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Dole threads, yea or nay?

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    #62
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    How Soon Is Now wrote:
    The social welfare wouldnt pay him at the start and when he finally got illness they kicked him off after a while and he's obviously not allowed jobseekers.


    This doesn't add up.


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    #63
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    This doesn't add up.

    I could go into fine further details but wasn't needed for the example made. All I know is he's getting nothing at the moment.


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    #64
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    How Soon Is Now wrote:
    I could go into fine further details but wasn't needed for the example made. All I know is he's getting nothing at the moment.


    As I said doesn't add up. I say this because I'm familiar with the welfare system


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    #65
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    riffmongous wrote: »
    This is the best page of posts I've seen on boards for a while, nice to be reminded every now and again not everyone here is a grumpy old tool
    People you agree with you mean? ;) Shur Your Da Sells Avon, end of the road and Hitman3000 can be extremely rude - but that kinda grumpy is ok! And that post by How Soon Is Now is full of insults.

    It's always being made clear that people are not referring to everyone in receipt of social welfare when they get pissed off about the freeloaders. I was on the dole myself briefly when I lost my job and had to look for another - I know I'm not being referred to by those voicing their criticisms of people who take the piss.

    The level of self entitlement is incredible in this country - some of us have to deal with it more than others, and it's extremely frustrating to see people who have no intention of working being rewarded for their attitude and irresponsibility. I know life on the dole is sh1t for people who want to work, but those who don't want to work, seem very happy with it indeed. Yeah it's silly to say they're living the high life - I don't agree with that either, but they are living comfortably enough considering their attitude, and they don't seem to have any ambition to make things better for themselves or their families.


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    #66
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    As I said doesn't add up. I say this because I'm familiar with the welfare system

    There was a hold up at the start with any payments I can't remember the exact reason why. They took him off illness after year or two which is normal but there not paying him at all now as he can't get any job seekers or benefit.


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    #67
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote:
    People you agree with you mean? Shur Your Da Sells Avon, end of the road and Hitman3000 can be extremely rude - but that kinda grumpy is ok! And that post by How Soon Is Now is full of insults.


    Care to back that allegation up?


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    #68
    ayux4rj6zql2ph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    Louise Sweet Stepmother wrote: »
    Join Date: Feb 2018

    I'm on Boards myself for the last 8-10 years, this is my 3rd or 4th account.

    Join dates mean nothing around here, Kudos though to those who have maintained the same account from the 90's


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    #69
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Care to back that allegation up?
    Your posts can be really aggressive. Surely you know that.


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    #70
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    retro:electro wrote: »
    But the problem with dole threads on here is that there’s little room for nuance and every single dole recipient gets lumped into the one and it becomes a competition between posters on who can say the most outrageous and degrading thing about those on welfare.
    People like Margaret Cash don’t help the situation. I’ve avoided all conversation about her so far, but people like her give off the impression that all on welfare are standing with the hand out asking for more. I know myself I was extremely thankful for all the state assistance I got when I needed it and I would be mortified to state publicly that I felt the government was robbing me. Her attitude does genuine cases a massive disservice.

    Life on welfare is miserable. I was on it myself for a year in order to apply for BTEA to go back to college. I’ve never known my confidence to plummet as much as it did in that year. Not only was I stone broke, but I was actively avoiding people and conversations about work because I was so ashamed of my circumstances. Not everyone is living the high life. I wish people on here would speak more about their time on welfare and how shlte it was because all we tend to hear are the sensationalised stories that get everyone’s backs up. The threads on here are usually so extreme that I don’t blame most people for not even clicking into them.

    Again, id wager most people have no issue with your previous situation, I certaintly dont.

    Life on welfare is miserable......for people who don't want to be on it and of course its not easy and I symphatise with any genuine person who found themselves on it.

    Then there are the other type who milk it like a juicy udder without any intention of getting off it.

    Its there to provide for people who cant and its there for people who temporarily need it, its not there to be abused by those who decide not to work.

    People reading these welfare threads, who are on or who have been on welfare should not be taking the comments personally. Its generally not about them.

    The issue is with the small subset of long term folk who have been on welfare for most of their lives even though they are fit, healthy and capable of working...but wont.


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    #71
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote: »
    People you agree with you mean? ;) Shur Your Da Sells Avon, end of the road and Hitman3000 can be extremely rude - but that kinda grumpy is ok!

    Hey, I resemble that remark.

    As you acknowledge yourself, it's a different kind of grumpy. If I was, for example, to call someone "a fucking cunt" for saying that the dole should be replaced by food stamps and recipients should be put into chain gangs and forced to clean toilets with their tongues, that could possibly be construed by some as rudeness on my part. I would argue that their view, even if it was expressed in the most calm and measured language, was far more unpleasant than me calling them a rude name.

    Btw, I should probably clarify that I've deliberately used an exaggerated example, so that it doesn't look like I'm sneakily trying to imply that any specific cunt is a cunt. Any resemblance to actual cunts, living or dead, or actual events, is purely coincidental.


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    #72
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote:
    Your posts can be really aggressive. Surely you know that.

    Well then you should have no problem backing up your claim.


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    #73
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Well then you should have no problem backing up your claim.
    "Your posts" - your posts are available for all to see. Aggressive, petty, sneery - instead of just being able to argue in a reasoned manner. Same with the Avon person though - I didn't just mention you.


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    #74
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote: »
    "Your posts" - your posts are available for all to see. Aggressive, petty, sneery - instead of just being able to argue in a reasoned manner. Same with the Avon person though - I didn't just mention you.

    Call me aggressive again. Go on, I dare you.


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    #75
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote:
    "Your posts" - your posts are available for all to see. Aggressive, petty, sneery - instead of just being able to argue in a reasoned manner. Same with the Avon person though - I didn't just mention you.


    Actually you did mention me along with several other posters. You have made several allegations backed up with nothing, yet you accuse me. Do you understand irony?


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    #76
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote:
    People you agree with you mean? Shur Your Da Sells Avon, end of the road and Hitman3000 can be extremely rude - but that kinda grumpy is ok! And that post by How Soon Is Now is full of insults.


    Btw this is where you mentioned me but claimed you didn't.


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    #77
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    How Soon Is Now wrote:
    There was a hold up at the start with any payments I can't remember the exact reason why. They took him off illness after year or two which is normal but there not paying him at all now as he can't get any job seekers or benefit.


    I can only assume a means test.


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    #78
    Afro Turner
    Site Banned Posts: 18 ✭Afro Turner


    Spent ages on the dole during the recession. It was comfy af. But I'm not a retard who blows all his money on drink, drugs online gambling etc.

    Got a permanent job now and laughing. No shame with being on the dole as long as you're not a scrounger.


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    #79
    satguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭satguy


    Time and time again, you see the same people dole bashing, vicious dole bashing.

    Lets just hope (pray), that they find themselves on the dole sometime. At Christmas time would be great !!


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    #80
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    satguy wrote:
    Lets just hope (pray), that they find themselves on the dole sometime. At Christmas time would be great !!


    "Poetic justice " would be the phrase.


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    #81
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Afro Turner wrote:
    Got a permanent job now and laughing. No shame with being on the dole as long as you're not a scrounger.


    There is a small cohort of dole lifers, every society will have those that are willing to live off the sweat of others. Despite the potential for abuse I prefer the system we have rather than the set up in the states or other jurisdictions. That's coming from someone who has worked since the age of 8. I'm in my 40' s now. I have used welfare on a couple of occasions due to illness . About 9 months in total.


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    #82
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Btw this is where you mentioned me but claimed you didn't.
    Huh? Never once did I claim not to mention you. :confused:
    I find your posts aggressive - it's an opinion, just accept it. Attacking people who don't share your views - how about just debating with them?
    satguy wrote: »
    Time and time again, you see the same people dole bashing, vicious dole bashing.

    Lets just hope (pray), that they find themselves on the dole sometime. At Christmas time would be great !!
    "Vicious" and then you say that. And yet again, the refusal to acknowledge that people are not referring to those who need to be on the dole, I have been on the dole myself and I don't feel targeted by the anger in question. It's about the freeloaders who abuse the benefits, not people who need to avail of said benefits.


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    #83
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    I say all of this as someone who was on the dole a couple of times. People on the dole for a certain period of time without making any effort to work or improve their skills should have their dole gradually reduced in order to light a fire under their asses because unfortunately many people don't make an effort unless they're in a sink or swim situation. We can't be condoning people's laziness to help themselves and contribute to the society they feel so entitled to only ever take from. I know multiple people who went on the dole basically as soon as they left school and they're still on it almost a decade on, HOW is this actually possible? It's insane. There are even people on the dole who complain about the amount not being enough; what the **** do they expect, to receive an amount similar to salaries of people who work?

    Our welfare system is a joke compared with basically every other EU nation, it incubates


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    #84
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Niko Chubby Stapler wrote:
    . Attacking people who don't share your views - how about just debating with them?


    Which is precisely the behaviour you have engaged in.


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    #85
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    satguy wrote: »
    Time and time again, you see the same people dole bashing, vicious dole bashing.

    Lets just hope (pray), that they find themselves on the dole sometime. At Christmas time would be great !!

    Yeah it would be great ... you know , with that aul Xmas bonus you get for doing f all .... quids in indeed


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    #86
    [Deleted User]
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    There a bit tedious.

    Boards should not be giving an outlet to those with 'issues' who are mediating those 'issues' through obsessing about people on welfare its such an unhealthy coping mechanism, the same for those with large mortgages and putting the baby in a creche 12 hours a day venting their ire and frustration at social welfare recipients as a coping mechanism.

    The same for the stories and anecdotes.

    However a reasoned evidence-based debate why not.


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    #87
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    This might sound crazy, but what about having dole threads and if you're not interested in them, don't click into them.
    I've no interest in the Kildare board, the entire Home and Garden section and all it's sub forums and many others. So I don't go into them, I've no idea what goes on in there but I don't think we should get rid of them. Same goes for dole threads


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    #88
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cienciano wrote: »
    This might sound crazy, but what about having dole threads and if you're not interested in them, don't click into them.
    I've no interest in the Kildare board, the entire Home and Garden section and all it's sub forums and many others. So I don't go into them, I've no idea what goes on in there but I don't think we should get rid of them. Same goes for dole threads

    Not a bad idea let them all go around in ever decreasing circles talking to each other except they are actually talking about real live people.


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    #89
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Can we just have one big thread where people can dole bash til their heart's content? I mean, for every other current affairs topic, it all goes into one thread. Can we have a single thread where all the complaints about any of the social welfare payments get put?


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    #90
    puppieperson1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 301 ✭✭puppieperson1


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    How do you work that one out:confused:

    When I'm at work, I'm gone from the house most days from between 7 /730 until 6pm or so.

    Only expense I will have will be lunch, which in reality is covered by company CC anyway.

    In contrast, when I'm off work, I'll be dragged to the zoo/taytopark/petfarm/(insert any other random entertainment sources for kids, or the likes of town or a shopping centre to carry bags of shopping for herself or myself (jocks, socks and new threads etc)

    Alternatively, I'm sent off to spend a small fortune on home maintenance items such as sleepers for the garden, new hoses and new plants and flowers and shrubs.

    Bloody costs me a fortune when I'm off work.
    Well Johnny Dogs you sound like a perfect citizen kids home all the expenses as for me i have told my kids to go out in the world and fend for themselves and the other half is dead so my expenses are genuinely low !!


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    #91
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Like I said, punching downwards. Maybe focus on your own life and don't be getting yourself all worked up about other people's. It'd make you a happier (and maybe even nicer) person.

    I'm a person in my 30s and I'll probably never be able to afford a house in Dublin, and I'm currently paying more for rent than a lot of people do for a mortgage. I still consider myself way more fortunate than Margaret Cash.

    His life is paying for others.


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