Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Capt'n Midnight · 12-10-2018 04:18PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

A bit I am missing on this, is the minimum pricing on what the drinks company can sell to the supermarkets at, or what the supermarkets can sell for?

Technically speaking it's the retail price. But expect Diageo & co. to up the price a bit simply because they can. Then again most of the "premium" brands are already at or above the MUP so it'll be the "Dutch Gold" that will go up.

And no it doesn't cost much more to make a premium lagers so all this means is that they'll get as much profit on the cheap stuff as on the premium stuff.

The supermarkets will make a lot more profit on own brand stuff sourced on the continent.

Billy86 · 12-10-2018 04:25PM

One of the most pathetic things about this is that public consumption has been going down for 20 solid years, and in younger demographics we are apparently on the mid to lower end in the EU.

As a smoker I don't mind at all what they have done with the cost of cigarettes in the last 10-15 years, but I only drink maybe 3-4 times a year so don't even have any vested interest in the cost of alcohol and just cannot find any decent excuse for it beyond politicians being out of touch by thinking the Vintners have a lot more sway than they actually do (or at least should) in this day and age.

Ipso · 12-10-2018 04:47PM

squawker wrote: »

Brew your own lads

its extremely easy, 40 pints for €15

sure it takes time, but once you get over the beginner stage

you will never buy that swill from the off-licence or Public house again

Plus, you could sit for hours watching it ferment. Sometimes the inside of the carboy looks like that giant storm on Jupiter.

Amirani · 12-10-2018 05:00PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Like it or not, marketing works. It may or may not work on you, but taking the population as a whole it does work. There's a reason Heineken is substantially dearer than Dutch Gold and it's not because of taxation or the ingredients.

Agreed re Heineken and most mainstream brands.

Craft beer is a little different though, particularly the Irish stuff, as the economics are just very different. They don't get anywhere near the economies of scale as the big international brands, so the average unit cost is just far higher. There's also the fact that they tend to attract much more excise as they're higher percentage than the macro lagers.

I do agreed that they'll probably still be priced at a premium to the bottom tier, but I think the gap will shrink significantly.

hatrickpatrick · 12-10-2018 05:09PM

Ipso wrote: »

Plus, you could sit for hours watching it ferment. Sometimes the inside of the carboy looks like that giant storm on Jupiter.

When I get good enough I'm moving to a glass or PET carboy (using a plastic bucket atm) just for this alone. Time lapses on YouTube make it look incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbMpkeKUoE

Ipso · 12-10-2018 05:35PM

On an industrial scale.

ohnonotgmail · 12-10-2018 06:24PM

Amirani wrote: »

Agreed re Heineken and most mainstream brands.

Craft beer is a little different though, particularly the stuff, as the economics are just very different. They don't get anywhere near the economies of scale as the big international brands, so the average unit cost is just far higher. There's also the fact that they tend to attract much more excise as they're higher percentage than the macro lagers.

I do agreed that they'll probably still be priced at a premium to the bottom tier, but I think the gap will shrink significantly.

while this is true in general microbreweries get 50% relief on excise duty for the beer they produce.

realitykeeper · 12-10-2018 07:48PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Private only healthcare has been proven to absolutely not work, America is the best/worst example of this.

You are all over the map with your opinions with each one being completely incompatible with the previous. Theres no question anymore that you are simply trolling.

Private healthcare works a treat as any true capitalist will tell you. Public and public/private mongrels are a total failure. Constant cribbing about our health service has gone on for as long as I can remember yet people are so wedded to idea of public involvement in healthcare that they cannot see that it is the reason for every failure. In fact, the only time they stop criticizing the health service is when total privatization is mentioned. This shows ideologue mass delusion is widespread in Irish society.

Returning to topic, you seem to be very much in favour of cheap booze and opposed to those of us who favour a MUP. I get that you probably enjoy a drink and like to get it cheap. In contrast, I and all of sobriety society will enjoy smug satisfaction at your expense when the MUP is introduced. That`s just how is is.

Kirby · 12-10-2018 07:58PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

realitykeeper wrote: »

Private healthcare works a treat as any true capitalist will tell you. Public and public/private mongrels are a total failure. Constant cribbing about our health service has gone on for as long as I can remember yet people are so wedded to idea of public involvement in healthcare that they cannot see that it is the reason for every failure. In fact, the only time they stop criticizing the health service is when total privatization is mentioned. This shows ideologue mass delusion is widespread in Irish society.

Returning to topic, you seem to be very much in favour of cheap booze and opposed to those of us who favour a MUP. I get that you probably enjoy a drink and like to get it cheap. In contrast, I and all of sobriety society will enjoy smug satisfaction at your expense when the MUP is introduced. That`s just how is is.

The most successful healthcare systems in the world are all public and goverment funded. Privatised healthcare doesn't work. The shambles that is the US healthcare system is a good example.

This isn't a matter of opinion. You are simply wrong. He's right.

Checkmate19 · 12-10-2018 08:00PM

Saying private healthcare is the way forward is really a silly statement. The best healthcare systems are a mixture of both.

Padraig Mor · 12-10-2018 08:06PM

realitykeeper wrote: »

Returning to topic, you seem to be very much in favour of cheap booze and opposed to those of us who favour a MUP. I get that you probably enjoy a drink and like to get it cheap. In contrast, I and all of sobriety society will enjoy smug satisfaction at your expense when the MUP is introduced. That`s just how is is.

The booze you refer to as "cheap" would be regarded as anything but cheap in most European countries - countries which have less problems with alcohol than Ireland. Do you "and all of sobriety society" have any idea of how you're being played for fools by the publicans?

Checkmate19 · 12-10-2018 08:14PM

Ireland does not have cheap booze compared to most of europe. That's a myth.

hatrickpatrick · 12-10-2018 08:47PM

Ipso wrote: »

On an industrial scale.

How do they manage to do it open like this (and not in a special laboratory-esque sterile room) and not get infections? O_o

PopePalpatine · 12-10-2018 08:50PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How do they manage to do it open like this (and not in a special laboratory-esque sterile room) and not get infections? O_o

They market it as "unfiltered" and snap up some unsuspecting foodies.

Johnnycanyon · 12-10-2018 08:56PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Perhaps when the Brits leave the EU people will be able to get all the cheap alcohol they want on duty free day trips to Hollyhead?

Balanadan · 12-10-2018 08:59PM

I would've thought that the biggest problem of alcohol abuse in Ireland these days isn't amongst those who can only afford to consume the cheapest of drink, but the middle class who sit down in the evenings after work for a glass of wine or a gin and tonic.

hatrickpatrick · 12-10-2018 09:07PM

Balanadan wrote: »

I would've thought that the biggest problem of alcohol abuse in Ireland these days isn't amongst those who can only afford to consume the cheapest of drink, but the middle class who sit down in the evenings after work for a glass of wine or a gin and tonic.

Yes but they're not the ones who have sessions which lead the city at night to be treated like a city and not a rural location where everything gets empty and quiet after dark, so naturally they're not the ones being targeted.

Ipso · 12-10-2018 09:07PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How do they manage to do it open like this (and not in a special laboratory-esque sterile room) and not get infections? O_o

Supposedly it used to be a common technique, Bigfoot is quite a strong beer so maybe once it gets going the alcohol fights of any nasties.

realitykeeper · 13-10-2018 07:25AM

Kirby wrote: »

The most successful healthcare systems in the world are all public and goverment funded. Privatised healthcare doesn't work. The shambles that is the US healthcare system is a good example.

This isn't a matter of opinion. You are simply wrong. He's right.

We could argue "he is", "he isn`t", all day but I prefer intelligent conversation. Now back to topic please.

realitykeeper · 13-10-2018 07:28AM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The booze you refer to as "cheap" would be regarded as anything but cheap in most European countries - countries which have less problems with alcohol than Ireland. Do you "and all of sobriety society" have any idea of how you're being played for fools by the publicans?

Do you know what sobriety means?

13-10-2018 08:08AM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

The absence of a complete ban on all drug pushing/advertising from the purveyors of the drug known as alcohol speaks volumes for how serious this state is about tackling the social consequences of alcoholism. Not at all is the answer.

To actually give these drug dealers such high profile platforms to peddle their socially destructive propaganda beggars belief.

The Rape of Lucretia · 13-10-2018 08:16AM

Balanadan wrote: »

I would've thought that the biggest problem of alcohol abuse in Ireland these days isn't amongst those who can only afford to consume the cheapest of drink, but the middle class who sit down in the evenings after work for a glass of wine or a gin and tonic.

No, its the other way around. The middle class people with their g&t or glass of wine can handle their drink. Its the problem of the lower classes with their slabs of bargain basement price alcohol that mup is tackling. Different standards of education, culture, and self control leave the mup customer much more vulnerable to inflicting on themselves, and upon wider society, the harm of alcohol consumption.
Having said that though, its all relative - any alcohol is harmful - so the middle classes sipping their Beaune has nothing to congratulate itself for. They are damaging their health too.
But the mup legislation will still be effective in protecting the most vulnerable.

13-10-2018 12:10PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No, its the other way around. The middle class people with their g&t or glass of wine can handle their drink. Its the problem of the lower classes with their slabs of bargain basement price alcohol that mup is tackling. Different standards of education, culture, and self control leave the mup customer much more vulnerable to inflicting on themselves, and upon wider society, the harm of alcohol consumption.
Having said that though, its all relative - any alcohol is harmful - so the middle classes sipping their Beaune has nothing to congratulate itself for. They are damaging their health too.
But the mup legislation will still be effective in protecting the most vulnerable.

"The middle classes" can handle their drink but the lower classes cant control themselves and are mad for their slabs of alcohol?! You wouldn't be a fan of stereotyping people at all now would ye?

Very possibly the most snobbish comment I've ever read on boards.:D:D:D:D

13-10-2018 12:10PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No, its the other way around. The middle class people with their g&t or glass of wine can handle their drink. Its the problem of the lower classes with their slabs of bargain basement price alcohol that mup is tackling. Different standards of education, culture, and self control leave the mup customer much more vulnerable to inflicting on themselves, and upon wider society, the harm of alcohol consumption.
Having said that though, its all relative - any alcohol is harmful - so the middle classes sipping their Beaune has nothing to congratulate itself for. They are damaging their health too.
But the mup legislation will still be effective in protecting the most vulnerable.

"The middle classes" can handle their drink but the lower classes cant control themselves and are mad for their slabs of alcohol?! You wouldn't be a fan of stereotyping people at all now would ya?

Very possibly the most snobbish comment I've ever read on boards.:D:D:D:D

Checkmate19 · 13-10-2018 12:20PM

Without a doubt the snobbish thing I have ever read. What a thing to say.

Reputable Rog · 13-10-2018 01:30PM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Without a doubt the snobbish thing I have ever read. What a thing to say.

I reported it because I think it's a deliberate discriminatory and trolling comment. The mods obviously don't care.

Checkmate19 · 13-10-2018 03:08PM

Reporting that comment is a bit over the top. Must have hit a nerve.

Checkmate19 · 13-10-2018 03:13PM

Thats a trolling comment but saying only poor cheap excessive and cheap drink is not. Can't have it both ways.

Reputable Rog · 13-10-2018 03:18PM

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Reporting that comment is a bit over the top. Must have hit a nerve.

Yes stereotyping people based on their means really hits a nerve with me. It was an appalling comment and shouldn't be tolerated.

Checkmate19 · 13-10-2018 03:21PM

Yes and that's what i was commenting on. I was saying it was snobbish. I hate people slaging off other's over there means. It go's on a lot on these boards and is unwarranted.

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