'The British Isles'

ToddyDoody

Is it time we started calling it the Irish Isles?

Niles Crane

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Is it time we started calling it the Irish Isles?

Yes.

KaneToad

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Is it time we started calling it the Irish Isles?

Yes

Yer Da sells Avon

The Paedoph Isles

WesternZulu

I know that it's only a geographical term but it annoys the hell out of me.

There's implied ownership and a significant cohort of people across the water who believe just because we're part of "The British Isles" that it makes us British.

alchemist33

It must be days since we had one of these threads

OldMrBrennan83

It does my sh*te in too. Needs to be done away with.

ToddyDoody

alchemist33 wrote: »

It must be days since we had one of these threads

If there's any term that smacks of a colonial past its this one.

endacl

Paddystan or nothing.

Kevin Finnerty

WesternZulu wrote: »

I know that it's only a geographical term but it annoys the hell out of me.

There's implied ownership and a significant cohort of people across the water who believe just because we're part of "The British Isles" that it makes us British.

Worse again is we're southern Irish. No we're not.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Worse again is we're southern Irish. No we're not.

We were once, for about a year.


When Irish Isles are smiling....

Niles Crane

WesternZulu wrote: »

I know that it's only a geographical term but it annoys the hell out of me.

There's implied ownership and a significant cohort of people across the water who believe just because we're part of "The British Isles" that it makes us British.

I don't think it even is a geographical term and I believe there was a change made and Britain and Ireland is the accepted term in academic circles these days.

I also hate Ireland being called the Republic of Ireland or worse than that the republic.Ireland is the official name of the country.

Omackeral

WesternZulu wrote: »

I know that it's only a geographical term but it annoys the hell out of me.

There's implied ownership and a significant cohort of people across the water who believe just because we're part of "The British Isles" that it makes us British.

At least we own the Irish Sea.

Snotty

British Isles, nackers, dole, Irish language and alcohol price. After Hours is a bloody parody of itself tonight.

Del.Monte

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Is it time we started calling it the Irish Isles?

Perhaps we could do a name swap and the Brits could rename the Irish Sea the British Sea? OP you have little to worry you.

Ipso

Imagine how the Welsh feel; Wales means foreigners, so they're basically foreigners in their own country.

Niles Crane

Del.Monte wrote: »

Perhaps we could do a name swap and the Brits could rename the Irish Sea the British Sea? OP you have little to worry you.

English Channel to be Renamed French Channel aswell?

alias no.9

Niles Crane wrote: »

English Channel to be Renamed French Channel aswell?

La Manche works just fine

ToddyDoody

How much does it cost to unofficially name Scotland and Ireland The Celtic Isles? Nothing, but it puts a nice slant on things.

The Rape of Lucretia

While it does make it sound like the Irish are just tenants on a British isle (and to some extent, they are), using the term Atlantic Archipelago is a pain - whats the point when one would just have to explain it anyway, and have people exclaim 'Ah, the British Isles, why didnt you say so?'
I like the sense of closeness and shared destiny the 'British Isles' conveys about those of us on the larger, and smaller island, and how artificial and unnecessary their not being a single political union as well as a geographical one.

ToddyDoody

Also what is the Wild Atlantic Way? Its just a name really but it made a huge difference.

Roger Hassenforder

*gets popcorn- Waits for Fuaranach*

TheValeyard

Lets call it Atlantic Archipelago

El_Duderino 09

WesternZulu wrote: »

I know that it's only a geographical term but it annoys the hell out of me.

There's implied ownership and a significant cohort of people across the water who believe just because we're part of "The British Isles" that it makes us British.

Isn’t it amazing how many Irish people are insecure about British ownership.

The British people who don’t know the regional politics of their own country, tend not to know much about anything outside their own lives. I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape about it.

TheValeyard

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The British people who don’t know the regional politics of their own country, tend not to know much about anything outside their own lives. I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape about it.

We then they wont realise if we change it!

Duck Soup

The name originates from the 19th century, when Ireland was part of Britain. It remains in common usage because there is no agreement on an alternative descriptor. It's not something I'd be pishing me knickers over right now.

J Mysterio

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

While it does make it sound like the Irish are just tenants on a British isle (and to some extent, they are), using the term Atlantic Archipelago is a pain - whats the point when one would just have to explain it anyway, and have people exclaim 'Ah, the British Isles, why didnt you say so?'
I like the sense of closeness and shared destiny the 'British Isles' conveys about those of us on the larger, and smaller island, and how artificial and unnecessary their not being a single political union as well as a geographical one.

lol

El_Duderino 09

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The British people who don’t know the regional politics of their own country, tend not to know much about anything outside their own lives. I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape about it.

We then they wont realise if we change it!

I do t suppose they would. Although given that they’re a similar kind of patriotic character that gets upset about the ‘British isles’ they would probably be whipped into a similar frenzy about renaming it. The Daily mail, telegraph and Express would make sure of that.

I couldn’t give a toss what it’s called. The current name works because everyone knows what it refers to. Knock yourself out if you’re upset enough to campaign to change it.

whisky_galore

Snotty wrote: »

British Isles, nackers, dole, Irish language and alcohol price. After Hours is a bloody parody of itself tonight.

Just need a Nazi thread for AH Bingo...

swampgas

What amuses me is that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, the Britons were Celts, not Anglo-Saxons. So in one way the name The British Isles is just another way of saying The Celtic Isles

Avatar MIA

ToddyDoody wrote: »

How much does it cost to unofficially name Scotland and Ireland The Celtic Isles? Nothing, but it puts a nice slant on things.

Ireland, and that other well known island... Scotland

jhenno78

The Western European Archipelago has a nice ring to it. We should call it that.

Ipso wrote: »

Imagine how the Welsh feel; Wales means foreigners, so they're basically foreigners in their own country.

Could be worse, Scotland means "Land of the Irish". Let's not for get that Ireland once had an empire too...ish

Anyway, this is a bit of a silly thing IMO. The only negative of the term in my eyes is that it confuses Americans ever so much.

The Rape of Lucretia

swampgas wrote: »

What amuses me is that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, the Britons were Celts, not Anglo-Saxons. So in one way the name The British Isles is just another way of saying The Celtic Isles

Not really. It shows more that the Celtic Britons were the most successful Celts on these islands. As the dominant Celtic faction, naming the islands after the Britons is reasonable.

Graces7

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not really. It shows more that the Celtic Britons were the most successful Celts on these islands. As the dominant Celtic faction, naming the islands after the Britons is reasonable.

Thank you. sense at last!

blanch152

We were part of the United Kingdom for over 100 years. Like it or not, part of the heritage of each and everyone of us is British.

Recognising that type of heritage is important for a mature people.

Imagine if the Unionists in the North could recognise the Irish aspect of their heritage, and if the Nationalists in the North could recognise the British and Unionist aspect of their heritage.

I mean, there is hardly a single one of us that doesn't have an invader gene in our body.

All of that being said, we are Irish. This post may appear contradictory but the implications are that we shouldn't be too bothered about what the islands are called and we should consider our neighbouring island to be our closest friends.

WesternZulu

blanch152 wrote: »

This post may appear contradictory but the implications are that we shouldn't be too bothered about what the islands are called and we should consider our neighbouring island to be our closest friends.

With friends like that who needs enemies.

El_Duderino 09

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

swampgas wrote: »

What amuses me is that, to the best of my knowledge anyway, the Britons were Celts, not Anglo-Saxons. So in one way the name The British Isles is just another way of saying The Celtic Isles

Not really. It shows more that the Celtic Britons were the most successful Celts on these islands. As the dominant Celtic faction, naming the islands after the Britons is reasonable.

No mention of Romans or Danes? Romans influenced the genetic makeup and the culture in England.

We’re all mongrels of all kinds. It’s just that some people get upset about certain elements while completely ignoring others.

riffmongous

Hm, I'm saving up all my outrage for Poppy Season this year

J Mysterio

blanch152 wrote: »

We were part of the United Kingdom for over 100 years. Like it or not, part of the heritage of each and everyone of us is British.

Recognising that type of heritage is important for a mature people.

Imagine if the Unionists in the North could recognise the Irish aspect of their heritage, and if the Nationalists in the North could recognise the British and Unionist aspect of their heritage.

I mean, there is hardly a single one of us that doesn't have an invader gene in our body.

All of that being said, we are Irish. This post may appear contradictory but the implications are that we shouldn't be too bothered about what the islands are called and we should consider our neighbouring island to be our closest friends.

We were doing pretty good untill Brexit.

There was a lot of love going around. Marty McGuinness and Ol' Paisley were best of friends. McGuinness hung out with the Queen. Cameron apologised for British oppression. The Queen popped over here and spoke a cupla focail. Good times.

Then Brexit. The English, as is their wont, made the mind bogglingly stupid decision to leave the EU and trigger article 50 in a fit of nationalistic hysteria. This was before they considered the implications for us, the North or even themselves.

Its fairly hard to have a friendly attitude to their political class at the moment, vicious as they are. But who elects these people?

Two nice polls released today:

1. 75% of English Conservatives would support the collapse of the peace process as long as Brexit is delivered. (UK poll) 2. 87% of Northern Ireland leave voters say peace process collapse price worth paying for Brexit (NI leave voters are Unionists in the main)

Tom Mann Centuria

riffmongous wrote: »

Hm, I'm saving up all my outrage for Poppy Season this year

That's where the real action will be. This is just a warm up. Going to subscribe to the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express to get my source material ready.

FTA69

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Worse again is we're southern Irish. No we're not.

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

The Rape of Lucretia

FTA69 wrote: »

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

riffmongous

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

You spelled Éire wrong..

riffmongous

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

That's where the real action will be. This is just a warm up. Going to subscribe to the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express to get my source material ready.

I'm wondering when the first James McClean articles will appear

swampgas

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Which is why being from the Eire is unambiguous and perfectly useful ?

Why the exclusive use of from 'Ireland' though, while forcing Northern Ireland on those from the UK ?

I shouldn't, but ....
Má tá tú ag caint faoin tír seo as Gaeilge, is féidir leat an focal "Éire" a úsáid. Muna bhfuil, agus is as Béarla atá tú ag caint, ba cheart duit "Ireland" a úsáid.

Translation: if you're talking in Irish, use Éire, otherwise stick to Ireland.

Also, note that "eire", without the fada (accent) is a different word with a different meaning.

alta stare

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Isn’t it amazing how many Irish people are insecure about British ownership.

The British people who don’t know the regional politics of their own country, tend not to know much about anything outside their own lives. I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape about it.

The missus is English and she had no clue of the troubles when living in England. She moved over here in 97. She said it was never referenced in school so i guess many people may not even know a jot about Ireland itself never mind the British Isles and what that encompasses.

Myself, well personally i dislike the notion of us being in the British Isles even if it means nothing bar geographically.

The Rape of Lucretia

swampgas wrote: »

I shouldn't, but ....
Má tá tú ag caint faoin tír seo as Gaeilge, is féidir leat an focal "Éire" a úsáid. Muna bhfuil, agus is as Béarla atá tú ag caint, ba cheart duit "Ireland" a úsáid.

Translation: if you're talking in Irish, use Éire, otherwise stick to Ireland.

Also, note that "eire", without the fada (accent) is a different word with a different meaning.

With capital E, though, with or without the accent, it is unambiguous.

swampgas

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

With capital E, though, with or without the accent, it is unambiguous.

Without the accent it's just wrong.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

FTA69 wrote: »

Boils my p*ss that does, the Brits are mad for that sh*t. I don’t mind saying I’m from southern Ireland or whatever but “Southern Irish”, f*ck off.

I alluded to it earlier but it's because of this... The name kinda stuck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ireland_(1921%E2%80%9322)

A Dub in Glasgo

Think that is bad, have a read of these anti-Scottish independence loons trying their hardest to rope Ireland into their 'union'

http://www.these-islands.co.uk/values/d2/

The Rape of Lucretia

swampgas wrote: »

Without the accent it's just wrong.

Its close enough though, and still in the British Isles with or without accent, which I think is more the discussion.