'The British Isles'

jhenno78 · 08-10-2018 09:13PM

The Western European Archipelago has a nice ring to it. We should call it that.

Ipso wrote: »

Imagine how the Welsh feel; Wales means foreigners, so they're basically foreigners in their own country.

Could be worse, Scotland means "Land of the Irish". Let's not for get that Ireland once had an empire too...ish

Anyway, this is a bit of a silly thing IMO. The only negative of the term in my eyes is that it confuses Americans ever so much.

The Rape of Lucretia · 08-10-2018 09:15PM

swampgas wrote: »

What amuses me is that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, the Britons were Celts, not Anglo-Saxons. So in one way the name The British Isles is just another way of saying The Celtic Isles

Not really. It shows more that the Celtic Britons were the most successful Celts on these islands. As the dominant Celtic faction, naming the islands after the Britons is reasonable.

Graces7 · 08-10-2018 09:24PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not really. It shows more that the Celtic Britons were the most successful Celts on these islands. As the dominant Celtic faction, naming the islands after the Britons is reasonable.

Thank you. sense at last!

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 09:54PM

We were part of the United Kingdom for over 100 years. Like it or not, part of the heritage of each and everyone of us is British.

Recognising that type of heritage is important for a mature people.

Imagine if the Unionists in the North could recognise the Irish aspect of their heritage, and if the Nationalists in the North could recognise the British and Unionist aspect of their heritage.

I mean, there is hardly a single one of us that doesn't have an invader gene in our body.

All of that being said, we are Irish. This post may appear contradictory but the implications are that we shouldn't be too bothered about what the islands are called and we should consider our neighbouring island to be our closest friends.

WesternZulu · 08-10-2018 09:56PM

blanch152 wrote: »

This post may appear contradictory but the implications are that we shouldn't be too bothered about what the islands are called and we should consider our neighbouring island to be our closest friends.

With friends like that who needs enemies.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2018 10:00PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

swampgas wrote: »

What amuses me is that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, the Britons were Celts, not Anglo-Saxons. So in one way the name The British Isles is just another way of saying The Celtic Isles

Not really. It shows more that the Celtic Britons were the most successful Celts on these islands. As the dominant Celtic faction, naming the islands after the Britons is reasonable.

No mention of Romans or Danes? Romans influenced the genetic makeup and the culture in England.

We’re all mongrels of all kinds. It’s just that some people get upset about certain elements while completely ignoring others.

08-10-2018 10:03PM

Hm, I'm saving up all my outrage for Poppy Season this year

J Mysterio · 08-10-2018 10:08PM

blanch152 wrote: »

We were part of the United Kingdom for over 100 years. Like it or not, part of the heritage of each and everyone of us is British.

Recognising that type of heritage is important for a mature people.

Imagine if the Unionists in the North could recognise the Irish aspect of their heritage, and if the Nationalists in the North could recognise the British and Unionist aspect of their heritage.

I mean, there is hardly a single one of us that doesn't have an invader gene in our body.

All of that being said, we are Irish. This post may appear contradictory but the implications are that we shouldn't be too bothered about what the islands are called and we should consider our neighbouring island to be our closest friends.

We were doing pretty good untill Brexit.

There was a lot of love going around. Marty McGuinness and Ol' Paisley were best of friends. McGuinness hung out with the Queen. Cameron apologised for British oppression. The Queen popped over here and spoke a cupla focail. Good times.

Then Brexit. The English, as is their wont, made the mind bogglingly stupid decision to leave the EU and trigger article 50 in a fit of nationalistic hysteria. This was before they considered the implications for us, the North or even themselves.

Its fairly hard to have a friendly attitude to their political class at the moment, vicious as they are. But who elects these people?

Two nice polls released today:

1. 75% of English Conservatives would support the collapse of the peace process as long as Brexit is delivered. (UK poll) 2. 87% of Northern Ireland leave voters say peace process collapse price worth paying for Brexit (NI leave voters are Unionists in the main)

Tom Mann Centuria · 08-10-2018 10:11PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Hm, I'm saving up all my outrage for Poppy Season this year

That's where the real action will be. This is just a warm up. Going to subscribe to the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express to get my source material ready.

FTA69 · 08-10-2018 10:31PM

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Worse again is we're southern Irish. No we're not.

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

The Rape of Lucretia · 08-10-2018 10:33PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

08-10-2018 10:39PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

You spelled Éire wrong..

08-10-2018 10:42PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

That's where the real action will be. This is just a warm up. Going to subscribe to the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express to get my source material ready.

I'm wondering when the first James McClean articles will appear

swampgas · 08-10-2018 10:43PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

I shouldn't, but ....
Má tá tú ag caint faoin tír seo as Gaeilge, is féidir leat an focal "Éire" a úsáid. Muna bhfuil, agus is as Béarla atá tú ag caint, ba cheart duit "Ireland" a úsáid.

Translation: if you're talking in Irish, use Éire, otherwise stick to Ireland.

Also, note that "eire", without the fada (accent) is a different word with a different meaning.

alta stare · 08-10-2018 10:43PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Isn’t it amazing how many Irish people are insecure about British ownership.

The British people who don’t know the regional politics of their own country, tend not to know much about anything outside their own lives. I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape about it.

The missus is English and she had no clue of the troubles when living in England. She moved over here in 97. She said it was never referenced in school so i guess many people may not even know a jot about Ireland itself never mind the British Isles and what that encompasses.

Myself, well personally i dislike the notion of us being in the British Isles even if it means nothing bar geographically.

The Rape of Lucretia · 08-10-2018 10:45PM

swampgas wrote: »

I shouldn't, but ....
Má tá tú ag caint faoin tír seo as Gaeilge, is féidir leat an focal "Éire" a úsáid. Muna bhfuil, agus is as Béarla atá tú ag caint, ba cheart duit "Ireland" a úsáid.

Translation: if you're talking in Irish, use Éire, otherwise stick to Ireland.

Also, note that "eire", without the fada (accent) is a different word with a different meaning.

With capital E, though, with or without the accent, it is unambiguous.

swampgas · 08-10-2018 10:46PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

With capital E, though, with or without the accent, it is unambiguous.

Without the accent it's just wrong.

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 08-10-2018 10:53PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

I alluded to it earlier but it's because of this... The name kinda stuck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ireland_(1921%E2%80%9322)

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-10-2018 10:55PM

Think that is bad, have a read of these anti-Scottish independence loons trying their hardest to rope Ireland into their 'union'

http://www.these-islands.co.uk/values/d2/

The Rape of Lucretia · 08-10-2018 10:55PM

swampgas wrote: »

Without the accent it's just wrong.

Its close enough though, and still in the British Isles with or without accent, which I think is more the discussion.

swampgas · 08-10-2018 10:56PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its close enough though, and still in the British Isles with or without accent, which I think is more the discussion.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that point

FTA69 · 08-10-2018 11:00PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

Typical auld guff from a hoary old Blueshirt.

Dank Janniels · 08-10-2018 11:01PM

We should rename it the Confederation of Unionist +Nationalist Territories, or in short.........

Avatar MIA · 09-10-2018 04:31AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its close enough though, and still in the British Isles with or without accent, which I think is more the discussion.

That's a ridiculous statement.

harry Bailey esq · 09-10-2018 04:41AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The Paedoph Isles

Nah Belgium holds that title bub

whisky_galore · 09-10-2018 05:33AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Fine if you want to sound like a pre War British Pathé newsreel

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2018 07:46AM

WesternZulu wrote: »

I know that it's only a geographical term but it annoys the hell out of me.

There's implied ownership and a significant cohort of people across the water who believe just because we're part of "The British Isles" that it makes us British.

Thank you for referring to dem ‘across the water’.
The GAA Assimilation Committee.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-10-2018 07:49AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

I’ve found that the ones who say ‘southern Irish’ know it’s the part that not in the UK. They just aren’t up on the lingo. If you give people the benefit of the doubt you’ll find that very few of them mean any harm by their faux pas.

It’s completely down to education. I worked in a pizza shop in the uk and none of my colleagues had a clue about the geopolitics of Ireland ( except for one who served in NI with the Green Howards).

I also worked an a public sector job where everyone had at least a degree and typically a masters and a genuine curiosity about things including their own country.

Almost all of those people knew the basics about Ireland. It was part of the UK, fought a rebellion and now there are 2 countries on the island and NI is in the uk.

If someone knows that much and is curious about the situation, how can you be cross with them when they say something like ‘southern Ireland’?

El_Duderino 09 · 09-10-2018 07:59AM

alta stare wrote: »

The missus is English and she had no clue of the troubles when living in England. She moved over here in 97. She said it was never referenced in school so i guess many people may not even know a jot about Ireland itself never mind the British Isles and what that encompasses.

Myself, well personally i dislike the notion of us being in the British Isles even if it means nothing bar geographically.

It’s a bit mad that it’s not taught in schools. It’s not something the current generations need to be ashamed of, but it’s part of the history.

The English are as likely to know about the conflict in Ireland as they are to know about any other regional conflict in the world because they’d get most of it from newspapers. The nationalistic newspapers like the Express won’t cover the history of Ni, neither will the daily mail or the tabloids. So it would have to come from the guardian, times, FT or BBC. That’s a narrow demographic of British people who read those sources.

It’s not wilful ignorance on the part of the individuals. They just don’t hear about the history of Ireland.

There’s no point getting bent out of shape about it. They just don’t know as much about it as we do and we’re generally a it more sensitive about it than they are.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-10-2018 08:08AM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Is it time we started calling it the Irish Isles?

No.

Its time we returned Ireland back to our queen and apologize for making a bollox of the whole thing.

:pac:

'The British Isles'

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