NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

KOR101 · 10-10-2018 06:50PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Heading into "bribe" territory, one thing after another - this could finish it

No, you have that backwards. The bribe is when Naughton has his lunch paid for. It always struck me that developers were just giving 'petty cash' bribes to politicians in return for really huge favours.

Johnboy1951 · 10-10-2018 07:04PM

BandMember wrote: »

In fairness, Eir have said that their aim now is to concentrate on urban areas and not bother with any further rural stuff that they have not already announced/planned while neither Eir nor SIRO have ever even hinted that they are interested in getting back involved with the NBP at all. Just typical guff from Timmy who never lets anything like the facts, truth or reality get in the way of his statements....

If the invite were issued to re-engage it would clear a lot of questions and implications and complaints, I reckon.

But, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Marlow · 10-10-2018 07:07PM

KOR101 wrote: »

No, you have that backwards. The bribe is when Naughton has his lunch paid for. It always struck me that developers were just giving 'petty cash' bribes to politicians in return for really huge favours.

The money that Naughton paid is whatever it is. That's just RTE stirring the sh*t. The issue is, that Naugthon engage with McCourt when he should have stayed far away. By meeting McCourt in person he has definatly jeopardized the NBP tender.

/M

fritzelly · 10-10-2018 07:09PM

KOR101 wrote: »

No, you have that backwards. The bribe is when Naughton has his lunch paid for. It always struck me that developers were just giving 'petty cash' bribes to politicians in return for really huge favours.

That's why I put it in speech marks - point is getting very comfy with people he shouldn't be in this manner

westyIrl · 10-10-2018 07:10PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If the invite were issued to re-engage it would clear a lot of questions and implications and complaints, I reckon.

It would also consume another couple of years I reckon. I'd agree with you only for the significant further delays it would add to the process and we'd be at 10+ years post-announcement and still nothing done.

And all the talk about it being slow so as to be sure it's done right, staying out of court etc...........they should have read their own guidelines and got a takeaway.

Jim

BandMember · 10-10-2018 07:18PM

Any politician who is responsible for the "pausing" (i.e. delaying things even further) of this project will be thanked by their constituents in the ballot box in the upcoming election. Their thanks will be a P45.

If the other providers had any interest at all in re-entering the process, do you not think that they would already have said so publicly or else through a few whispers into the right ear of the right journalist or politician?

At the moment, the only whispers seem to be from a certain wireless provider who was ruled out of the project in the early stages in an effort to either delay, stall or bring it crashing it down so as they will still have a business....

Ultimanemo · 10-10-2018 07:52PM

BandMember wrote: »

Timmy Dooley: Once a clown, always a clown... :rolleyes:

How the f**k can you bring someone back into a process that they voluntarily left and stated publicly that they are not interested in???

This Timmy Dooley is from Fianna Fáil, I will never vote for Fianna Fáil again

m99T · 10-10-2018 07:53PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

This Timmy Dooley is from Fianna Fáil, I will never vote for Fianna Fáil again

QUICK someone canvas this man!

SkepticQuark · 10-10-2018 08:04PM

It's a lunch for **** sake, you'd think he paid for all inclusive flights to Saudi or something to stay in a 5-star hotel to be wined and dined for a week to keep him in the plan. Sure politic optics is one thing but this is such a non-story for me.

Mahony0509 · 10-10-2018 08:52PM

They're like a load of babies with this bickering. Who gives a damn who gets the tender, just start the process ffs. Get it over and done with. I'm sitting here working off mobile internet for god's sake.

m99T · 10-10-2018 08:53PM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

They're like a load of babies with this bickering. Who gives a damn who gets the tender, just start the process ffs. Get it over and done with. I'm sitting here working off mobile internet for god's sake.

You'll be the same man crying when a ****ty company gets the tender and you're on 3MB fixed wireless.

fritzelly · 10-10-2018 08:57PM

m99T wrote: »

You'll be the same man crying when a ****ty company gets the tender and you're on 3MB fixed wireless.

Then sells it off and they double the price

Marlow · 10-10-2018 09:09PM

m99T wrote: »

You'll be the same man crying when a ****ty company gets the tender and you're on 3MB fixed wireless.

Well, it needs to be 30 Mbit/s minimum, but the problem is, it won't be scalable. And with the amount of IPTV streaming etc. that's going on, 30 Mbit/s is hardly enough.

/M

Ultimanemo · 10-10-2018 09:42PM

Marlow wrote: »

Well, it needs to be 30 Mbit/s minimum, but the problem is, it won't be scalable. And with the amount of IPTV streaming etc. that's going on, 30 Mbit/s is hardly enough.

/M

The other option is to block any video streaming in all the country, then we can live with mobile broadband

Marlow · 10-10-2018 10:06PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

The other option is to block any video streaming in all the country, then we can live with mobile broadband

With MMDS having been switched off and Sky having locked down on card-sharing, that's not an option.

Are you aware of how many households order broadband these days just for the purpose of having IPTV ?

A lot. It's a providers nightmare. Bandwidth consumption is gone 10-20 fold in the last 2-3 years.

/M

fritzelly · 10-10-2018 10:10PM

Marlow wrote: »

A lot. It's a providers nightmare. Bandwidth consumption is gone 10-20 fold in the last 2-3 years.
/M

And still exponentially increasing

Ultimanemo · 10-10-2018 10:23PM

Marlow wrote: »

With MMDS having been switched off and Sky having locked down on card-sharing, that's not an option.

Are you aware of how many households order broadband these days just for the purpose of having IPTV ?

A lot. It's a providers nightmare. Bandwidth consumption is gone 10-20 fold in the last 2-3 years.

/M

That is what I mean, if they can't provide fast Internet to many people, they should prevent everybody from video streaming so whatever Internet connection available will not be congested.

The high horse brigade · 10-10-2018 10:27PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

That is what I mean, if they can't provide fast Internet to many people, they should prevent everybody from video streaming so whatever Internet connection available will not be congested.

This isn't possible, there's ways around every block that could be setup and any blocks would most likely end up just blocking legitimate traffic.

fritzelly · 10-10-2018 10:28PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

That is what I mean, if they can't provide fast Internet to many people, they should prevent everybody from video streaming so whatever Internet connection available will not be congested.

This is not America. If you can't provide the BW for your users at your advertised speed then it's not the consumers fault, it's the providers fault not predicating the requirements of the service they provide (predicating not the right word)
God forbid we ever end up the US way where individual ISP's are allowed to restrict what you can download and from where unless certain companies pay the ISP to allow unrestricted access.
Very dark rabbit hole to be going down.

m99T · 10-10-2018 10:29PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

That is what I mean, if they can't provide fast Internet to many people, they should prevent everybody from video streaming so whatever Internet connection available will not be congested.

The high horse brigade wrote: »

This isn't possible, there's ways around every block that could be setup and any blocks would most likely end up just blocking legitimate traffic.

Absolutely love that this is being discussed as a genuine solution to internet contention in Ireland. :pac:

listermint · 10-10-2018 11:00PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

That is what I mean, if they can't provide fast Internet to many people, they should prevent everybody from video streaming so whatever Internet connection available will not be congested.

Clearly you are being idiotic on purpose.

Right ?

westyIrl · 11-10-2018 12:39AM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

That is what I mean, if they can't provide fast Internet to many people, they should prevent everybody from video streaming so whatever Internet connection available will not be congested.

You might have just tripped over the Department's Plan B :pac::pac:

Marlow · 11-10-2018 12:42AM

westyIrl wrote: »

You might have just tripped over the Department's Plan B :pac::pac:

Outch. There's a few TDs (like one in the Cork region), that tried to force the ISPs to filter. It didn't go well for him.

It's like limiting freedom of speech.

/M

Robxxx7 · 11-10-2018 08:23AM

Nice write up here on how the island of Jersey have gone full fibre broadband -- certainly not taking any short sighted view
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45810063

Wanderer78 · 11-10-2018 08:30AM

Robxxx7 wrote:

Nice write up here on how the island of Jersey have gone full fibre broadband -- certainly not taking any short sighted view

As a fellow tax haven, we could easily do this to

Pique · 11-10-2018 09:26AM

Published at 2.30am!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/broadband-deal-has-been-contaminated-claims-ff-37407100.html

ArrBee · 11-10-2018 10:20AM

What I don't get about this lunch business, and perhaps it's already established and well known, is around the personal releationship between Naughten and McCourt.

I mean, never mind the value of the lunch. the issue that I see is no TD would invite a family in to the Dáil for a meal and pay for it whilst not attending themselves unless there was already a relationship established?

The behavior that Ive been reading, doesn't strike me as wheeling/dealing, whining/dining, shady business behind a curtain type stuff as much as existing friends having meals etc that are dodgy in the context of NBP contracts only.
As has been already said, optics.

If that's true though, it opens a more sinister issue.... if there is an existing relationship, surely the hole thing is contaminated even without the meals and meetings!

KOR101 · 11-10-2018 10:49AM

Not exactly a full backing.......

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/10/11/hes-to-come-back-to-me-with-a-few-more-answers/

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 11:51AM

Robxxx7 wrote: »

Nice write up here on how the island of Jersey have gone full fibre broadband -- certainly not taking any short sighted view
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45810063

A couple of pertinent figures in that .....

The service does not come at a bargain basement price for home users - about &#163;40 per month for broadband and line rental.
Installation is free, while JT reckons it costs &#163;1,300 per home to roll out the service. That will take eight or nine years to recoup.

Marlow · 11-10-2018 01:08PM

1300 GBP per house. And then you have to assume, that not every house takes it. So depending on the uptake, it may take longer to recoup.

OpenEIRs uptake figure is around 20% of the covered premises. SIRO is about 25%. So yes, it's a costly venture.

/M

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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