Better Call Saul Spoilers

Thammer · 04-10-2018 04:56PM

Mexico takes an awful hammering from the writers,I'm guessing they don't take any awards down there

They're depending on Gus to mastermind everything and he's no genius either ,the chances he took with Walt and Jesse

Loves_lorries · 04-10-2018 04:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm finding it really hard to care about anything to do with building the lab. A story that didn't need to be told.

appears mundane on the surface but im finding the drama between the head german guy and mike interesting , he is an interesting character .

De Bhál · 04-10-2018 05:02PM

BandMember wrote: »

Have another look at notice the back of the truck and the road underneath it when the explosion happens....

Had a look, the lorry trailer drops down into the dip in the road (pothole or manhole cover) and pops back over the opposite lip with a loud noise. The trailer also looked empty which would mean even noisier than a full trailer.

What do you see that I'm missing?

Nonoperational · 04-10-2018 05:08PM

I think it's very enjoyable despite the slightly predictable script.

Thammer · 04-10-2018 05:14PM

Loves_lorries wrote: »

appears mundane on the surface but im finding the drama between the head german guy and mike interesting , he is an interesting character .

Count me out on that,very dull imo

Big deal he escaped like

Bigus · 04-10-2018 05:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm finding it really hard to care about anything to do with building the lab. A story that didn't need to be told.

I said it a good few pages back , it's probably to highlight how expensive and difficult the meth business was for Gus, yet Walter White stumbled into it and built a meth business almost by accident.

04-10-2018 05:18PM

Loves_lorries wrote: »

appears mundane on the surface but im finding the drama between the head german guy and mike interesting , he is an interesting character .

Its definitely a problem I have. Similar to how I felt about Star Wars: Rogue One. Wasn't interested from day 1 due to the whole premise.

gormdubhgorm · 04-10-2018 08:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its definitely a problem I have. Similar to how I felt about Star Wars: Rogue One. Wasn't interested from day 1 due to the whole premise.

It's funny Rogue One was the only newest Star Wars that I enjoyed.
Star Wars itself seems like it does not know what to be pretentious, funny or serious?
Then it ends up with a mishmash of nothing and special effects.
For the most part BCS has remained consistent even if they were taking the p with arthouse stuff for an episode or two.
I am back on board with it now because stuff is happening at last.

take everything · 04-10-2018 11:19PM

Penn wrote: »

The boss of Mesa Verde wanted to change the design of their new branch, but Kim said the plans had already been submitted to the (not sure what the actual term for them would be, but basically their version of a County Council or Planning Authority), so they couldn't change them. But then Kim and Jimmy came up with a plan to do it.

She went to the Council and asked to see the plans to check something. She pulled out one set of drawings which were the same as the ones submitted, so the clerk would think they're the same, so Kim put her copy of the drawings back in the tube. After Jimmy came in, ruined the Council's copy, the clerk agreed to swap out the ruined Council's copy for the set Kim had brought, since they were the same, but Kim pulled a different set of drawings out of the tube (with the changes her boss had wanted) and gave them to the clerk. The clerk wouldn't be familiar enough with the drawings to notice the differences, and thought they were the same set as they had checked together, so stamped them to make them look the council drawings that were ruined.

So Kim was basically able to replace the drawings for the smaller office with ones for a bigger office (or whatever the changes were that her boss wanted), without having to resubmit the entire thing which would have cost too much time and money, by making it seem like the new drawings were the ones submitted in the first place.

Tiny (possibly irrelevant) detail that i was a bit confused by. The stamp bit.
Did she stamp them before making a copy to give back to Kim.

So then Kim would have a stamped copy.
But Kim came in with an unstamped copy.

NickNickleby · 04-10-2018 11:58PM

no, she stamped the replaced documents (presumably its a date stamp, so presumably she stamped them with the same date as was on the originals), as all documents received by officialdom should be stamped to confirm their date of receipt.

now, if anyone examines the docs in the folio, they'll ALL be stamped identically, so the switch is undetectable.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-10-2018 12:29AM

What a great episode. Heart wa pounding all the way through that one. The tension...

SimonTemplar · 05-10-2018 01:03AM

Obviously I've no clue how the lawyer disciplinary process works in New Mexico but it seems odd that a person's career can be determined by something as flaky and subjective as someone thinking the person was insincere.

The moment Kim mentioned that an appeal is possible, I thought all they have to say is that Jimmy feels very uncomfortable talking about Chuck because of the impact his death had on him, hence the reason why he didn't mention him during the meeting. Job done.

Penn · 05-10-2018 09:15AM

NickNickleby wrote: »

no, she stamped the replaced documents (presumably its a date stamp, so presumably she stamped them with the same date as was on the originals), as all documents received by officialdom should be stamped to confirm their date of receipt.

now, if anyone examines the docs in the folio, they'll ALL be stamped identically, so the switch is undetectable.

Yeah, Councils do the same here. They date stamp planning documents received with an official Council stamp. So the clerk was stamping the new drawings Kim brought in to replace the ruined copy of the ones the Council had already stamped, thereby making the new drawings look like they were the original ones submitted (which she thought were the exact same and didn't know were different).

Darkglasses · 05-10-2018 10:47AM

Penn wrote: »

Yeah, Councils do the same here. They date stamp planning documents received with an official Council stamp. So the clerk was stamping the new drawings Kim brought in to replace the ruined copy of the ones the Council had already stamped, thereby making the new drawings look like they were the original ones submitted (which she thought were the exact same and didn't know were different).

I know it's just a TV show, but i am baffled if planning authorities there don't also make you submit 6 copies of everything like they do here...

uncommon_name · 05-10-2018 10:53AM

Darkglasses wrote: »

I know it's just a TV show, but i am baffled if planning authorities there don't also make you submit 6 copies of everything like they do here...

Exactly what I was thinking when watching the episode.
Also, surely they have some sort of online system like they do here with copies of everything submitted.
I did still think it was a good story line and it was done very well.

jack presley · 05-10-2018 10:58AM

uncommon_name wrote: »

Exactly what I was thinking when watching the episode.
Also, surely they have some sort of online system like they do here with copies of everything submitted.
I did still think it was a good story line and it was done very well.

It’s probably only 2006 or something. Was our planning system fully online then?

uncommon_name · 05-10-2018 11:03AM

jack presley wrote: »

It’s probably only 2006 or something. Was our planning system fully online then?

Very true.
Not sure, but it probably wasn't.

unkel · 05-10-2018 11:07AM

jack presley wrote: »

It’s probably only 2006 or something. Was our planning system fully online then?

Good point. We might not even be at 2006 yet. Anyone have any good link to a BCS / BB timeline?

Penn · 05-10-2018 11:11AM

Darkglasses wrote: »

I know it's just a TV show, but i am baffled if planning authorities there don't also make you submit 6 copies of everything like they do here...

Well the reason we submit 6 copies here is so different copies can go to different departments (roads, planning, water etc). It might be just the system there that either you submit one copy and they produce additional copies of those drawings themselves for each department (and the cost for some is included in the fee you pay), or considering the wad of drawings that were there, there may have been multiple copies of the drawings clipped together (hence why it was only two of the top few drawings Kim and the clerk checked, as the rest would have been additional copies of the same).

Darkglasses · 05-10-2018 11:12AM

uncommon_name wrote: »

Very true.
Not sure, but it probably wasn't.

All the more important to keep more than one copy of a thing..

Apologies for making this unbelievably boring, carry on

gormdubhgorm · 05-10-2018 12:51PM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Obviously I've no clue how the lawyer disciplinary process works in New Mexico but it seems odd that a person's career can be determined by something as flaky and subjective as someone thinking the person was insincere.

The moment Kim mentioned that an appeal is possible, I thought all they have to say is that Jimmy feels very uncomfortable talking about Chuck because of the impact his death had on him, hence the reason why he didn't mention him during the meeting. Job done.

The other alternative in the review I saw he said both Kim and the panel were wrong.
He claims it was the contradiction about American Samoa University that swayed the panel.
One minute he was crediting American Samoa for his education he his monglogue before the final question.
Then in the final question he slags them off by saying it is not MidWestern or Georgetown - 'Go land Crabs'
If you watch the panel members expression when he gets to the bit this is where he looks like fell down.

gormdubhgorm · 05-10-2018 12:53PM

unkel wrote: »

Good point. We might not even be at 2006 yet. Anyone have any good link to a BCS / BB timeline?

According to this, we are supposedly up to 2004 in the BCS universe.

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Better_Call_Saul_Timeline

I would love to know where they get thier info!

De Bhál · 05-10-2018 12:58PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The other alternative in the review I saw he said both
If you watch the panel members expression when he gets to the bit this is where he looks like fell down.

the panel asked what was his influence and they wanted him to mention Chuck but yeah he said 'Go Land Crabs' and that was that.

bit stupid really considering the great speech he'd done previous

Thammer · 05-10-2018 01:30PM

The Mexicans despise the Chilean and likewise

Brawn v brains but Gus wins the war

The new mexican guy is good but he's hamming it up a little

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-10-2018 01:32PM

De Bhál wrote: »

the panel asked what was his influence and they wanted him to mention Chuck but yeah he said 'Go Land Crabs' and that was that.

bit stupid really considering the great speech he'd done previous

You're spot on with this. He was going perfect until the panel asked their last question. You rarely see TV shows do this, Jimmy is convinced he did nothing wrong until Kim points out what he may have done. To the viewer, we know Jimmy is a spoofer, we could see through the act BUT fully thought the panel fell for his shtick.

De Bhál · 05-10-2018 01:44PM

Thammer wrote: »

The Mexicans despise the Chilean and likewise

Brawn v brains but Gus wins the war

The new mexican guy is good but he's hamming it up a little

ah i think he's a breath of fresh air...things were getting stale for me the last few weeks

fxotoole · 05-10-2018 05:27PM

jack presley wrote: »

It’s probably only 2006 or something. Was our planning system fully online then?

There was a montage in either episode 8 or 9 which dated the episode around 2003 if I remember correctly

EDIT: it’s actually the montage at the start of episode 7. Jimmy was printing off and singing a document dated Oct 2003 at about 3:53 mark

So episode 9 would probably be around late 2003 to early 2004

Jerichoholic · 05-10-2018 06:59PM

Superb episode this week. Glad things are moving forward now.

scamalert · 05-10-2018 08:11PM

the escape was a bit unrealistic - now i get the motive as guy went for explosives and given previous speech of mike about seeing his wife and how its only one chance he has, i can see the rationale that he might think or in fact once job is done they wont see daylight never mind getting back to their homeland. Thou with that said dont see mike being the killer type either, but Gus prob will make them disappear, then again given twists and plots in the show its hard to know how things will go down, Vesa Merde id imagine kim friend the banker will realize she went behind her back and done dodgy job just to prove smth. But at this point i think her story is coming to an end as theres little action between her and saul, the last favor could backfire on her maybe ? just to separate the two for good.

take everything · 05-10-2018 09:22PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

You're spot on with this. He was going perfect until the panel asked their last question. You rarely see TV shows do this, Jimmy is convinced he did nothing wrong until Kim points out what he may have done. To the viewer, we know Jimmy is a spoofer, we could see through the act BUT fully thought the panel fell for his shtick.

The thing is the insincere thing is a subjective interpretation by the panel.
Was Jimmy being insincere.
Was Chuck really an influence.
Did he really look up to Chuck.
Or is he in some kind of denial following Chuck's death that he means nothing to him.

It's an interesting depiction of people around someone noting insincerity when maybe all he is is conflicted or maybe completely sincere (in the guise of Saul Goodman being true to himself).

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