"Man-made" Climate Change Lunathicks Out in Full Force

Akrasia wrote: »

Ooooookkk

JFK weather control conspiracy..

Rrrrriiiigghht. I'm just gonna stand over there now....

We shall propose further cooperative efforts between all nations in weather prediction and eventually in weather control.

Akrasia wrote: »

Yep. Although on a grander scale, climate control is something that we are actually trying to do in that we know that CO2 has been the main greenhouse gas driving climate changes throughout the history of our planet, and we've identified that human activity is increasing the concentrations of CO2 in our atmosphere. So we are trying to stop this pollution and regulate concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere to maintain our planet at an average temperature that is optimal for human civilisation

We're not trying to engineer a change to our climate, we're trying to prevent an inadvertent change to global climate through human activity.

The alternative to us trying to control the climate is humanity sleepwalking into our own extinction.

The word 'control' here should really be influence, because even though we have identified the main factors that drive global climate, we are never really in control over it. We just make changes to a couple of the drivers and nudge it in different directions (either deliberately, or by accident)

If we set off a whole load of nuclear weapons, we would change the global climate by causing a nuclear winter. This is a change we would have caused, but we wouldn't be in control over it. Similarly, by emitting billions of tonnes of CO2 into the air, and melting the glaciers and arctic sea ice, we're changing the climate, but not in control of it. Our efforts to prevent climate change are to simply reverse or limit the changes to the biosphere that we have already caused and have identified as being important drivers in the current changes in global climate.

*bolded parts are there because these are the parts I can see 'skeptics' deliberately misrepresenting. CO2 is the main driver of climate change, but not the main greenhouse gas, that's water vapour, but water vapour is passive, in that the concentrations of water vapour depend on the temperature, while co2 is persistent in the air, so it can accumulate and drive temperature changes depending on it's concentration)

Trying to control the climate is very different to being in control, or any of the crazy conspiracy theories that say some shadowy organisation is using climate control as a targeted weapon for some mad reason)

Deleted User wrote: »

One troll has ye in thrall lads, the twain will never meet despite your honourable efforts. He/she/it flourishes by a captive audience...

It is clear that the political system has completely failed us – it shows a total lack of urgency and is backing policies based on wishful thinking.

Scientists made clear the implications of continued carbon emissions in 1990, CO2 in the atmosphere has since increased by 60%. You might say then, that those who govern us intend to kill our children and are presently engaged in a crime against humanity. In any democratic society citizens have not just the right, but also the duty, to rebel against tyranny.


From the 31 October citizens of this country will commit repeated acts of disruptive, non-violent civil disobedience. There will be mass arrests.

We demand the UK declares a state of emergency, takes action to create a zero carbon economy by 2025, and creates a national assembly of ordinary people to decide what our zero carbon future will look like.

We are willing to make personal sacrifices. We are prepared to be arrested and to go to prison. We will lead by example, to inspire similar actions around the world. This requires a global effort but we believe it must begin in the UK, today, where the industrial revolution began.

WesternZulu wrote: »

Ah you're just cherry picking now. The fact that there were hot years in the past is not a validation against global climate change.

The global average temp is increasing. There are years that are hotter than more recent times but the trend line is undoubtedly rising:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series/globe/land_ocean/ytd/12/1918-2018?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1880&lasttrendyear=2018


No one wants to get rid of the greenhouse effect. You have to be trolling.

Without greenhouse gases, the average temperature of Earth's surface would be about −18 °C (0 °F),[2] rather than the present average of 15 °C (59 °F).[3][4][5]

[4] Le Treut H.; Somerville R.; Cubasch U.; Ding Y.; Mauritzen C.; Mokssit A.; Peterson T.; Prather M. Historical overview of climate change science (PDF). Retrieved 14 December 2008. in IPCC AR4 WG1 2007