01AM

We do have ASBOs in Ireland but they are rarely used. But I know some who have been issued with them.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 21-10-2018 12:09AM

Your Face wrote: »

This is a good thread for people who may not know about the reality of the situation.

It’s shocking to me. Why aren’t these stories more widely known?

klaaaz · 21-10-2018 12:13AM

This issue mainly affects working class estates or the rare case of a middle-upper class one. The council officers who never live in working class areas do not care where they put the troublesome families as they never have to live with the consequences. The only solution for the victims is to move house.

endacl · 21-10-2018 12:23AM

Austria! wrote: »

Is anti social behaviour increasing, and what solutions are there?

Optional sterilisation.

I know, I know.... I'm a nazi.

Bear with me. How about if the state were to offer a reeeeeallllly attractive payment, high 5 figures, for 3rd generation welfare recipients who will not engage with training/education, on a purely voluntary basis, to undergo a straightforward procedure? It'd pay for a few years of Dutch Gold and Sky Sports. And save us all a fortune in the long term.

n!ghtmancometh · 21-10-2018 12:27AM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

It is - social housing estates were a bad idea to begin with. This idiotic policy of up to 30% of some estates being social housing is as equally misguided. It should be 10% max with complaints very quickly followed up on and people moved to shipping containers who cause trouble.

I disagree with this and I lived in a council/social housing estate until I was 12, as is detailed in post #2 of this thread.

The reason the estate I lived in got so bad was down to the council not bothering to deal with issues when they first started getting out of hand, ie, not warning problem tenants early and not following up on complaints. Once the troublemakers saw they were getting away with their behaviour, and the non troublemakers realised they were powerless and stopped caring, then the area went into freefall.

Better management and co-operation between the council, residents group and the Gardai would have solved a lot of the issues if the complaints had been paid any mind early on. I remember the estate being bad one summer with cars, must have been 1998 as the world cup was on, and the community guards and local priest put on an evening five a side tournament for roughly 10-16 year olds and trouble dropped dramatically for those few weeks. But returned once nothing else followed it.

The 'social housing is poison' myth seems to have been readily bought by the media, public and policy makers, no doubt encouraged by private developers keen to get their hands on public land for 'affordable' housing. In my opinion and actual experience, it's actually bad management, lack of foresight and complete disinterest on councils part that is/was the main problem.

dhaughton99 · 21-10-2018 12:30AM

Small estate here of 30 council houses. For years, 2 families caused major hassle. One lot was robbing and dealing crack and heroin, the other lot you had all types of large gangs being brought in on scramblers, horses, stolen cars and the usual agro. One Xmas, travelers came looking for their money that was owed on the drugs and machetes were drawn and one of them ended up losing 3 fingers and a large scar across his face. They were gone within the week after that. Moved to another council house in a different county. The other family are still here and no one will tackle them because they are an extended family and have 3 houses in the estate. This year, 20 council houses were built in a field beside our estate and one of the sons, who is nothing but a toe rag has given one of these new 3 bedroom houses. Just seen him walking around to his old house 2 hours ago out of his head. None of the family ever worked a day in their lives and now have 4 houses out of an estate of 50. To say we were gutted is an understatement.

21-10-2018 12:38AM

Well actually I’ve just remembered an incident but it’s not in a council estate but still feel like it suits the thread.

A family member of mine who lives in a semi private estate has neighbours who I believe are devote Muslims. Prayers at early hours the whole nine yards.

However one tradition or whatever you’d called it these people have decided to bring to Ireland is the husband beats his wife. quite awfully. My family member who is not a big fan of such carry on one day reached their boiling point, when this particular neighbour was murdering his wife outside on the public green.

Despite this family members spouse asking them not to, they took themselves outside and proceeded to beat the husband twice as bad as he beat his wife. It took 4 other neighbours to detach the family member from the gentleman.

In my opinion they should’ve left him at it, but as their spouse points out, they may not have stopped till the neighbour had been killed by the sounds of things.

21-10-2018 12:41AM

Grew up in the Bogside and Creggan. While most of the time the antisocial behaviour was towards the army/police you'd on occasion get some mavericks who thought they were impervious.

I lived away from the main roads so when riot season started it wasn't as bad but I had a few mates that were right in the hot zone and it was a ****ing nightmare for them. Petrol bombs, gas, rubber bullets etc. We often had the army choppers flying low and I saw the Saracens a few times, they were loud.

As for the scrotes joyriding, well they were flat out idiots. Most of the time it'd be a warning then it'd be their knees after that. Incredible the amount that continued to joyride, throw bangers in letterboxes and generally terrorise the locals.

A friend of mines younger brother was apparently nailed to a fence about 10 years ago for dealing drugs to kids. My family home isn't in those areas any more but I hear it's much worse than it was when I was growing up. Mind you, for me, Galliagh was always the go to for complete lawlessness.

Your experiences of Anti Social Behaviour in Estates

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