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New build - what CPU ?

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  • 24-08-2018 1:41pm
    #1
    Dcully
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    Hi guys, im looking at getting a prebuilt rig as i really dont want to be dealing with any possible stress from a self build, speaking from experience :P

    Im probably going to go with dino PC as i know people who have rigs built by them and their quality of work is exceptional plus their prices are pretty good too.

    I was waiting to see what the new nvidia cards were all about before i made a move, as of right now im unsure if ill go with RTX cards until reviews and benchmarks arrive.
    Meanwhile what other components do you guys recommend for 1440 144hz gaming? obviously maxing out 144hz isnt a requirement 100+ is plenty.

    My budget is about €1700 but id prefer to keep it below €1500 if possible, i find it hard to justify anymore.

    I was thinking along the limes of i5 8400 or ryzen 5 2600X as they are pretty close to eachother and are great performers last i checked.
    Do i need anything faster?

    GPU more than likely a 1080ti if cost comes down post RTX cards shipped or maybe even RTX2070 if its non RT performance is close to a 1080TI in that case the RTX feature would be a bonus.

    Everything else is straight forward , ill go with an SSD and a HDD.
    Thanks for reading.


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    #2
    K.O.Kiki
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    You won't be getting a 1080 Ti machine for €1500 unless you self-build.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (£187.19 @ Aria PC)
    CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Red) CPU Cooler (£27.95 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (£129.98 @ Box Limited)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£146.47 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£100.74 @ Aria PC)
    Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (€749.97)
    Case: Silverstone - Redline RL06BR-PRO ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£0.00)
    Total: £665.28
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-24 14:11 BST+0100

    GPU/PSU bundle on EVGA

    Ryzen or Intel doesn't really matter at higher resolutions; the bottleneck will switch from CPU to GPU.
    However AMD does have the advantage due to hyperthreading.


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    Dcully
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    Thanks for that, was hoping 1080ti would drop sufficiently in price once the rtx cards start to ship.
    Is that cpu overclockable? i know the i5 8400 doesnt.


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    K.O.Kiki
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    Dcully wrote: »
    Thanks for that, was hoping 1080ti would drop sufficiently in price once the rtx cards start to ship.
    Is that cpu overclockable? i know the i5 8400 doesnt.

    All Ryzen CPUs are overclockable (on B350/B450/X370/X470 motherboards).


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    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    i5 8600K
    Cooler Master Hyper H411R
    ASUS PRIME H310M-E
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2666MHz C16 Memory Kit
    GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
    240GB SSD
    1TB HDD
    Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit EN (OEM)
    AeroCool Integrator 500W — 500 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze PSU

    coming in at €1400 on dinoPC, hows that looking?


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    #6
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Dcully wrote: »
    i5 8600K
    Cooler Master Hyper H411R
    ASUS PRIME H310M-E
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2666MHz C16 Memory Kit
    GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
    240GB SSD
    1TB HDD
    Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit EN (OEM)
    AeroCool Integrator 500W — 500 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze PSU

    coming in at €1400 on dinoPC, hows that looking?
    Terrible balance.

    8600K can't be overclocked on H310 chipset.
    Also that motherboard isn't exactly fit for a 6-core high-power draw CPU.
    I wouldn't trust a nice build like that to a cheapo AeroCool PSU.


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    Dcully
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    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Terrible balance.

    8600K can't be overclocked on H310 chipset.
    Also that motherboard isn't exactly fit for a 6-core high-power draw CPU.
    I wouldn't trust a nice build like that to a cheapo AeroCool PSU.

    I just threw that together myself with the configure option.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    Yes, just get a regular 8600 non-K really, or else a better motherboard, nothing wrong with H310 and 8600 non-K if you're happy it meets your needs.

    The Aerocool Integrator is pretty basic but reliable, I wouldn't be really concerned about it.

    The self-build posted above is light years faster though in fairness. For your budget you can get an 8600K + 1080Ti with a 500GB SSD but only self-build.

    If you're gaming at 144hz, Intel is technically better, but I don't think it really makes a major difference. Either a 8600K or Ryzen 2600X is a good call.


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    K.O.Kiki
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    Alright, Aerocool Integrator it is for OP so:

    €1,513.88 €1,261.57
    SKU SER1
    Turnaround

    Standard Turnaround
    Warranty

    5 Year Standard Warranty
    Case

    Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 Black Windowed (No Optical, ATX)
    CPU

    AMD Ryzen™ 5 2600 CPU (Six Core, 3.40GHz - 3.9GHz, 19MB L3 Cache)
    Air CPU Cooler

    Cooler Master MasterAir MA410P RGB
    Motherboard

    ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING (Socket- AM4, 4x DDR4, ,ATX)
    RAM

    Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2666MHz C16 Memory Kit - Black
    Graphics Card

    NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
    SSD

    ADATA XPG SX6000 256GB M.2 PCI Express 3.0 SSD
    Storage HDD / SSHD

    2TB 3.5" SATA III HDD
    Optical Drive

    No optical drive included
    Operating System

    Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit EN (OEM)
    Power Supply Unit

    AeroCool® Integrator 500W — 500 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze PSU (OEM) €28.80 more


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    #10
    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Im guessing thats with dino pc K.O.Kiki ?
    Thanks again.


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    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Half tempted to leave out a GPU until prices of current gen and RTX cards become clearer and just stick my GTX970 in for a while.


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    Venom
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    Dcully wrote: »
    Half tempted to leave out a GPU until prices of current gen and RTX cards become clearer and just stick my GTX970 in for a while.


    I'd hold off on buying a GPU until 20th September and the benchmarks for the 2080 and 2080Ti drop. The second-hand market could offer you a nice bargain:)


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    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    So ive decided to hold off on a GPU until we know more about RTX performance cards rendering non rtx versus the current gen cards.
    Meanwhile im getting itchy feet with the rest of the build and considering putting in my order for a build, one final question , im thinking of going with an 8600K instead of the 8400 apparently theres a difference of about 13% on average between them @ stock speeds.
    Do i really need the 8600K for 1440 gaming?
    Im thinking of the future here, if i go with the 8400 is it a different mobo than the 8600k thus if i went with 8400 now an upgrade to 8600K later would also need a mobo upgrade?


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    wotzgoingon
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    If getting a 8400 now and upgrading to a 8600k in the future get a overclocking motherboard. Tbh you should just save up and get the better 8600k CPU it will serve you better long term.


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    Venom
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    Dcully wrote: »
    So ive decided to hold off on a GPU until we know more about RTX performance cards rendering non rtx versus the current gen cards.
    Meanwhile im getting itchy feet with the rest of the build and considering putting in my order for a build, one final question , im thinking of going with an 8600K instead of the 8400 apparently theres a difference of about 13% on average between them @ stock speeds.
    Do i really need the 8600K for 1440 gaming?
    Im thinking of the future here, if i go with the 8400 is it a different mobo than the 8600k thus if i went with 8400 now an upgrade to 8600K later would also need a mobo upgrade?




    Both the 8400 and 8600k will work on a Z370 motherboard but you need to make sure the board can handle overclocking, if that's the route you plan on going. Buying an 8400 to then move up to an 8600k seems like a waste of money so maybe just hold off and get the K series chip.



    Intel are going to launch the 9th gen chips this month so again holding off and seeing what the story is with them would be the wise move and might even result in the 8th gen chips dropping in price.


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    I have a 8600k and it's bullet proof. Have it OC'd to 4.7ghz at 60c under load.


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    Dcully
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    I think i will hold hold off on GPU for a bit until i see what performance the 2070s are offering so ill stick with the gtx970 for now.
    How is this looking?

    i5 8600K
    Cooler Master MasterAir MA410P RGB Cooler
    Corsair Vengeance® LPX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz
    ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS GAMING
    1TB 3.5" SATA III HDD SSD
    ADATA XPG SX6000 256GB M.2 PCI Express 3.0 SSD
    AeroCool P7C0 PRO Black Tempered Glass
    Corsair CX Series™ CX750M — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze


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    TerrorFirmer
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    Grand (the CX isn't regarded as a great PSU in its price range though) but i5 prices are gone mad at the moment due to stock shortages, bad time to buy. Think the 8600 is now £300 most places that have stock.


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    Dcully
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    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Grand (the CX isn't regarded as a great PSU in its price range though) but i5 prices are gone mad at the moment due to stock shortages, bad time to buy. Think the 8600 is now £300 most places that have stock.

    Its a dino PC prebuild and the i5 price is as was hence why im thinking of making a move now and before anything else goes up in price.
    How about corsair RMx modular RM 750x 750watt 80 plus gold?


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    Serephucus
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    RMx line is good. You could drop down to a 650W easy, if you're only going to be using one GPU. Still boatloads of headroom for OCing.


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    btkm8unsl0w5r4
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    Chap called Delcoyote selling ex mining 1080ti on adverts for 530 euro asking....I have to say I would not mind a miner card at all. Proven to work and I know that his stock is from a failed miner that only mined for a few months.

    8600 and 8700k prices are gone loopers for some reason at the moment


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    I sold a case to that chap before. Nice guy and definitely not a rip off merchant.


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    #23
    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Bria Puny Spatula wrote: »
    Chap called Delcoyote selling ex mining 1080ti on adverts for 530 euro asking....I have to say I would not mind a miner card at all. Proven to work and I know that his stock is from a failed miner that only mined for a few months.

    8600 and 8700k prices are gone loopers for some reason at the moment

    Thanks for the tip, im probably wrong but i was leaning toward avoiding ex mining cards.
    The thing is builder sites are charging normal CPU prices for builds afaik , i remember back during the mining time cards were insane price yet the builders had them at msrp or close to it.


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    btkm8unsl0w5r4
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    I wouldn't be worried personally about a mined card. Never overclocked cause the performance increase to power draw is terrible, and proven to run 24/7 without problems. These cards are designed to run continuously anyway. Rather this than half the cards I have sold/purchased that have been overclocked to within an inch of their lives. A lot of bang for 500 euro


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    #25
    Dcully
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    Final build just about to put in my order, decided to go with a scan 3XS system as they built my current 3XS rig and highly recommended by quite a few people.

    EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition iCX 11GB
    Intel Core i5 8600K CPU professionally overclocked to 4.8ghz
    8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz
    ASUS PRIME Z370-P Motherboard
    650W Corsair RMx Fully Modular RM650X ATX PSU/Power Supply
    240GB WD Green 3D, 545MB/s Read SSD
    1TB Seagate ST1000DM010 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
    be quiet! Pure Rock - Quiet Air Cooler
    Windows 10 Home Advanced 64-bit

    I probably could go with a faster SSD but i have 2 in my current PC and find them quick enough, ill probably put one into this build and keep one to sell with old rig.

    Would you guys advise sticking with 8600K or save a few quid by dropping down to an 8500 saving a small bit there but more on motherboard and cooler,, im wondering if i need such CPU horsepower as benchmarks ive looked at only show single digit fps gains in favour of the 8600K ,seems barely noticeable in real world gaming terms? for reference it works out as a saving of €135 , not as much as i expected.


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    K.O.Kiki
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    Dcully wrote: »
    Final build just about to put in my order, decided to go with a scan 3XS system as they built my current 3XS rig and highly recommended by quite a few people.

    EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition iCX 11GB
    Intel Core i5 8600K CPU professionally overclocked to 4.8ghz
    8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz
    ASUS PRIME Z370-P Motherboard
    650W Corsair RMx Fully Modular RM650X ATX PSU/Power Supply
    240GB WD Green 3D, 545MB/s Read SSD
    1TB Seagate ST1000DM010 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
    be quiet! Pure Rock - Quiet Air Cooler
    Windows 10 Home Advanced 64-bit

    I probably could go with a faster SSD but i have 2 in my current PC and find them quick enough, ill probably put one into this build and keep one to sell with old rig.

    Would you guys advise sticking with 8600K or save a few quid by dropping down to an 8500 saving a small bit there but more on motherboard and cooler,, im wondering if i need such CPU horsepower as benchmarks ive looked at only show single digit fps gains in favour of the 8600K ,seems barely noticeable in real world gaming terms? for reference it works out as a saving of €135 , not as much as i expected.
    https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3157-intel-i5-8600k-review-overclocking-vs-8700k-8400/page-2

    10% uplift in performance.
    Are you sure it's €135? I looked at their custom builder and it's same price as i5-8500 (plus they'll overclock it to 4.8GHz for you)

    78gCiup.jpg


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    #27
    Dcully
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    €135 would be saving when dropping 3rd party cooler and saving on a non OC motherboard.

    My head says go with my initial plan of 8600K oced with mobo and cooler etc then the greedy bugger in me says the 8500 would be more than enough.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    Weren't you trucking along with a 2500K until now? If you want this to last as well and as long, it'd seem silly to give up a very decent speed bump for €100.


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    #29
    Dcully
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    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Weren't you trucking along with a 2500K until now? If you want this to last as well and as long, it'd seem silly to give up a very decent speed bump for €100.

    Yes very valid point, 8600K it is then, once again thanks lads your a wealth of help and info for the less knowledgeable on here :)


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    BArra
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    would you not stick in an nvme m2 ssd into it?

    its blistering speed, the Samsung 970 evos are an OK price on amazon


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    K.O.Kiki
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    BArra wrote: »
    would you not stick in an nvme m2 ssd into it?

    its blistering speed, the Samsung 970 evos are an OK price on amazon

    Most day-to-day use for SSDs doesn't require speed higher than even entry-level SSDs.


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