A Whole Lot of Hate

mosstin

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

MadDog76

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Just now......

TerrorFirmer

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

I suppose when it started to become hate speech, discrimination and incitement to hatred for having the audacity to question the issuing of blank cheques from the taxpayer's purse to certain minority elements of society?

NIMAN

Maybe people are finally getting fed up of being taken for a ride?

McMurphy

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

What's to hate or to bitter about someone stating the bleeding obvious that we are all equals, and should be treated equally?

That's the opposite of bitterness and hate if you ask me.

OldMrBrennan83

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

When we decided ebough is enough.

Gimme A Pound

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Why are you directing it back to "we" being bitter rather than considering the factors causing this anger?

Pkiernan

People are seeing the the political pendulum has swung way too far left.

Roger Hassenforder

A lot of people are sick to fcuk of free loading parasites, and their entitlement.

AllForIt

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

If you are going to make conclusions about thanked posts then I suggest you do the same about your own.

Roger Hassenforder

Margaret Cash, with 38 convictions in a nutshell:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=284234262185509&id=131193550289985

Will I Am Not

If something goes too far one way there will be a push back the other way. It’s the way of the world.

Harry Palmr

The profile of boards has changed enormously along with the chat side of the web generally. It used to be a bit geeky (to use a word I rather loath) and as such topics for discussion didn't alight on tabloideseque "outrage" as routine. Now any old w*nker has access all day, every day. Combine that with the general coarsening of social discourse where everything is framed within binary terms and you get what we see.

mosstin

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

OldMrBrennan83

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The profile of boards has changed enormously along with the chat side of the web generally. It used to be a bit geeky (to use a word I rather loath) and as such topics for discussion didn't alight on tabloideseque "outrage" as routine. Now any old w*nker has access all day, every day. Combine that with the general coarsening of social discourse where everything is framed within binary terms and you get what we see.

Translation: people don't agree with me any more.

Harry Palmr

Patww79 wrote: »

Translation: people don't agree with me any more.

No nothing like that - the internet has changed as it's use has become almost universal. Once upon a time only the rich and cultured went on foreign holidays (Tuscan villa) and now everyone can (Magaluf). This is what happens when something, once rare becomes affordable and accessible

Snotty

mosstin wrote: »

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

Majority opinion becomes "mob mentality" when it doesn't met your own personal beliefs

mosstin

Snotty wrote: »

Majority opinion becomes "mob mentality" when it doesn't met your own personal beliefs

Touched a nerve, have I? Again, I repeat, it's the bitterness and gleeful demonising of groups/individuals that I don't get, whether they're on the left or the right.

Snotty

What's actually scariest is the obvious vaccum being created, people are so desperate for anyone opposing the liberal left that a comment about travellers or even Trump, gets huge support.
I'm certainly not on the left, but a swing to radical right isn't my desire either, but this is the direction the left is pushing the ordinary person.

Sunny Disposition

Casey has come out with the kind of thing that a lot of people say privately, especially in parts of the country where a lot of Travellers live.

The fact that it outrages some insufferable liberals is seen as a bonus.

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

For me it was this attack. http://www.thejournal.ie/tipperary-daughter-raid-courts-2358647-Sep2015/

Hitman3000

mosstin wrote:

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Casey suggested their should equality of treatment for everyone, he has got a lot of hate for suggesting equality.

Spanish Eyes

I suppose it all comes from ordinary working people having absolutely NO voice at all.

They cannot criticise anything or anyone or they are called racist or fascist. The media does not give them any traction whatsoever either, and conspires to silence those very people who are paying, through their taxes, for the largesse afforded to freeloaders who demand their entitlement to everything without contributing anything.

The utterances by Peter Casey were fair and measured IMV. All he said was that everyone should be equal, but Travellers are in fact more equal than others. People, the Revenue, the Guards, are all terrified of them, and they get away with a lot of anti social and criminal behaviour because of their culture. That is not right, and Casey was right, everyone should be treated equally.

So the cork came out of the bottle when Casey spoke the truth, no racism, no fascism, just the truth. It was a long time coming. No wonder people are letting fly, it is the first opportunity given to them to voice their feelings.

The media of course want MDH elected, so there won't be much traction there! So therefore Social Media is one place that people can speak out now.

I am so glad Casey said what he did. He did nothing wrong, but the liberal lefties stuttered and muttered (and the Prez candidates too) when asked if they would live beside a halting site. Says it all.

Gimme A Pound

mosstin wrote: »

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

It's anger mostly, and yes, some of those angered use language that there is no need for - and I wouldn't like to be like them, but I'm more concerned about the causes of this anger.

For many years I gave freeloaders the benefit of the doubt - that their awful upbringing meant they didn't have a chance so they didn't really have much choice in the matter etc. I still believe that to an extent - generational welfare dependence is a tough nut to crack and you're at a disadvantage immediately if you're born into a world of poor parenting, lack of education and lack of motivation (whether traveller, settled, immigrant etc). So I do fully agree with the existence of a state support apparatus to help people take the steps to a better life.

The realisation dawned on me I'd say... about five years ago, that the contingent which takes the piss - I mean really really does - is a real thing, and they're not that small a minority. And they believe they're entitled, not one bit appreciative, and just want more and more, while having a hostile aggressive attitude and blaming everything on the government while getting those handouts and doing nothing themselves. They're pretty reprehensible. As greedy and selfish as the people whom they protest. Anti water charge protesters really made me see this.

With travellers, the above self entitlement and lack of personal responsibility (not from all of them, I know) goes into overdrive given their victimhood complex and the problems with disproportionate levels of violence and crime and abuse being seen as their birthright.

And it's fashionable to sneer at the middle class, and the term working class is incorrectly applied to the first group I mentioned (hint: "working" class = "working") so people who work hard, pay all of their dues, make sacrifices... yeah I'd still prefer that life to lounging around on the dole all day, but I'm still disgusted by the likes of grabbing, ungrateful Margaret Cash, Erica Fleming and the moronic media that make them out to be the victims.

It's a disgrace really.

Gimme A Pound

Deleted User wrote: »

For me it was this attack. http://www.thejournal.ie/tipperary-daughter-raid-courts-2358647-Sep2015/

Yeah me too - that played a big role. An extremely extremely upsetting case.

dav3

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

There's not that much hate out there, it only exists online and is never reflected in election results.

A lot of it can do with poor levels of moderation on websites. If enough racist or hateful posters can weasel their way into a moderator position, it usually ends up reflected in the type of postings on the website.

Zonda999

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I suppose it all comes from ordinary working people having absolutely NO voice at all.

They cannot criticise anything or anyone or they are called racist or fascist. The media does not give them any traction whatsoever either, and conspires to silence those very people who are paying, through their taxes, for the largesse afforded to freeloaders who demand their entitlement to everything without contributing anything.
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Even if such arguments cannot in any plausible way be classed as racist or fascist, they will be classed as "divisive" (and "populist", to an extent), and all the associated connotations of those terms. Its pathetic and only serves to quash genuine debate.

biko

Even thought the left have been pushing the agenda for years - disagreement with you and healthy criticism is not "hate speech"

Hitman3000

dav3 wrote:

A lot of it can do with poor levels of moderation on websites. If enough racist or hateful posters can weasel their way into a moderator position, it usually ends up reflected in the type of postings on the website.

You want this thread shut as well. What have you against others voicing their opinion?

Berserker

Patww79 wrote: »

When we decided ebough is enough.

I think you've hit the nail on the head Patww79. Really starting to get the impression that the average individual, particularly the middle/working class folk who are funding all this nonsense, are fed up with it all. They've had this left wing stuff rammed down their throats for years and you are -ist, take your pick from the list or a right-wing nut if you question it. There is a horrible imbalance in Irish politics, to the left.

Hitman3000

dav3 wrote:

A lot of it can do with poor levels of moderation on websites. If enough racist or hateful posters can weasel their way into a moderator position, it usually ends up reflected in the type of postings on the website.

You're suggesting the Mods or potential Mods are racist? Can you back this up and which particular Mods are racist?

Sunny Disposition

Was at a business event after the budget where a guy made a speech warning that ordinary people mightn’t continue to be a silent majority, whose interests are put behind thos I’d people who do not work. He actually cited the case in Thurles as well and said there should have been more tax cuts in the budget for workers.

Another fairly mild mannered guy I know lately has been making what I think is a v good point about social housing. His work brought him to a new development last year and he said the people in the houses were enjoying a better standard than nearly everyone who pays for their own mortgage.
Obviously that shouldn’t be the case. Some might paint you as a fascist for saying that, but it’s common sense.

Purple Mountain

Not another Margaret Cash thread!

Gimme A Pound

biko wrote: »

Even thought the left have been pushing the agenda for years - disagreement with you and healthy criticism is not "hate speech"

There are a few people here who don't read a thing, they just see it's about criticism of sacred cows so they just keep throwing out "You're racist" posts, get super snarky when challenged and then scuttle off. They're as bitter as people whom the OP is talking about. Personally I would like if people didn't engage with them as they don't have any discussion to be doing - just snarky remarks to throw out.

hatrickpatrick

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

The most you tell people that a certain point of view is non-negotiably unacceptable to even hold privately, the more some people will double down on it. Part of the hatred for Travellers is born out of the fact that discussing the lifestyle in any critical or negative tone whatsoever is regarded as instantly and automatically 'sinful'. When people can't air their opinions, those repressed opinions are, much like pent up emotions, likely to fester and become more and more resentful over time.

mosstin

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Not another Margaret Cash thread!

It is only if you want to make it one.

Commander Data

The dominant mind-set is one of blaming and/or scapegoating - always looking for 'the enemy'. Things happen in life, and at some point we have a choice; to become bitter or better. If the latter is chosen, hope is instilled and possible improvement to people's lives prevails.

goat2

Equality = hate
wow

Idbatterim

in any other country, they wouldnt be bent over for, apologies made for them. Theyd be seen for the scum they are, In ireland? the media and liberal do gooders tripping over themselves to excuse their actions. You can throw our f'ing spineless waste of space politicians onto that heap too!

how much are mental health services being underfunded, could prevent suicide etc. How long are people spending on trolleys? **** infrastructure, ridiculous marginal rate of tax. In fact most things here are a joke partly due to lack of funding, but we do have enough for an world class welfare state!

Absolute banana republic, only voting in the presidential election due to caseys comments and I might vote for Renua in the generals... IF I even bother wasting several minutes of my day. Voting in the same old ****, served up by the same old morons!

corner of hells

Idbatterim wrote: »

in any other country, they wouldnt be bent over for, apologies made for them. Theyd be seen for the scum they are, In ireland? the media and liberal do gooders tripping over themselves to excuse their actions. You can throw our f'ing spineless waste of space politicians onto that heap too!

how much are mental health services being underfunded, could prevent suicide etc. How long are people spending on trolleys? **** infrastructure, ridiculous marginal rate of tax. In fact most things here are a joke partly due to lack of funding, but we do have enough for an world class welfare state!

Absolute banana republic, only voting in the presidential election due to caseys comments and I might vote for Renua in the generals... IF I even bother wasting several minutes of my day. Voting in the same old ****, served up by the same old morons!

I hope for Renuas sake those general elections come quickly , because the way they resign out of that party , you might be able to to run for election yourself.

Blazer

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe people are finally getting fed up of being taken for a ride?

except for Margaret...she loves the ride obviously.

The Legend Of Kira

A lot of people have grievances with travellers whether its due to personal experiences or if people feel that travellers are ungrateful turning down free houses as the recent news story, then to be talked down to by left wing groups for having grievances you re " racist " etc.

Take Peter Casey for example whether he still runs as a candidate or not remains to be seen , but after his comments left wing groups issued statements that he should stand down & he shouldn,t be allowed run as a candidate, these very same left groups pro claim themselves to be " pro choice " yet they want to deny people/the electorate the " choice " to vote for Peter Casey.

Try_harder

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.


There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Boards got taken over by RW naturalists- its like mad max in AH

mosstin

goat2 wrote: »

Equality = hate
wow

"free loading parasites" and "scum" just two of the phrases used so far in this thread to describe groups. Yup, hate.

AllForIt

mosstin wrote: »

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

Not sure if I would describe it as a mob but there is a distinct group of people who appear to no matter what social issue is at hand, if what being said could be taken to be an attack on any demographic, they dismiss the core issue and talk about prejudice as a top priority. It is as if they think that the issue of prejudice is even worse that whatever is being discussed.

For example last night I was listening to a talk show where the discussion was about Pakistani rape gangs and specifically the comment by Sajid Javid the home sec of the UK, where he refereed to them as Asian gangs. Instead of actually discussing the crimes the primary focus of the discussion became about prejudice. The net effect of this is that in the end prejudice was discussed and the actual scandal wasn't discussed particularly at all. If this were a one off event I wouldn't' mind but EVERY discussion I hear about this winds up being about prejudice which is not the most serious of the 2 issues. It is my belief that it is those kinds of people who in every case put prejudice at the top of the agenda are directly responsible for letting them get away with it for so long.

There is certainly prejudice going on but I'm sorry it is a tiny proportion of what motivates people to discuss the issues and if I'm being cynical or should I say realistic bringing up the issue all the time looks like a deflecting tactic to me.

Gimme A Pound

AllForIt wrote: »

Not sure if I would describe it as a mob but there is a distinct group of people who appear to no matter what social issue is at hand, if what being said could be taken to be an attack on any demographic, they dismiss the core issue and talk about prejudice as a top priority. It is as if they think that the issue of prejudice is even worse that whatever is being discussed.

For example last night I was listening to a talk show where the discussion was about Pakistani rape gangs and specifically the comment by Sajid Javid the home sec of the UK, where he refereed to them as Asian gangs. Instead of actually discussing the crimes the primary focus of the discussion became about prejudice. The net effect of this is that in the end prejudice was discussed and the actual scandal wasn't discussed particularly at all. If this were a one off event I wouldn't' mind but EVERY discussion I hear about this winds up being about prejudice which is not the most serious of the 2 issues. It is my belief that it is those kinds of people who in every case put prejudice at the top of the agenda are directly responsible for letting them get away with it for so long.

There is certainly prejudice going on but I'm sorry it is a tiny proportion of what motivates people to discuss the issues and if I'm being cynical or should I say realistic bringing up the issue all the time looks like a deflecting tactic to me.

Right here the very same thing happened on the thread discussing same.

Gimme A Pound

mosstin wrote: »

"free loading parasites" and "scum" just two of the phrases used so far in this thread to describe groups. Yup, hate.

ffs what about the behaviour of the people in question? It's far more contemptuous towards others than words on the internet.

mosstin

Shaun Mammoth Spatula wrote: »

ffs what about the behaviour of the people in question? It's far more contemptuous towards others than words on the internet.

Have you read my original post? I'm not criticising anyone here, merely observing. I'm talking about hate, pure and simple, regardless if that's a response to something someone's done or the motivation behind the original act.

Spanish Eyes

To me, people who subscribe to society, are law abiding, pay their taxes, pay big mortgages, high childcare and commuting costs, and also those young people who cannot afford a house to start off their lives are silenced.

Whereas those who contribute nothing and have none of the above issues demand everything and are supported by the media and Government without question.

It is absolutely no surprise to me that people are very angry and annoyed that their voice is never heard. Even though they are paying for everything anyway.

The pendulum may have swung just a tad too far the other way.

Omackeral

mosstin wrote: »

Have you read my original post? I'm not criticising anyone here, merely observing. I'm talking about hate, pure and simple, regardless if that's a response to something someone's done or the motivation behind the original act.

Ask yourself why this particular group seems to be so widely disliked by a lot of people. If everyone is so hateful and racist, why are the same comments not so easily found about,say, Chinese people? Could it be because Chinese folks over here mostly just get on with life, education, work and don't cause havoc disproportionately to their numbers? Where do you think these reputations come from for Travelling people. Are they just conjured up from nowhere? Come on now.

mosstin

Omackeral wrote: »

Ask yourself why this particular group seems to be so widely disliked by a lot of people. If everyone is so hateful and racist, why are the same comments not so easily found about,say, Chinese people? Could it be because Chinese folks over here mostly just get on with life, education, work and don't cause havoc disproportionately to their numbers? Where do you think these reputations come from for Travelling people. Are they just conjured up from nowhere? Come on now.

You should ask George Hook. :D:D