NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:28PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Actavo does

No they do not. They are a sub-contractor that would be paid for work done and no more. That is not the same as having equity.

SkepticQuark · 11-10-2018 03:30PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

No they do not. They are a sub-contractor that would be paid for work done and no more. That is not the same as having equity.

This is why the whole Denis O Brien nonsense being spewed out even from parties I might normally agree with is just political point scoring bull****.

rodge123 · 11-10-2018 03:46PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Another view is that having viewed the bid the Department realised it was unworkable or too costly and Denis became the scapegoat that allows them to go back to the drawing board i.e. give it to eir.

I'd go with that.....or Denis knows it wont get through so has done a runner so it can collapse in few months and he wont take the fall for it!

wexfordman2 · 11-10-2018 03:47PM

Ten Pin wrote: »

This whole mess is an orchestrated political drama. Naughten possibly getting punished for daring to resign from FG a few years back. FG think they have enough votes in urban areas such that lack of rural broadband doesn't matter to them.

And ff doing their best to scupper the nbp and claim a coup.

Same thing with the potential election coming up, party BS first, country second

westyIrl · 11-10-2018 03:49PM

Ten Pin wrote: »

FG think they have enough votes in urban areas such that lack of rural broadband doesn't matter to them.

I hope they are proven wrong. Naughten took a hit for the govt on this too and I think people will see that.

The biggest question now is how far back this throws the NBP. Naughten resigning basically admits the process isn't salvagable in it's current form.

The only good thing is that it puts the NBP under the spotlight like never before and the bigger the scalps it claims and threatens to claim the more impetus it will receive. Very bad day for the timeline of the whole thing, however as it's now a political football and they (govt and opposition) have their fallguy to boot.

I really never saw the NBP ballooning into what is now becoming a mammoth political issue.

jim

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 03:49PM

Leo forced him out ...... why?

Obviously Naughton did not want to go.

So the question must be WHY? Because the NBP is about to fail totally and a fall-guy was needed?

Seems the most likely scenario to me.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:54PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Leo forced him out ...... why?

Obviously Naughton did not want to go.

So the question must be WHY? Because the NBP is about to fail totally and a fall-guy was needed?

Seems the most likely scenario to me.

Has to be. It didn't even seem that serious what he had done. The bid is obviously ridiculous and now they can stop it blaming Naughten in the process.

Dero · 11-10-2018 03:56PM

wexfordman2 wrote: »

And ff doing their best to scupper the nbp and claim a coup.

Same thing with the potential election coming up, party BS first, country second

If there's any hint of an election, politicians would want to be very careful. In the unlikely event that any called to my door, there is only one issue I care about, and that is broadband.

Should this be scuppered, any candidate or party even tangentially related will be actively voted against.

At this point I don't care if D O'B himself is out stringing the fibre from the poles; just get it done.

The fact that I'm in a dead zone surrounded by 300k areas just rubs salt into the (very old) wounds.

So frustrated.

irishfeen · 11-10-2018 03:57PM

I have an awful feeling that we will see enet withdraw their tender within a few days

rodge123 · 11-10-2018 03:59PM

Yeah I suspect bid if huge sum also and that Leo and his urban buddies aren't willing to pay that much. I think lots of sneaky politics going on from Leo....he's egging for an election and one less minister supporting FG means snap election closer to been called, he's trying to force one without having to call it.
Always got the feeling that the NBP wasn't a priority for Leo....I love him to prove me wrong.

Robxxx7 · 11-10-2018 04:00PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Has to be. It didn't even seem that serious what he had done. The bid is obviously ridiculous and now they can stop it blaming Naughten in the process.

It was serious enough .. you can't have a politician in charge of a multi-million contract to be open to potential bribery/corruption .. he allowed himself to be open to such questions -- even if it never materialsed the process would be tainted.

I agree that Leo probably took the opportunity to use this opportunity to create his fall guy if all the bricks come tumbling down ... crazy situation we are in now

westyIrl · 11-10-2018 04:00PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Leo forced him out ...... why?

Obviously Naughton did not want to go.

So the question must be WHY? Because the NBP is about to fail totally and a fall-guy was needed?

Seems the most likely scenario to me.

Taoiseach making a speech in 10 minutes

Jim

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 04:01PM

So Leo will make a statement at 4:10 pm ........... clarification or more obfuscation?

ED E · 11-10-2018 04:02PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So Leo will make a statement at 4:10 pm ........... clarification or more obfuscation?

Whole load of nothing.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 04:04PM

Robxxx7 wrote: »

It was serious enough .. you can't have a politician in charge of a multi-million contract to be open to potential bribery/corruption .. he allowed himself to be open to such questions -- even if it never materialsed the process would be tainted.

I agree that Leo probably took the opportunity to use this opportunity to create his fall guy if all the bricks come tumbling down ... crazy situation we are in now

True, but by making him resign they know that the NBP is likely to fall with him so the question to be asked is why do that?

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 04:05PM

By the sound of the proposal from the chief-whip, Leo has no intention of answering questions, but only making a statement.

If he attempts that, the result in the chamber should be interesting

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 04:06PM

The opposition didn't even seek his resignation. Has a Minister ever resigned (got sacked) in such circumstances before?

Robxxx7 · 11-10-2018 04:07PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

True, but by making him resign they know that the NBP is likely to fall with him so the question to be asked is why do that?

Perhaps, as you said, they know it was going to fail .so therefore found their fall guy ..

Pique · 11-10-2018 04:07PM

Naughton's comments might be prescient

If I was a cynic, which I'm not I believe the outcome is more about opinion polls than telecoms poles.
"It's more about optics than fibre optics.

dublinman1990 · 11-10-2018 04:09PM

Oireachtas TV is showing Varadkar's statement live from Dail Eireann about Naughten's resignation & current status on the NBP in a few minutes time.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 04:09PM

Newstalk now reporting there were at least six more meetings between McCourt and Naughten and Leo could not tolerate it.

nagel · 11-10-2018 04:10PM

I better renew ripplecom for the next few years, Dennis took the hit, bigger picture maybe after cabinet reshuffle, Murph gets moved to a handier post.

irishfeen · 11-10-2018 04:12PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Newstalk now reporting there were at least six more meetings between McCourt and Naughten and Leo could not tolerate it.

If this is true, Varadkar had no other option to be honest...

TimHorton · 11-10-2018 04:17PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

The opposition didn't even seek his resignation. Has a Minister ever resigned (got sacked) in such circumstances before?

He was effectively sacked...

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 04:18PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Newstalk now reporting there were at least six more meetings between McCourt and Naughten and Leo could not tolerate it.

I doubt if any 'meeting' of the parties were secret.

Did Leo not know about any and all such meetings when/if they occurred?

irishfeen · 11-10-2018 04:20PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I doubt if any 'meeting' of the parties were secret.

Did Leo not know about any and all such meetings when/if they occurred?

To be fair he is the Taoiseach and wouldn't know about the vast majority of other department meeting I presume... he would be way too busy.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 04:21PM

irishfeen wrote: »

To be fair he is the Taoiseach and wouldn't know about the vast majority of other department meeting I presume... he would be way too busy.

On such a primary topic, I would expect him to be very much in the loop.

Tardy Leo is about to appear it seems ....... at 4:30

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 04:21PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I doubt if any 'meeting' of the parties were secret.

Did Leo not know about any and all such meetings when/if they occurred?

It's bizarre. Ivan Yates said that the Taoiseach and Tánaiste were blindsided by his resignation. Apparently he was called in to explain these extra meetings and the meeting somehow ended up with him resigning/getting sacked.

ED E · 11-10-2018 04:22PM

4.30 for Leo.

Mahony0509 · 11-10-2018 04:23PM

Is there any possibility he’s at Aras an Uachtaran right now asking for the president to dissolve parliament? I’m not politically savvy.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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