A Whole Lot of Hate

mosstin · 20-10-2018 03:38PM #1

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

MadDog76 · 20-10-2018 03:40PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Just now......

TerrorFirmer · 20-10-2018 03:41PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

I suppose when it started to become hate speech, discrimination and incitement to hatred for having the audacity to question the issuing of blank cheques from the taxpayer's purse to certain minority elements of society?

NIMAN · 20-10-2018 03:41PM

Maybe people are finally getting fed up of being taken for a ride?

McMurphy · 20-10-2018 03:42PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

What's to hate or to bitter about someone stating the bleeding obvious that we are all equals, and should be treated equally?

That's the opposite of bitterness and hate if you ask me.

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-10-2018 03:43PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

When we decided ebough is enough.

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 03:43PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Why are you directing it back to "we" being bitter rather than considering the factors causing this anger?

Pkiernan · 20-10-2018 03:43PM

People are seeing the the political pendulum has swung way too far left.

Roger Hassenforder · 20-10-2018 03:44PM

A lot of people are sick to fcuk of free loading parasites, and their entitlement.

AllForIt · 20-10-2018 03:45PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

If you are going to make conclusions about thanked posts then I suggest you do the same about your own.

Roger Hassenforder · 20-10-2018 03:46PM

Margaret Cash, with 38 convictions in a nutshell:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=284234262185509&id=131193550289985

Will I Am Not · 20-10-2018 03:48PM

If something goes too far one way there will be a push back the other way. It’s the way of the world.

Harry Palmr · 20-10-2018 04:13PM

The profile of boards has changed enormously along with the chat side of the web generally. It used to be a bit geeky (to use a word I rather loath) and as such topics for discussion didn't alight on tabloideseque "outrage" as routine. Now any old w*nker has access all day, every day. Combine that with the general coarsening of social discourse where everything is framed within binary terms and you get what we see.

mosstin · 20-10-2018 04:18PM

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-10-2018 04:29PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The profile of boards has changed enormously along with the chat side of the web generally. It used to be a bit geeky (to use a word I rather loath) and as such topics for discussion didn't alight on tabloideseque "outrage" as routine. Now any old w*nker has access all day, every day. Combine that with the general coarsening of social discourse where everything is framed within binary terms and you get what we see.

Translation: people don't agree with me any more.

Harry Palmr · 20-10-2018 04:33PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Translation: people don't agree with me any more.

No nothing like that - the internet has changed as it's use has become almost universal. Once upon a time only the rich and cultured went on foreign holidays (Tuscan villa) and now everyone can (Magaluf). This is what happens when something, once rare becomes affordable and accessible

Snotty · 20-10-2018 04:33PM

mosstin wrote: »

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

Majority opinion becomes "mob mentality" when it doesn't met your own personal beliefs

mosstin · 20-10-2018 04:36PM

Snotty wrote: »

Majority opinion becomes "mob mentality" when it doesn't met your own personal beliefs

Touched a nerve, have I? Again, I repeat, it's the bitterness and gleeful demonising of groups/individuals that I don't get, whether they're on the left or the right.

Snotty · 20-10-2018 04:40PM

What's actually scariest is the obvious vaccum being created, people are so desperate for anyone opposing the liberal left that a comment about travellers or even Trump, gets huge support.
I'm certainly not on the left, but a swing to radical right isn't my desire either, but this is the direction the left is pushing the ordinary person.

20-10-2018 04:43PM

Casey has come out with the kind of thing that a lot of people say privately, especially in parts of the country where a lot of Travellers live.

The fact that it outrages some insufferable liberals is seen as a bonus.

20-10-2018 04:47PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

For me it was this attack. http://www.thejournal.ie/tipperary-daughter-raid-courts-2358647-Sep2015/

Hitman3000 · 20-10-2018 04:54PM

mosstin wrote:

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

Casey suggested their should equality of treatment for everyone, he has got a lot of hate for suggesting equality.

Spanish Eyes · 20-10-2018 04:59PM

I suppose it all comes from ordinary working people having absolutely NO voice at all.

They cannot criticise anything or anyone or they are called racist or fascist. The media does not give them any traction whatsoever either, and conspires to silence those very people who are paying, through their taxes, for the largesse afforded to freeloaders who demand their entitlement to everything without contributing anything.

The utterances by Peter Casey were fair and measured IMV. All he said was that everyone should be equal, but Travellers are in fact more equal than others. People, the Revenue, the Guards, are all terrified of them, and they get away with a lot of anti social and criminal behaviour because of their culture. That is not right, and Casey was right, everyone should be treated equally.

So the cork came out of the bottle when Casey spoke the truth, no racism, no fascism, just the truth. It was a long time coming. No wonder people are letting fly, it is the first opportunity given to them to voice their feelings.

The media of course want MDH elected, so there won't be much traction there! So therefore Social Media is one place that people can speak out now.

I am so glad Casey said what he did. He did nothing wrong, but the liberal lefties stuttered and muttered (and the Prez candidates too) when asked if they would live beside a halting site. Says it all.

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 05:01PM

mosstin wrote: »

I'm not questioning anyone's right to feel unfairly treated but there's a clear mob mentality on here when it comes to certain social issues. That's often expressed in a spiteful way. That's what I'm getting at.

It's anger mostly, and yes, some of those angered use language that there is no need for - and I wouldn't like to be like them, but I'm more concerned about the causes of this anger.

For many years I gave freeloaders the benefit of the doubt - that their awful upbringing meant they didn't have a chance so they didn't really have much choice in the matter etc. I still believe that to an extent - generational welfare dependence is a tough nut to crack and you're at a disadvantage immediately if you're born into a world of poor parenting, lack of education and lack of motivation (whether traveller, settled, immigrant etc). So I do fully agree with the existence of a state support apparatus to help people take the steps to a better life.

The realisation dawned on me I'd say... about five years ago, that the contingent which takes the piss - I mean really really does - is a real thing, and they're not that small a minority. And they believe they're entitled, not one bit appreciative, and just want more and more, while having a hostile aggressive attitude and blaming everything on the government while getting those handouts and doing nothing themselves. They're pretty reprehensible. As greedy and selfish as the people whom they protest. Anti water charge protesters really made me see this.

With travellers, the above self entitlement and lack of personal responsibility (not from all of them, I know) goes into overdrive given their victimhood complex and the problems with disproportionate levels of violence and crime and abuse being seen as their birthright.

And it's fashionable to sneer at the middle class, and the term working class is incorrectly applied to the first group I mentioned (hint: "working" class = "working") so people who work hard, pay all of their dues, make sacrifices... yeah I'd still prefer that life to lounging around on the dole all day, but I'm still disgusted by the likes of grabbing, ungrateful Margaret Cash, Erica Fleming and the moronic media that make them out to be the victims.

It's a disgrace really.

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 05:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

For me it was this attack. http://www.thejournal.ie/tipperary-daughter-raid-courts-2358647-Sep2015/

Yeah me too - that played a big role. An extremely extremely upsetting case.

dav3 · 20-10-2018 05:04PM

mosstin wrote: »

Just a cursory glance at this week's most thanked posts on here were from threads on Peter Casey's opinion on travellers and more opprobrium for Margaret Cash.

There's a lot of hate out there. When did we become so bitter?

There's not that much hate out there, it only exists online and is never reflected in election results.

A lot of it can do with poor levels of moderation on websites. If enough racist or hateful posters can weasel their way into a moderator position, it usually ends up reflected in the type of postings on the website.

Zonda999 · 20-10-2018 05:04PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I suppose it all comes from ordinary working people having absolutely NO voice at all.

They cannot criticise anything or anyone or they are called racist or fascist. The media does not give them any traction whatsoever either, and conspires to silence those very people who are paying, through their taxes, for the largesse afforded to freeloaders who demand their entitlement to everything without contributing anything.
.

Even if such arguments cannot in any plausible way be classed as racist or fascist, they will be classed as "divisive" (and "populist", to an extent), and all the associated connotations of those terms. Its pathetic and only serves to quash genuine debate.

biko · 20-10-2018 05:08PM

Even thought the left have been pushing the agenda for years - disagreement with you and healthy criticism is not "hate speech"

Hitman3000 · 20-10-2018 05:08PM

dav3 wrote:

A lot of it can do with poor levels of moderation on websites. If enough racist or hateful posters can weasel their way into a moderator position, it usually ends up reflected in the type of postings on the website.

You want this thread shut as well. What have you against others voicing their opinion?

Berserker · 20-10-2018 05:09PM

Patww79 wrote: »

When we decided ebough is enough.

I think you've hit the nail on the head Patww79. Really starting to get the impression that the average individual, particularly the middle/working class folk who are funding all this nonsense, are fed up with it all. They've had this left wing stuff rammed down their throats for years and you are -ist, take your pick from the list or a right-wing nut if you question it. There is a horrible imbalance in Irish politics, to the left.

Hitman3000 · 20-10-2018 05:11PM

dav3 wrote:

A lot of it can do with poor levels of moderation on websites. If enough racist or hateful posters can weasel their way into a moderator position, it usually ends up reflected in the type of postings on the website.

You're suggesting the Mods or potential Mods are racist? Can you back this up and which particular Mods are racist?

A Whole Lot of Hate

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