A Whole Lot of Hate

20-10-2018 05:13PM

Was at a business event after the budget where a guy made a speech warning that ordinary people mightn’t continue to be a silent majority, whose interests are put behind thos I’d people who do not work. He actually cited the case in Thurles as well and said there should have been more tax cuts in the budget for workers.

Another fairly mild mannered guy I know lately has been making what I think is a v good point about social housing. His work brought him to a new development last year and he said the people in the houses were enjoying a better standard than nearly everyone who pays for their own mortgage.
Obviously that shouldn’t be the case. Some might paint you as a fascist for saying that, but it’s common sense.

Purple Mountain · 20-10-2018 05:14PM

Not another Margaret Cash thread!

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 05:14PM

biko wrote: »

Even thought the left have been pushing the agenda for years - disagreement with you and healthy criticism is not "hate speech"

There are a few people here who don't read a thing, they just see it's about criticism of sacred cows so they just keep throwing out "You're racist" posts, get super snarky when challenged and then scuttle off. They're as bitter as people whom the OP is talking about. Personally I would like if people didn't engage with them as they don't have any discussion to be doing - just snarky remarks to throw out.

hatrickpatrick · 20-10-2018 05:16PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

The most you tell people that a certain point of view is non-negotiably unacceptable to even hold privately, the more some people will double down on it. Part of the hatred for Travellers is born out of the fact that discussing the lifestyle in any critical or negative tone whatsoever is regarded as instantly and automatically 'sinful'. When people can't air their opinions, those repressed opinions are, much like pent up emotions, likely to fester and become more and more resentful over time.

mosstin · 20-10-2018 05:16PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Not another Margaret Cash thread!

It is only if you want to make it one.

Commander Data · 20-10-2018 05:27PM

The dominant mind-set is one of blaming and/or scapegoating - always looking for 'the enemy'. Things happen in life, and at some point we have a choice; to become bitter or better. If the latter is chosen, hope is instilled and possible improvement to people's lives prevails.

goat2 · 20-10-2018 05:35PM

Equality = hate
wow

Idbatterim · 20-10-2018 05:47PM

in any other country, they wouldnt be bent over for, apologies made for them. Theyd be seen for the scum they are, In ireland? the media and liberal do gooders tripping over themselves to excuse their actions. You can throw our f'ing spineless waste of space politicians onto that heap too!

how much are mental health services being underfunded, could prevent suicide etc. How long are people spending on trolleys? **** infrastructure, ridiculous marginal rate of tax. In fact most things here are a joke partly due to lack of funding, but we do have enough for an world class welfare state!

Absolute banana republic, only voting in the presidential election due to caseys comments and I might vote for Renua in the generals... IF I even bother wasting several minutes of my day. Voting in the same old ****, served up by the same old morons!

corner of hells · 20-10-2018 06:21PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

in any other country, they wouldnt be bent over for, apologies made for them. Theyd be seen for the scum they are, In ireland? the media and liberal do gooders tripping over themselves to excuse their actions. You can throw our f'ing spineless waste of space politicians onto that heap too!

how much are mental health services being underfunded, could prevent suicide etc. How long are people spending on trolleys? **** infrastructure, ridiculous marginal rate of tax. In fact most things here are a joke partly due to lack of funding, but we do have enough for an world class welfare state!

Absolute banana republic, only voting in the presidential election due to caseys comments and I might vote for Renua in the generals... IF I even bother wasting several minutes of my day. Voting in the same old ****, served up by the same old morons!

I hope for Renuas sake those general elections come quickly , because the way they resign out of that party , you might be able to to run for election yourself.

Blazer · 20-10-2018 06:34PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe people are finally getting fed up of being taken for a ride?

except for Margaret...she loves the ride obviously.

The Legend Of Kira · 20-10-2018 06:35PM

A lot of people have grievances with travellers whether its due to personal experiences or if people feel that travellers are ungrateful turning down free houses as the recent news story, then to be talked down to by left wing groups for having grievances you re " racist " etc.

Take Peter Casey for example whether he still runs as a candidate or not remains to be seen , but after his comments left wing groups issued statements that he should stand down & he shouldn,t be allowed run as a candidate, these very same left groups pro claim themselves to be " pro choice " yet they want to deny people/the electorate the " choice " to vote for Peter Casey.

Try_harder · 20-10-2018 06:35PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Boards got taken over by RW naturalists- its like mad max in AH

mosstin · 20-10-2018 06:38PM

goat2 wrote: »

Equality = hate
wow

"free loading parasites" and "scum" just two of the phrases used so far in this thread to describe groups. Yup, hate.

AllForIt · 20-10-2018 06:41PM

mosstin wrote: »

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

Not sure if I would describe it as a mob but there is a distinct group of people who appear to no matter what social issue is at hand, if what being said could be taken to be an attack on any demographic, they dismiss the core issue and talk about prejudice as a top priority. It is as if they think that the issue of prejudice is even worse that whatever is being discussed.

For example last night I was listening to a talk show where the discussion was about Pakistani rape gangs and specifically the comment by Sajid Javid the home sec of the UK, where he refereed to them as Asian gangs. Instead of actually discussing the crimes the primary focus of the discussion became about prejudice. The net effect of this is that in the end prejudice was discussed and the actual scandal wasn't discussed particularly at all. If this were a one off event I wouldn't' mind but EVERY discussion I hear about this winds up being about prejudice which is not the most serious of the 2 issues. It is my belief that it is those kinds of people who in every case put prejudice at the top of the agenda are directly responsible for letting them get away with it for so long.

There is certainly prejudice going on but I'm sorry it is a tiny proportion of what motivates people to discuss the issues and if I'm being cynical or should I say realistic bringing up the issue all the time looks like a deflecting tactic to me.

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 07:09PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Not sure if I would describe it as a mob but there is a distinct group of people who appear to no matter what social issue is at hand, if what being said could be taken to be an attack on any demographic, they dismiss the core issue and talk about prejudice as a top priority. It is as if they think that the issue of prejudice is even worse that whatever is being discussed.

For example last night I was listening to a talk show where the discussion was about Pakistani rape gangs and specifically the comment by Sajid Javid the home sec of the UK, where he refereed to them as Asian gangs. Instead of actually discussing the crimes the primary focus of the discussion became about prejudice. The net effect of this is that in the end prejudice was discussed and the actual scandal wasn't discussed particularly at all. If this were a one off event I wouldn't' mind but EVERY discussion I hear about this winds up being about prejudice which is not the most serious of the 2 issues. It is my belief that it is those kinds of people who in every case put prejudice at the top of the agenda are directly responsible for letting them get away with it for so long.

There is certainly prejudice going on but I'm sorry it is a tiny proportion of what motivates people to discuss the issues and if I'm being cynical or should I say realistic bringing up the issue all the time looks like a deflecting tactic to me.

Right here the very same thing happened on the thread discussing same.

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 07:11PM

mosstin wrote: »

"free loading parasites" and "scum" just two of the phrases used so far in this thread to describe groups. Yup, hate.

ffs what about the behaviour of the people in question? It's far more contemptuous towards others than words on the internet.

mosstin · 20-10-2018 07:23PM

Shaun Mammoth Spatula wrote: »

ffs what about the behaviour of the people in question? It's far more contemptuous towards others than words on the internet.

Have you read my original post? I'm not criticising anyone here, merely observing. I'm talking about hate, pure and simple, regardless if that's a response to something someone's done or the motivation behind the original act.

Spanish Eyes · 20-10-2018 07:26PM

To me, people who subscribe to society, are law abiding, pay their taxes, pay big mortgages, high childcare and commuting costs, and also those young people who cannot afford a house to start off their lives are silenced.

Whereas those who contribute nothing and have none of the above issues demand everything and are supported by the media and Government without question.

It is absolutely no surprise to me that people are very angry and annoyed that their voice is never heard. Even though they are paying for everything anyway.

The pendulum may have swung just a tad too far the other way.

20-10-2018 07:30PM

mosstin wrote: »

Have you read my original post? I'm not criticising anyone here, merely observing. I'm talking about hate, pure and simple, regardless if that's a response to something someone's done or the motivation behind the original act.

Ask yourself why this particular group seems to be so widely disliked by a lot of people. If everyone is so hateful and racist, why are the same comments not so easily found about,say, Chinese people? Could it be because Chinese folks over here mostly just get on with life, education, work and don't cause havoc disproportionately to their numbers? Where do you think these reputations come from for Travelling people. Are they just conjured up from nowhere? Come on now.

mosstin · 20-10-2018 07:33PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Ask yourself why this particular group seems to be so widely disliked by a lot of people. If everyone is so hateful and racist, why are the same comments not so easily found about,say, Chinese people? Could it be because Chinese folks over here mostly just get on with life, education, work and don't cause havoc disproportionately to their numbers? Where do you think these reputations come from for Travelling people. Are they just conjured up from nowhere? Come on now.

You should ask George Hook.

:D:D

Venom · 20-10-2018 07:35PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

mosstin · 20-10-2018 07:35PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Ask yourself why this particular group seems to be so widely disliked by a lot of people. If everyone is so hateful and racist, why are the same comments not so easily found about,say, Chinese people? Could it be because Chinese folks over here mostly just get on with life, education, work and don't cause havoc disproportionately to their numbers? Where do you think these reputations come from for Travelling people. Are they just conjured up from nowhere? Come on now.

And where have I said I'm talking about travellers here? Seriously, I'm talking about reactions to things, how we seem to be much more vitriolic in our desire to demonise groups/individuals these days. Merely an observation and was just throwing it out there to gauge reaction.

20-10-2018 07:40PM

mosstin wrote: »

You should ask George Hook. :D:D

Care to try answer any of the questions I asked? You're the one that made the thread asking for opinions. I gave you some decent and fair questions, so why not answer them?

Wheeliebin30 · 20-10-2018 07:42PM

No hate just people wanting to be listened to without been shouted at.

It’s as simple as that.

20-10-2018 07:43PM

mosstin wrote: »

And where have I said I'm talking about travellers here?

Right here, in your OP;

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

mosstin wrote: »

Seriously, I'm talking about reactions to things, how we seem to be much more vitriolic in our desire to demonise groups/individuals these days. Merely an observation and was just throwing it out there to gauge reaction.

You say we demonise groups/individuals. I dispute that. Which other groups are so widely distrusted and demonised?

Yer Da sells Avon · 20-10-2018 07:48PM

It's more anger than hate. Some of their language is hateful, but we all say hateful things when we're angry. I just don't understand how people can be this angry all the time...

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

A lot of people are sick to fcuk of free loading parasites, and their entitlement.

Patww79 wrote: »

When we decided ebough is enough.

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe people are finally getting fed up of being taken for a ride?

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I suppose when it started to become hate speech, discrimination and incitement to hatred for having the audacity to question the issuing of blank cheques from the taxpayer's purse to certain minority elements of society?

Berserker wrote: »

I think you've hit the nail on the head Patww79. Really starting to get the impression that the average individual, particularly the middle/working class folk who are funding all this nonsense, are fed up with it all. They've had this left wing stuff rammed down their throats for years and you are -ist, take your pick from the list or a right-wing nut if you question it. There is a horrible imbalance in Irish politics, to the left.

I mean, does it not get tiring?

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 20-10-2018 07:49PM

Going to give Peter Casey a number 1 next week. Followed by Micheal d. Casey won't get elected in a million years but if gets 8 or 9 % of first preference it'll send a message to the media and politicians that we've had enough of the pandering to those who don't give a damn about the rest of society

ruahead · 20-10-2018 07:49PM

How do you check most thanked posts in this ?

deaddonkey15 · 20-10-2018 07:55PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Going to give Peter Casey a number 1 next week. Followed by Micheal d. Casey won't get elected in a million years but if gets 8 or 9 % of first preference it'll send a message to the media and politicians that we've had enough of the pandering to those who don't give a damn about the rest of society

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, do you not think you're contradicting yourself a bit by giving Michael D your number 2?

20-10-2018 07:59PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's more anger than hate. Some of their language is hateful, but we all say hateful things when we're angry. I just don't understand how people can be this angry all the time...

How are any of the following hate?

Originally Posted by Roger Hassenforder
A lot of people are sick to fcuk of free loading parasites, and their entitlement.

Originally Posted by Patww79
When we decided enough is enough.

Originally Posted by NIMAN
Maybe people are finally getting fed up of being taken for a ride?

When you cry racism and hatred at stuff that isn't racism and hatred at all, you're taking away from what the actual words really stand for.

A Whole Lot of Hate

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