New build - what CPU ?

Dcully

Hi guys, im looking at getting a prebuilt rig as i really dont want to be dealing with any possible stress from a self build, speaking from experience :P

Im probably going to go with dino PC as i know people who have rigs built by them and their quality of work is exceptional plus their prices are pretty good too.

I was waiting to see what the new nvidia cards were all about before i made a move, as of right now im unsure if ill go with RTX cards until reviews and benchmarks arrive.
Meanwhile what other components do you guys recommend for 1440 144hz gaming? obviously maxing out 144hz isnt a requirement 100+ is plenty.

My budget is about €1700 but id prefer to keep it below €1500 if possible, i find it hard to justify anymore.

I was thinking along the limes of i5 8400 or ryzen 5 2600X as they are pretty close to eachother and are great performers last i checked.
Do i need anything faster?

GPU more than likely a 1080ti if cost comes down post RTX cards shipped or maybe even RTX2070 if its non RT performance is close to a 1080TI in that case the RTX feature would be a bonus.

Everything else is straight forward , ill go with an SSD and a HDD.
Thanks for reading.

K.O.Kiki

You won't be getting a 1080 Ti machine for €1500 unless you self-build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (£187.19 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Red) CPU Cooler (£27.95 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (£129.98 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£146.47 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£100.74 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (€749.97)
Case: Silverstone - Redline RL06BR-PRO ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£0.00)
Total: £665.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-24 14:11 BST+0100

GPU/PSU bundle on EVGA

Ryzen or Intel doesn't really matter at higher resolutions; the bottleneck will switch from CPU to GPU.
However AMD does have the advantage due to hyperthreading.

Dcully

Thanks for that, was hoping 1080ti would drop sufficiently in price once the rtx cards start to ship.
Is that cpu overclockable? i know the i5 8400 doesnt.

K.O.Kiki

Dcully wrote: »

Thanks for that, was hoping 1080ti would drop sufficiently in price once the rtx cards start to ship.
Is that cpu overclockable? i know the i5 8400 doesnt.

All Ryzen CPUs are overclockable (on B350/B450/X370/X470 motherboards).

Dcully

i5 8600K
Cooler Master Hyper H411R
ASUS PRIME H310M-E
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2666MHz C16 Memory Kit
GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
240GB SSD
1TB HDD
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit EN (OEM)
AeroCool Integrator 500W — 500 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze PSU

coming in at €1400 on dinoPC, hows that looking?

K.O.Kiki

Dcully wrote: »

i5 8600K
Cooler Master Hyper H411R
ASUS PRIME H310M-E
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2666MHz C16 Memory Kit
GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
240GB SSD
1TB HDD
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit EN (OEM)
AeroCool Integrator 500W — 500 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze PSU

coming in at €1400 on dinoPC, hows that looking?

Terrible balance.

8600K can't be overclocked on H310 chipset.
Also that motherboard isn't exactly fit for a 6-core high-power draw CPU.
I wouldn't trust a nice build like that to a cheapo AeroCool PSU.

Dcully

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Terrible balance.

8600K can't be overclocked on H310 chipset.
Also that motherboard isn't exactly fit for a 6-core high-power draw CPU.
I wouldn't trust a nice build like that to a cheapo AeroCool PSU.

I just threw that together myself with the configure option.

TerrorFirmer

Yes, just get a regular 8600 non-K really, or else a better motherboard, nothing wrong with H310 and 8600 non-K if you're happy it meets your needs.

The Aerocool Integrator is pretty basic but reliable, I wouldn't be really concerned about it.

The self-build posted above is light years faster though in fairness. For your budget you can get an 8600K + 1080Ti with a 500GB SSD but only self-build.

If you're gaming at 144hz, Intel is technically better, but I don't think it really makes a major difference. Either a 8600K or Ryzen 2600X is a good call.

K.O.Kiki

Alright, Aerocool Integrator it is for OP so:

€1,513.88 €1,261.57
SKU SER1
Turnaround

Standard Turnaround
Warranty

5 Year Standard Warranty
Case

Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 Black Windowed (No Optical, ATX)
CPU

AMD Ryzen™ 5 2600 CPU (Six Core, 3.40GHz - 3.9GHz, 19MB L3 Cache)
Air CPU Cooler

Cooler Master MasterAir MA410P RGB
Motherboard

ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING (Socket- AM4, 4x DDR4, ,ATX)
RAM

Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2666MHz C16 Memory Kit - Black
Graphics Card

NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
SSD

ADATA XPG SX6000 256GB M.2 PCI Express 3.0 SSD
Storage HDD / SSHD

2TB 3.5" SATA III HDD
Optical Drive

No optical drive included
Operating System

Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit EN (OEM)
Power Supply Unit

AeroCool® Integrator 500W — 500 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze PSU (OEM) €28.80 more

Dcully

Im guessing thats with dino pc K.O.Kiki ?
Thanks again.

Dcully

Half tempted to leave out a GPU until prices of current gen and RTX cards become clearer and just stick my GTX970 in for a while.

Venom

Dcully wrote: »

Half tempted to leave out a GPU until prices of current gen and RTX cards become clearer and just stick my GTX970 in for a while.

I'd hold off on buying a GPU until 20th September and the benchmarks for the 2080 and 2080Ti drop. The second-hand market could offer you a nice bargain:)

Dcully

So ive decided to hold off on a GPU until we know more about RTX performance cards rendering non rtx versus the current gen cards.
Meanwhile im getting itchy feet with the rest of the build and considering putting in my order for a build, one final question , im thinking of going with an 8600K instead of the 8400 apparently theres a difference of about 13% on average between them @ stock speeds.
Do i really need the 8600K for 1440 gaming?
Im thinking of the future here, if i go with the 8400 is it a different mobo than the 8600k thus if i went with 8400 now an upgrade to 8600K later would also need a mobo upgrade?

wotzgoingon

If getting a 8400 now and upgrading to a 8600k in the future get a overclocking motherboard. Tbh you should just save up and get the better 8600k CPU it will serve you better long term.

Venom

Dcully wrote: »

So ive decided to hold off on a GPU until we know more about RTX performance cards rendering non rtx versus the current gen cards.
Meanwhile im getting itchy feet with the rest of the build and considering putting in my order for a build, one final question , im thinking of going with an 8600K instead of the 8400 apparently theres a difference of about 13% on average between them @ stock speeds.
Do i really need the 8600K for 1440 gaming?
Im thinking of the future here, if i go with the 8400 is it a different mobo than the 8600k thus if i went with 8400 now an upgrade to 8600K later would also need a mobo upgrade?

Both the 8400 and 8600k will work on a Z370 motherboard but you need to make sure the board can handle overclocking, if that's the route you plan on going. Buying an 8400 to then move up to an 8600k seems like a waste of money so maybe just hold off and get the K series chip.



Intel are going to launch the 9th gen chips this month so again holding off and seeing what the story is with them would be the wise move and might even result in the 8th gen chips dropping in price.

I have a 8600k and it's bullet proof. Have it OC'd to 4.7ghz at 60c under load.

Dcully

I think i will hold hold off on GPU for a bit until i see what performance the 2070s are offering so ill stick with the gtx970 for now.
How is this looking?

i5 8600K
Cooler Master MasterAir MA410P RGB Cooler
Corsair Vengeance® LPX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz
ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS GAMING
1TB 3.5" SATA III HDD SSD
ADATA XPG SX6000 256GB M.2 PCI Express 3.0 SSD
AeroCool P7C0 PRO Black Tempered Glass
Corsair CX Series™ CX750M — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze

TerrorFirmer

Grand (the CX isn't regarded as a great PSU in its price range though) but i5 prices are gone mad at the moment due to stock shortages, bad time to buy. Think the 8600 is now £300 most places that have stock.

Dcully

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Grand (the CX isn't regarded as a great PSU in its price range though) but i5 prices are gone mad at the moment due to stock shortages, bad time to buy. Think the 8600 is now £300 most places that have stock.

Its a dino PC prebuild and the i5 price is as was hence why im thinking of making a move now and before anything else goes up in price.
How about corsair RMx modular RM 750x 750watt 80 plus gold?

Serephucus

RMx line is good. You could drop down to a 650W easy, if you're only going to be using one GPU. Still boatloads of headroom for OCing.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Chap called Delcoyote selling ex mining 1080ti on adverts for 530 euro asking....I have to say I would not mind a miner card at all. Proven to work and I know that his stock is from a failed miner that only mined for a few months.

8600 and 8700k prices are gone loopers for some reason at the moment

I sold a case to that chap before. Nice guy and definitely not a rip off merchant.

Dcully

Bria Puny Spatula wrote: »

Chap called Delcoyote selling ex mining 1080ti on adverts for 530 euro asking....I have to say I would not mind a miner card at all. Proven to work and I know that his stock is from a failed miner that only mined for a few months.

8600 and 8700k prices are gone loopers for some reason at the moment

Thanks for the tip, im probably wrong but i was leaning toward avoiding ex mining cards.
The thing is builder sites are charging normal CPU prices for builds afaik , i remember back during the mining time cards were insane price yet the builders had them at msrp or close to it.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I wouldn't be worried personally about a mined card. Never overclocked cause the performance increase to power draw is terrible, and proven to run 24/7 without problems. These cards are designed to run continuously anyway. Rather this than half the cards I have sold/purchased that have been overclocked to within an inch of their lives. A lot of bang for 500 euro

Dcully

Final build just about to put in my order, decided to go with a scan 3XS system as they built my current 3XS rig and highly recommended by quite a few people.

EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition iCX 11GB
Intel Core i5 8600K CPU professionally overclocked to 4.8ghz
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz
ASUS PRIME Z370-P Motherboard
650W Corsair RMx Fully Modular RM650X ATX PSU/Power Supply
240GB WD Green 3D, 545MB/s Read SSD
1TB Seagate ST1000DM010 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
be quiet! Pure Rock - Quiet Air Cooler
Windows 10 Home Advanced 64-bit

I probably could go with a faster SSD but i have 2 in my current PC and find them quick enough, ill probably put one into this build and keep one to sell with old rig.

Would you guys advise sticking with 8600K or save a few quid by dropping down to an 8500 saving a small bit there but more on motherboard and cooler,, im wondering if i need such CPU horsepower as benchmarks ive looked at only show single digit fps gains in favour of the 8600K ,seems barely noticeable in real world gaming terms? for reference it works out as a saving of €135 , not as much as i expected.

K.O.Kiki

Dcully wrote: »

Final build just about to put in my order, decided to go with a scan 3XS system as they built my current 3XS rig and highly recommended by quite a few people.

EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition iCX 11GB
Intel Core i5 8600K CPU professionally overclocked to 4.8ghz
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz
ASUS PRIME Z370-P Motherboard
650W Corsair RMx Fully Modular RM650X ATX PSU/Power Supply
240GB WD Green 3D, 545MB/s Read SSD
1TB Seagate ST1000DM010 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
be quiet! Pure Rock - Quiet Air Cooler
Windows 10 Home Advanced 64-bit

I probably could go with a faster SSD but i have 2 in my current PC and find them quick enough, ill probably put one into this build and keep one to sell with old rig.

Would you guys advise sticking with 8600K or save a few quid by dropping down to an 8500 saving a small bit there but more on motherboard and cooler,, im wondering if i need such CPU horsepower as benchmarks ive looked at only show single digit fps gains in favour of the 8600K ,seems barely noticeable in real world gaming terms? for reference it works out as a saving of €135 , not as much as i expected.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3157-intel-i5-8600k-review-overclocking-vs-8700k-8400/page-2

10% uplift in performance.
Are you sure it's €135? I looked at their custom builder and it's same price as i5-8500 (plus they'll overclock it to 4.8GHz for you)

Dcully

€135 would be saving when dropping 3rd party cooler and saving on a non OC motherboard.

My head says go with my initial plan of 8600K oced with mobo and cooler etc then the greedy bugger in me says the 8500 would be more than enough.

TerrorFirmer

Weren't you trucking along with a 2500K until now? If you want this to last as well and as long, it'd seem silly to give up a very decent speed bump for €100.

Dcully

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Weren't you trucking along with a 2500K until now? If you want this to last as well and as long, it'd seem silly to give up a very decent speed bump for €100.

Yes very valid point, 8600K it is then, once again thanks lads your a wealth of help and info for the less knowledgeable on here

BArra

would you not stick in an nvme m2 ssd into it?

its blistering speed, the Samsung 970 evos are an OK price on amazon

K.O.Kiki

BArra wrote: »

would you not stick in an nvme m2 ssd into it?

its blistering speed, the Samsung 970 evos are an OK price on amazon

Most day-to-day use for SSDs doesn't require speed higher than even entry-level SSDs.

Dcully

BArra wrote: »

would you not stick in an nvme m2 ssd into it?

its blistering speed, the Samsung 970 evos are an OK price on amazon

Waste of money imho for me personally,, my brother has one and i load about a second slower than him on any game we played together.
I just dont see the point personally.

Order gone in today with one change, i changed from the ASUS PRIME Z370-P Motherboard to ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS Gaming Motherboard.

Venom

Dcully wrote: »

Waste of money imho for me personally,, my brother has one and i load about a second slower than him on any game we played together.
I just dont see the point personally.

If you are transferring huge data files to the PC you see the benefit but for everyday use, it's not worth the extra cost over an SSD.

Dcully

So i have the new rig a week now and really couldnt be happier with it.
In that time ive learned quite a bit about overclocking my CPU.
Scan overclocked it to 4.8ghz and stress tested for 24 hours providing me with screenshots via email before they shipped it and also on a usb stick with lots of tools and utilities on it, nice touch.
Ive messed about with the voltage and have it stable at 1.200V compared to Scan setting it to 1.300V, the net result is about 5-8 degrees cooler.
Granted according to scan and other guides online the cpu is fine up to 95C and although i wasnt getting close to that i went on a small quest to drop temps a bit lower.
Im happy now at 1.200v @4.8ghz temps never go over 82C but usually sit between 70 and 80 during stress testing and gaming with max settings.
Im half tempted to try and drop voltage a bit more and run it at 4.5ghz out of curiousity.
Benchmarks ive seen of 4.5ghz V 4.8ghz show fps difference of single digits only.

Performance is just fantastic, really is night and day compared to my old rig at max settings @1440P.

I usually run my 8600k at 4.5gz with 1.15volts. Stable and runs at about 60c under load if that's any use to you.

Dcully

Deleted User wrote: »

I usually run my 8600k at 4.5gz with 1.15volts. Stable and runs at about 60c under load if that's any use to you.

Yeah i was wondering what voltage to try for 4.5ghz, thanks!

Dcully

@ Grahamer72 I just ran a 70 min stress test there now with aida 64 1.15volts 4.5 ghz max temp was 70C average of 66C 100% load with air cooler - id call that a success.

There shouldn't be any need to change that now. I have three oc profiles saved in my BIOS. The highest being 5ghz but I get great performance from 4.5 so just leave it at that.

Dcully

Yeah from what ive seen from benchmarks theres only a difference of a few frames between the two,impossible to notice especially at already high framerate.
Nice to know i can go with possible 5ghz if really needed some day :P

Oh and isnt the 1080ti a fecking beast of a yoke

Sure is. Hardly breaks a sweat and my case fans are louder than it. Runs nice and cool too.

Dcully

So i added two Noctua NF-S12A PWM fans to my rig and temps while gaming dropped to mid 50`s it wasnt too audible at all but you could hear them and they stayed like so even when idle on desktop so i still went ahead and added the two low noise adaptors supplied to limit fans to 900rpm and temps dont seem to rise above 70C and sits in mid 60`s mostly but its really very quiet, cant decide which to stick with.

Without low noise adaptors screenie




With low nose adaptors

K.O.Kiki

Up to you really; 10C+ is a huge difference but if the noise bothers you that much, keep the LNC adapter on.

I put it on my CPU cooler too tbh.

TerrorFirmer

I cheaped out on my case fans, they look great but airflows not the best. Got a Kraken X42 AIO though, very impressive considering it's a simple 140mm rad. Clocked my 9600K at 4.8Ghz out of the box at 1.25 (I think) and temps top out at about 70c under load.

I hate cheap AIOs as I consider them utterly pointless versus (or far worse than) a good air cooler but the mid to high range ones are great. Anyway, in your case 70c is still perfectly fine for a GPU so I'd stick with low noise. My backup card's a 390X and after about 5 minutes gaming it hits about 90c.

Dcully

Quick question, so initially i ran the low noise adaptors straight from the 4pin header on mobo then onto a y split adaptor with 1x 4pin noctua and 3pin corsair yoke.
I done this also for 2 fans on case front and the same for rear/top.
The net affect was 4 fans limited to 900rpm and it was very quiet with decent temps as you can see from screenshot above.

However upon reading further the contents on the noctua fans they state do not do this.
I have since changed it up with the y splitter connected to the 4 pin mobo header then connected to each fan again ie 3pin corsair and 4 pin noctua but for the 3 pin fans i put the low noise adaptors on this time as i understand they are not PWM compatible so i left the 2 noctuas without low noise adaptor and running in PWM mode..
Here the net result is still nice temps rarely in the low 70s but nearly always mid 60s but we have more noise.

I think i prefer it the other way but noctua advise against it, any thoughts?

K.O.Kiki

The answer is to buy more Noctuas :pac:

Dcully

Just to update on this.
I ended up switching from PWM to manual control and setting case fan profile to silent resulting in a whisper quiet system even on full load and temps never go into the 70s usually low 60`s while gaming with most games staying in the 50s. BFV seems to be the only one pushing things into the 60s.
Id call that a success, pretty excellent temps for air cooling, the 2 noctua fans transformed what was not a great case for cooling into a great one,amazing what a couple of quality fans can do.
Temps dropped from high 70s mid 80s to low 60s.
4 hour test with prime 95 max temp of 69c.

Venom

It really is crazy how much of a difference Noctua fans can make to a system when it comes to cooling and most especially noise levels. While they're not 100% silent, the hum off them for want of a better word, just fades into the background so as not to be noticed even while sitting next to the PC and from a few feet away you really have to focus on the case to hear anything at all.


The downside sadly is the buggers are not cheap and it's probably best not to think how much a full set will cost you One more and I'm done for sure, well maybe two