Better Call Saul Spoilers

gormdubhgorm · 03-10-2018 01:36PM

De Bhál wrote: »

no chance he's escaping Mike.

also spraying the rock they were about to blast wouldn't have been Herman's doing. He'd have to be above that kind of stuff.

(unless of course he did spray it and I missed it...which is entirely possible)

They didn't show who scrawled it on the wall.
You are right it is probably more of s Kai thing to do.

De Bhál · 03-10-2018 01:42PM

So how does the laser thing work messing up the cameras?

and why didn't Mike's guys spot him pointing the laser up at the camera?

Nerdlingr · 03-10-2018 01:45PM

yeah thought the escape was a little bit too easy myself.... he'd have to have been pointing the laser directly at the each camera the whole time, whilst filing through locks and opening latch doors?? also dropping the laser conveniently outside?... was a bit too un-BCS for me.
Good episode though, enjoyed it. Especially the standoff between jimmy and kim on the rooftop.

De Bhál · 03-10-2018 01:46PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Especially the standoff between jimmy and kim on the rooftop.

yeah that was good - good to see a bit of emotion from them

Nerdlingr · 03-10-2018 01:47PM

De Bhál wrote: »

yeah that was good - good to see a bit of emotion from them

Jimmy said "f*cking" as well !! havent heard that in an episode ..ever!

artvanderlay · 03-10-2018 02:14PM

I think with Werner, it will be the first time Mike kills a decent guy, and he will cross a line from which there is no going back.

sideswipe · 03-10-2018 02:22PM

'Kick a man when he's down'

'You're always down Jimmy'

That's gotta hurt!

She's going to help him find a work-a-round to getting his law licence back under a different name...Saul Goodman

Thammer · 03-10-2018 03:59PM

It's hilarious when they're praising guss's chicken

He fired away the cup when he was leaving

Kevin Finnerty · 03-10-2018 04:05PM

I thought the look between Nacho and Gus when Eduardo?? got up from the table was amateurish as well. Who's to say there wasn't more Salamanca hoods looking in from outside?

Jimmys t shirt in the cafe with Kim after the scam, what was it?

Loved the German national shirt in the crew, one of their nicest ever.

NickNickleby · 03-10-2018 04:36PM

Found that episode quite tense....

Still don't think the Germans are for the chop though.

I thought Jimmy's answer to the question about inspiration was going to be "Kim Wexler", to allow him to not ascribe it to Chuck. I was disappointed with his answer:pac: Ironically (I thought) if he was insincere, he would have sang Chuck's praises to the roof. Hey, maybe that's grounds??

THe rooftop scene afterwards was excellent. Jimmy completely on the (aggressive) defensive. And still, Kim will stand by him to get him through this hoop. Its difficult to see how the inevitable breakup will be engineered.

Thought the opener was very weird. I mean, boss has change of mind, Kim can't be sacked for doing it by the book. Having said that, the playing out of the ruse was brilliant.

Thought Werner was going to be blown up, by a stupid mistake from Kai. Then thought Werner was going to top himself. Perhaps he has actually escaped**. If they catch him, I suspect they'll send him home (and not to Belize). Remember the Honduran laundry workers??? Much worse transgression, and from my recollection of it, they weren't disposed of.

Just one episode left in this series.....
I think they're going to pad BCS out with more cartel stuff. If all I wanted was the transition, I'd be getting fed up waiting, but I like how all the little subplots are worked. So, I'm still on board.

edit: ** I mean , for good. And the more I think about it, the more I think they WILL catch him and send him packing.

-=al=- · 03-10-2018 05:07PM

Surely Werner will get taken out. A pretty cool twist on things anyway. I hope he gets away for the fun of it.

No idea how the laser camera job works but I guess the laser might break/heat something in the camera and maybe it imprints the shot on the cctv screens? I'd like to know how it works too.

I'm pretty sure I saw Gustavo out in the car park of the restaurant cleaning up trash on a few occasions. Maybe it's something about cleaning up after the Salamanca's do their thing, or maybe I've gone too far :pac: Fun episode

gormdubhgorm · 03-10-2018 06:45PM

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Jimmys t shirt in the cafe with Kim after the scam, what was it?.

I believe it was a jimmy Buffett T-Shirt.
Only ever heard of him through South Park (of all things)
He is an easy listening singer in his 70s now.

jimmy-buffett-em-versao-south-park-1344851104298_956x500.jpg

jimmy-buffett-em-versao-south-park-1344851104298_956x500.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Buffett

I assume the T-Shirt was worn by saul to look more idiotic and harmless?

Fairly catchy stuff

Bigus · 03-10-2018 06:56PM

Thammer wrote: »

It's hilarious when they're praising guss's chicken

He fired away the cup when he was leaving

Very Pulp fiction style as per the big Kahoona burger.

The camera iris would be overpowered by the laser and then it would damage the light sensitivite microchip , blinding the camera temporarily and causing damage to individual pixels.

Kevin Finnerty · 03-10-2018 07:40PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I believe it was a jimmy Buffett T-Shirt.

I assume the T-Shirt was worn by saul to look more idiotic and harmless?

Thanks for that. There are so many minor details I'm reading too much into it!

ButtersSuki · 03-10-2018 09:07PM

Great, great episode - best this season IMO; and the standard has been very high. The Jimmy and Kim on the rooftop scene was the best scene this series - and that's saying something. The acting has been top notch across the board but that scene was just excellence defined. Everything from the car speeding up to the rooftop building the tension quickly, to Kim smoking anxiously as she wonders what state Jimmy will be in, to the argument, to the killer line "you're always down Jimmy" she delivers when he's giving out to her. Odenkirk can start clearing space for his Emmy now.

And then we get not one but 2 great scenes from Eduardo (with Hector and Gus). I don't think I've seen this actor (remarkably Irish-sounding name "Tony Dalton") before (I thought he was in Narcos but I was getting him confused with someone else) but he absolutely nails his greaseball character. His intro scene last week was great, but this week he surpassed himself. You just know this guy is a psycho, and that we're going to see that at some stage, possibly next week?

Agree with some earlier posters that I thought Werner was going to kill himself but it didn't happen. His signals to Mike about the guys needing sunlight and R 'n' R weren't in hindsight about them, but about him. Werner (sadly) is coming to a bad end when he's found - and he will be found; which again then asks what happens to ze rest of ze Germans? They're likely all getting waxed at this stage.

I try and watch all of these twice before jumping to the next episode but I've fallen behind in recent weeks. Will likely do a full rewatch next week when Ep. 10 drops. Seriously p*ssed off I'll have to wait another year for S5 though.

I'm jealous of people who've never watched this....lol. I know I said this recently but for me BCS is now superior to BB, and with episodes like this I really can't wait to see where we're going.

gormdubhgorm · 03-10-2018 09:10PM

This fella does good reviews, I find it amusing that he sounds like a character from the Sopranos.

Pelvis · 03-10-2018 09:37PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

And then we get not one but 2 great scenes from Eduardo (with Hector and Gus). I don't think I've seen this actor (remarkably Irish-sounding name "Tony Dalton") before (I thought he was in Narcos but I was getting him confused with someone else).

I though the same, was certain he was Gustavo in Narcos, checked as soon as the episode finished!

NickNickleby · 03-10-2018 09:40PM

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Thanks for that. There are so many minor details I'm reading too much into it!

haha, no I'm the world's worst for that.

NickNickleby · 03-10-2018 09:44PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I believe it was a jimmy Buffett T-Shirt.
Only ever heard of him through South Park (of all things)
He is an easy listening singer in his 70s now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Buffett

I assume the T-Shirt was worn by saul to look more idiotic and harmless?

Fairly catchy stuff

Wow, that takes me back, I remember listening to him in the 70's.

NickNickleby · 03-10-2018 09:50PM

Looks like I'm out on a limb with my prediction for the Germans - including Werner. Even that review that gormduhgorm posted is hinting they're gonners. But, I'm still not convinced they're doomed. I still think there's precedent, albeit from BB. And remember, Mike has a thing about 'his' guys.

If Werner is wasted, then it's probably a cert that the rest will follow when the job's finished. Nope, still can't see it.

Can't wait for Tuesday now!!

noodler · 03-10-2018 11:02PM

Didn't quite get the blueprint scam.

Didn't quite buy Jimmy's rant at Kim either, felt kind of written in.

unkel · 03-10-2018 11:24PM

Some brilliant stuff, but other lines aren't really working, are they?

Kim has been losing all interest in anything to do with Mesa Verde for months now. Why and how would she gather up the passion (with Jimmy) to come up with a stunning plan like the swapping of the blueprints? And the perfect execution of that plan? Makes no sense at all.

Werner escaping was not realistic either. Nothing about it was. Sure he gets irrational and I'm sure he feels he must get out - but had he not just proven that he can actually overcome his panic attacks and irrational thoughts while fixing the explosive wire? And a very well thought out and executed escape plan, but no way and no means to get out of the country? And the money he is paid (millions - he can retire with it) and the hush hush factor is so high, that he must realise the implications if he gets caught. And the implications for his men and their families even if he doesn't get caught. Makes no sense at all.

Unless I'm missing something major here - thoughts?

gormdubhgorm · 04-10-2018 12:51AM

unkel wrote: »

Some brilliant stuff, but other lines aren't really working, are they?

Kim has been losing all interest in anything to do with Mesa Verde for months now. Why and how would she gather up the passion (with Jimmy) to come up with a stunning plan like the swapping of the blueprints? And the perfect execution of that plan? Makes no sense at all.

Werner escaping was not realistic either. Nothing about it was. Sure he gets irrational and I'm sure he feels he must get out - but had he not just proven that he can actually overcome his panic attacks and irrational thoughts while fixing the explosive wire? And a very well thought out and executed escape plan, but no way and no means to get out of the country? And the money he is paid (millions - he can retire with it) and the hush hush factor is so high, that he must realise the implications if he gets caught. And the implications for his men and their families even if he doesn't get caught. Makes no sense at all.

Unless I'm missing something major here - thoughts?

Werner's escape requires a bit of suspension of disbelief I suppose.
However, it is no more far fetched then fellas exploding things under ground and no one notices a thing...
By thier usual pace it is a bit rushed.
But I am all for stuff happening so I can't really complain on that score.
Like you though I don't get the Kim story line at all - her character is not very consistent, unlike Jimmy's

Bigus · 04-10-2018 01:05AM

unkel wrote: »

Some brilliant stuff, but other lines aren't really working, are they?

Kim has been losing all interest in anything to do with Mesa Verde for months now. Why and how would she gather up the passion (with Jimmy) to come up with a stunning plan like the swapping of the blueprints? And the perfect execution of that plan? Makes no sense at all

Unless I'm missing something major here - thoughts?

Doh... for the big mesa verde retainer/ salary, which she can use to enable her and jimmy's fantasies.

One cat out of the bag stroke like that will get her at least two years earnings doing drudgery with no results.

wadacrack · 04-10-2018 06:51AM

The Kim character is awful really. Her relationship with Jimmy seems very fake too. I know its the intention of the writers to portray this but it just seems a bit much

Muscles Schultz · 04-10-2018 09:25AM

wadacrack wrote: »

The Kim character is awful really. Her relationship with Jimmy seems very fake too. I know its the intention of the writers to portray this but it just seems a bit much

It’s complete nonsense always was.

unkel · 04-10-2018 09:42AM

Bigus wrote: »

Doh... for the big mesa verde retainer/ salary, which she can use to enable her and jimmy's fantasies.

One cat out of the bag stroke like that will get her at least two years earnings doing drudgery with no results.

I'm not buying that.

Her retainer was obviously save as they didn't even kick her out after she messed up and prioritised her pro bono case when she was urgently needed at Mesa Verde

unkel · 04-10-2018 09:50AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

However, it is no more far fetched then fellas exploding things under ground and no one notices a thing...

Have you been to the US, to thinly populated areas? I'd say it is very feasible to do a few smallish scale explosions (covered by a very loud truck) with nobody paying attention / raising suspicion

I seem to notice over the last few episodes (could be wrong here) that the laundrette is in a much less built up area than it is in later years in BB. Perhaps one of the first buildings in a newly to be developed area?

The blasts in particular and the building of the lab in geneneral, are completely believable and very well worked out imho. The one strong pillar of this season, no pun intended

And there's the clear observations that the crew (supposed to be the best pros in the world that money can buy) are only human, and quite fallible. Almost pathetic. Not even that good at their jobs at times (under pressure), so it seems. Gives it another quite believable angle. This is the sort of depth and attention to detail you will not find in any other show.

Penn · 04-10-2018 10:06AM

noodler wrote: »

Didn't quite get the blueprint scam.

The boss of Mesa Verde wanted to change the design of their new branch, but Kim said the plans had already been submitted to the (not sure what the actual term for them would be, but basically their version of a County Council or Planning Authority), so they couldn't change them. But then Kim and Jimmy came up with a plan to do it.

She went to the Council and asked to see the plans to check something. She pulled out one set of drawings which were the same as the ones submitted, so the clerk would think they're the same, so Kim put her copy of the drawings back in the tube. After Jimmy came in, ruined the Council's copy, the clerk agreed to swap out the ruined Council's copy for the set Kim had brought, since they were the same, but Kim pulled a different set of drawings out of the tube (with the changes her boss had wanted) and gave them to the clerk. The clerk wouldn't be familiar enough with the drawings to notice the differences, and thought they were the same set as they had checked together, so stamped them to make them look the council drawings that were ruined.

So Kim was basically able to replace the drawings for the smaller office with ones for a bigger office (or whatever the changes were that her boss wanted), without having to resubmit the entire thing which would have cost too much time and money, by making it seem like the new drawings were the ones submitted in the first place.

Tabnabs · 04-10-2018 10:06AM

It's the wonderful details that make this show so outstanding.

Jimmy did not choose the two schools he mentioned during his hearing at random

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