Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

Grolschevik wrote:

Mine didn't. But then I grew up in Belfast, so the radio reports in the morning did that for me...

Would you be nervous & anxious about walking alone in a dangerous/risky area? Not just Belfast but any city. Empty, dark street? Would you be aware of the approaching footsteps behind you? Or like ciara believes are these concerns purely for the ladies?

Deleted User wrote: »

I've gone right off Ciara. It's not right that she's allowed to regularly give a speech on a topic with no guest in the studio, where she states her opinion as fact and there's no-one there to argue the opposite. It's immaterial that I often agree with her. That kind of biased programming has no place on national radio.

I also don't like that all topics seem to be about women's issues, children's issues, medical matters or sexual crime. It's supposed to be a general discussion show. Say what you like about George Hook - he would discuss music and tech, despite knowing nothing about either. Ciara seems afraid to touch a topic on which she isn't an expert.

Topics discussed yesterday and today included (going on podcasts available)

Menopause questions answered
Various topics from week (Gay Cake ruling, Climate change, disclosures)
Banning alcohol on trains
Switching energy providers
Getting your children cooking
National Broadband plan
Need for over 70's to take driving test again
Are women responsible for their own safety

Seems relatively broad and varied to me.

I agree George had the light hearted conversations on music and travel but the current lunchtime show does seem to cover various topical topics.....

I also agree that there are more "obvious female related topics" than we might be used to hearing but are they excessive? Does it not show that they have not been discussed previously and is it not fair that they be discussed for 50% of the population?

Saying that as a man, don't work for newstalk, don't LOVE the show, not a male wannabe feminist, yada yada yada....

Sleeper12 wrote: »

And the majority of victims are male. The only mention of men yesterday was as attackers. Not a hint that men can be victims too.



Ask your male friends. Ask them did their parents warn them about walking alone, accepting lifts, dark parks, unlit roads. Where they warned not to take that short cut home because they were more at risk. Did their parents not warn them that they are more at risk whilst drunk and the more drunk then the more at risk they were? This is standard parenting. Even crossing the road you are more at risk drunk. You honestly believe that parents don't warn their sons about these dangers? Do you have sons? Would you not warn them of the dangers of being too drunk? Dark roads empty parks? If not then please explain why you wouldn't try protect your son as much as your daughter? It doesn't make sense.

Actually standard parenting where I come from would be don't get drunk. And we all walked home alone without any issue, there is no need to be overly hysterical about personal safety.

I'm not getting into further discussion because you will just deflect with how everything is the same for men. I will also ignore snide remarks that I don't care about my son. I don't think there is any point to write a serious reply.

Tell me how wrote: »

On the main point of disagreement, "being raped is equal to being falsely accused of committing rape", if any of us were to tell that to our female friends and colleagues and I suspect we might get more reacting like Ciara than like Larissa.

Who exactly are you quoting here?

jace_da_face wrote: »

Who exactly are you quoting here?

It was what Larissa Nolan said.

Tell me how wrote:

I agree that there isn't a directly comparable national show which most days discusses a male topic such as receding hairline, male suicide rates, man-sheds or affinity with a sports team but if that is the case, I don't necessarily think it is Ciara's fault.

Hey I don't watch sports of any kind so I'm not missing that.

What I meant was that it's lightweight. Yes these decisions or topics are on show but when you get away from the health & women issues it's sitting around a coffee table chatting with friends with only a little knowledge of topic. I didn't hear the climate change one but if there was a guest I'm going to guess that it wasn't a man. Women =good. Men=bad. Possibly a journalist but not one that usually covers issues like climate change. Her experts tend to be not quite experts. If pat Kenny did the same topic he'd most likely be the expert himself but if he had a guest he or she would be a scientist or something like that. It's almost like her show doesn't have to be factual or maybe she believes that she has to dumb it down for female listeners. (not my opinion BTW. My wife and daughter run rings around me and I'm definitely not smarter than them)

You mentioned male receding hairline it's a topic she'd have a little knowledge off yet wouldn't cover it. She could cover male and female hair loss. Women suffer from hair loss too though they are a little more lucky in that they get a general thinning all over rather than the big bald patch men get.

Instead of male suicide rates, why not have a show on male and female suicide rates. The same could have been said about yesterday. It could (should) have been male and female personal responsibility in their own safety.

She rarely has male guests. It very much reminds me of Wamans Way. I do believe that Wamans Way would be doing less knitting and more climate change if it were still going today

I can't think of another show that is so geared to a single sex. Even Hook will have plenty of female guests & experts. At least he used to.. Ryan Tubberty, Joe, Duffy, marian finucane, morning Ireland and many other I can't name or spell their names. All would have equal m/f guests and experts. Maybe sport shows don't have female guests? I don't listen so I don't know

jace_da_face wrote:

Really? I certainly don't remember her claim that. Can you show me at what point in the interview?

I think ciara asked what would be worse. To be falsely accused of rape or to be raped.

I suggest both are horrible. Neither happened to me so I can't really say. The lads in the the rape trail in Belfast will be the lads in the rape trial all their lives. They will always carry it with them and people will treat them accordingly.

Rape victims obviously carry it with them all their lives. It might not effect them publicly unless they made it public but it certainly will effect them privately

jace_da_face wrote:

And by the time Tell Me How jumps in with:

I don't want to put words in his mouth but I think he was trying to br conversation back to that statement ciara made. I could be wrong but I don't think he actually means that the guest made the comment. I think he might have phrased incorrectly but I believe this was the gist of what he meant.

Happy to be corrected

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They had opposing views on the whole thing. The guest feels that ciara banging this drum repeatedly hurts the cause. Ciara seems to believe everytime she says men shouldn't rape that an angel gains its wings

That's not a bad summary actually.

jace_da_face wrote: »

Well this is exactly how the argument gets shifted and misrepresented. The only person who made this comparison was Ciara herself. No one else suggested it. I think the answer to the question should be obvious but is irrelevant, as it was not what her guest argued. It was only brought in by Ciara in her own crazy logic.

She twisted the argument and made that comparison. This is where the straw man fallacy comes in and people need to be aware of that. When you put a question like that to someone, you are trying to stump them. You are trying to get that person to say, 'hang on, I don't agree that the two are equal, so may be you are right then' not realising that the argument had shifted. But the only person to compare the two was Ciara herself.

And by the time Tell Me How jumps in with:


… the whole debate is misrepresented.

Thank you for both using the term straw man and then giving an example of it in your view of what was being discussed.

And then finally ending up stating that the whole debate is misrepresented. Quite delicious really.

sydthebeat wrote: »

That's not exactly what she said, as she put it in a different context

She said that she was thinking what crime towards men would be compatable to rape and she thought falsely accusing someone of rape and them possibly ending in prison would be. It was when she spoke about herself being raped. I don't know what the context is supposed to be or why the statement is so controversial but it was Larissa who said it.

Can I ask what is the problem with it, they might not be the same crime but they both have potential to destroy victims life forever? I might believe false allegations are a lot less common than rape but it doesn't make them any less despicable.

How about Ciara and Jonathan Healy co-hosting a spot. What would happen? Would the universe implode?

I've heard her say it three times now "emasculinated"
Face palm.