NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 07:31PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Then the government should do what they do best, tax the problem
They can introduce data tax, after 250G per month, the government will impose a tax of € 1 per GB, the money then spent to subsidize 4G and WISPs to expand their network coverage, and keep doing this for 10 to 20 years until the NBP kicks in again.

Hahahahahahahaha

Ultimanemo · 11-10-2018 07:33PM

listermint wrote: »

Clearly you are being idiotic on purpose.

Right ?

Correct

grbear · 11-10-2018 07:38PM

The most infuriating part of this whole mess is that even though he has been a disaster of a Minister you just know that Naughten will get returned at the next election.

I'm stealing this from someone's tweet but Naughten has either been stupid or corrupt in his dealings with McCourt. Either option should make him unelectable.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 07:40PM

grbear wrote: »

The most infuriating part of this whole mess is that even though he has been a disaster of a Minister you just know that Naughten will get returned at the next election.

I'm stealing this from someone's tweet but Naughten has either been stupid or corrupt in his dealings with McCourt. Either option should make him unelectable.

Not in Ireland ...... we seem to have a preference for those

Grab All Association · 11-10-2018 07:41PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Just stop with this nonsense. If wireless was easier to deliver than fibre it would have been done years ago.

grbear · 11-10-2018 07:44PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

grbear wrote: »

The most infuriating part of this whole mess is that even though he has been a disaster of a Minister you just know that Naughten will get returned at the next election.

I'm stealing this from someone's tweet but Naughten has either been stupid or corrupt in his dealings with McCourt. Either option should make him unelectable.

Not in Ireland ...... we seem to have a preference for those

Sure the only way to deal with them cute hoors in the civil service is to send in a cute hoor to represent us.

The high horse brigade · 11-10-2018 07:47PM

Grab All Association wrote: »

Trolling, the same poster has made a few idiotic suggestions

Tigerandahalf · 11-10-2018 07:51PM

I always thought this whole thing should have been done just like the rollout of electricity in the 50s/60s. Have it in state ownership and do it if necessary under a ppp scheme where every broadband user pays a standing charge.

The rollout could be contracted out and perhaps contract out its maintenance there after.

9726_9726 · 11-10-2018 07:57PM

Grab All Association wrote: »

Why was Leonard always in such a bad mood when he was waking up next to (knock knock knock) Penny? ðŸ˜

Pique · 11-10-2018 08:08PM

grbear wrote: »

The most infuriating part of this whole mess is that even though he has been a disaster of a Minister you just know that Naughten will get returned at the next election.

Yeah he will, as he's been a minister and Roscommon hasn't had one of those for a while. However, with this debacle and the opinions of a lot of his constituents being less than favourable of him in general, it might not be quite as easy as say, 6 months ago.

Marlow · 11-10-2018 08:16PM

Well .. the DCCAE website might be down, but their mail still works.

Got this at 19:51

We wish to advise you that it remains the intention to proceed with the Mobile Phone and Broadband Taskforce Stakeholder Forum tomorrow, 12 October, as scheduled.

/M

KOR101 · 11-10-2018 08:39PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my point. It will certainly be a masterstroke if the Government come, cap in hand, asking them to name their price for extending their rural roll-out.

I think the government should stick with this, if they can (A big if) Because the alternative is to essentially restart the procurement process. Ed may say measure twice, cut once, but if they do restart the process, it will be the same muppets running the show the second time around.

m99T · 11-10-2018 08:41PM

Unsurprising results:

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 08:42PM

KOR101 wrote: »

I think the government should stick with this, if they can (A big if) Because the alternative is to essentially restart the procurement process. Ed may say measure twice, cut one, but if they do restart the process, it will be the same muppets running the show the second time around.

Do you mean stick with the McCourt consortium?

KOR101 · 11-10-2018 08:47PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Do you mean stick with the McCourt consortium?

Yes, the others have left the process. If you call one back in McCourt can bring a case. If just SIRO, EIR can bring a case. If EIR, then well they just can't afford it right now.

fritzelly · 11-10-2018 08:48PM

Should take a more radical view and say hey Westnest, Airwire etc - we're gonna give you x millions if you build out your areas with FTTH
No more messing around with a single conglomerate spreading themselves too thin over the country and ending up with everyone waiting ages in all places because an exchange is not upgraded, waiting for funding blah blah
How quickly do you think the regional providers would get this sorted out? May not have the expertise themselves (well some do) but could certainly engage with companies to do it for them locally. Regional investment in local infrastructure employing local people - win win for the counties

Marlow · 11-10-2018 08:55PM

fritzelly wrote: »

No more messing around with a single conglomerate spreading themselves too thin over the country and ending up with everyone waiting ages in all places because an exchange is not upgraded, waiting for funding blah blah

Here is the problem: they already have shown, that they don't want to manage that. Well, Comreg have. Last year the 3.5 GHz spectrum was moved from different FWALA licenses based on area to national spectrum licensing and that ruled all the regional providers out.

The reason it was done was because Comreg didn't have any interest of dealing with too many providers. Takes away too much from their tay time.

fritzelly wrote: »

How quickly do you think the regional providers would get this sorted out? May not have the expertise themselves (well some do) but could certainly engage with companies to do it for them locally. Regional investment in local infrastructure employing local people - win win for the counties

There are several of the regional providers that have looked at, completed plans for or build small segments of FTTH already. Under the radar. It certainly is doable.

The issue is to get the bandwidth to these providers. At regulated fair pricing. And that's something these providers have been crying out for years. If that was done, a lot of those homes would already have had faster connections. A long time ago.

The issue is: OpenEIR has a regulated price for dark fiber, but doesn't have to make it available. eNet manages government fibre, but the pricing is not regulated, so it's extortionate. ESB is a semi state, but ESB telecoms is considered private and not interested in selling dark fibre. Bord Gais / Aurora is not easy to get in contact with, nevermind buy fibre of them. Get the picture ?

/M

Marlow · 11-10-2018 08:57PM

Oh .. and over 80% of the fibre, that OpenEIR has around the country is actually not lit.

/M

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 09:00PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Yes, the others have left the process. If you call one back in McCourt can bring a case. If just SIRO, EIR can bring a case. If EIR, then well they just can't afford it right now.

Brave shout! If the media start digging around this MAN concession and the fact McCourt then profited from the sale of shares in enet that may have been price inflated by the Ministerial decision. I think he might become someone the Government don't want to deal with.

fritzelly · 11-10-2018 09:00PM

Totally follow you which is why whatever plan they had for the NBP access prices should be carried thru as a national plan supporting local ISP's
As for enet - do we not pretty much own it now?
Many many options that should be explored rather than repeating the same ol same ol every few years - it's obvious it's never gonna work.

Marlow · 11-10-2018 09:02PM

fritzelly wrote: »

As for enet - do we not pretty much own it now?

That means nothing until their pricing actually gets regulated.

/M

Marlow · 11-10-2018 09:02PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Brave shout! If the media start digging around this MAN concession and the fact McCourt then profited from the sale of shares in enet that may have been price inflated by the Ministerial decision. I think he might become someone the Government don't want to deal with.

Pretty much spot on. eNet is like a hot potato right now.

/M

m99T · 11-10-2018 09:07PM

Marlow wrote: »

eNet manages government fibre, but the pricing is not regulated, so it's extortionate.
/M

Can unfortunately confirm...

fritzelly · 11-10-2018 09:12PM

Am I reading those prices right for 10Mb??? Good god (and I do assume they mean Megabyte)

m99T · 11-10-2018 09:13PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Am I reading those prices right for 10Mb??? Good god

You surely are! Imagine. Net1 offered us 350MB for even less.

Marlow · 11-10-2018 09:14PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Am I reading those prices right for 10Mb??? Good god

It's a bit old, I'd say. But until start of this year, I was paying 5k/year + VAT for 10 Mbit/s layer2 to eNet .. from Athlone to City West ... and that was highly discounted.

/M

m99T · 11-10-2018 09:15PM

Marlow wrote: »

It's a bit old, I'd say. But until start of this year, I was paying 5k/year + VAT for 10 Mbit/s layer2 to eNet .. from Athlone to City West ... and that was highly discounted.

/M

We told them very quickly what they could do with themselves. Disgusting practices.

fritzelly · 11-10-2018 09:15PM

No one ever bitch about eir's pricing ever again lol

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 09:15PM

Originally Posted by fritzelly
As for enet - do we not pretty much own it now?

Marlow wrote: »

That means nothing until their pricing actually gets regulated.

/M

But as Enet is now 100% owned by the state, the prices are within its control.

Does that not have a potential to resolve this problem?

Marlow · 11-10-2018 09:16PM

fritzelly wrote: »

No one ever bitch about eir's pricing ever again lol

OpenEIRs NGN pricing only became feasable with Option 5 pricing. But that's not uncontended.

It's still pricey at that. BT and ESBt have come a long way over the years.

/M

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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