BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

Hotblack Desiato · 03-10-2018 5:36pm

Qrt wrote: »

The buses have gotten a new lick of paint, that's all the end user should notice.

They'll notice when they open the DB website or app and the 175 isn't there.

L1011 · 03-10-2018 5:41pm

Qrt wrote: »

You must've been in a very expensive pub. I didn't fine Denmark to be too expensive really, just like home.

It's 7-8 quid in most bars for the same volume. Considering drink is significantly cheaper in shops than here, drinking in bars is very dear there

Qrt · 03-10-2018 8:46pm

L1011 wrote: »

It's 7-8 quid in most bars for the same volume. Considering drink is significantly cheaper in shops than here, drinking in bars is very dear there

After spending two months in ex Danish Schleswig-Holstein, the Germans don't do pubs really at all. The local town had a population of a couple of thousand, two supermarkets, two bakeries, a garage, opticians, and police station – but no pub. Public transport was pretty limited too, which was a shock to say the least.

Shedite27 · 03-10-2018 9:17pm

Sorry to interrupt the chat about german drinking habits, Jarret Walker also did the redesign in Wellington's bus, here's an article reviewing the process 6 years later.

Brian CivilEng · 03-10-2018 9:20pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Sorry to interrupt the chat about german drinking habits, Jarret Walker also did the redesign in Wellington's bus, here's an article reviewing the process 6 years later.

And in the interest of balance, his response
https://humantransit.org/2018/10/wellington-notes-on-an-nz-newsroom-article.html

Lord Glentoran · 03-10-2018 10:10pm

How reassuringly Dublin. Let’s go digging for ****e on someone who is attempting an improvement on “but that’s the way it’s always been done - change is notiony”

:mad:

GM228 · 03-10-2018 10:57pm

cgcsb wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, the blackhall place camera is still working, but there are no fines being issued.

CatInABox wrote: »

Yeah, they had it running only as a trial, as there's no legal basis for it. It needs the legislation to go through the process before it can be "reactivated".

The Road Traffic Act 2010 provided the legal evidential basis for the cameras and many FCPNs (and a few convictions) were issued as a result of the cameras.

Indeed, they only ran as a trial and there is currently no plans to use them in the future.

GM228 · 03-10-2018 10:57pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Sorry to interrupt the chat about german drinking habits, Jarret Walker also did the redesign in Wellington's bus, here's an article reviewing the process 6 years later.

The NBRU picked up on this yesterday:-

https://twitter.com/DermotLeary/status/1047197339683889157

Pity the NBRU (and indeed Newsroom) didn't do their homework when stating he was the "US consultant behind Wellington bus nightmare", for example the New Zealand articles link to Walkers blog brings you straight to his latest blog where he rubbished the article, the article was updated after his blog and took no account of it.

Guess the NBRU didn't research the article too closely, or perhaps they did and conveniently forgot about it.

marno21 · 04-10-2018 12:01am

Can anyone provide examples of successful bus network redesigns by Dermot O'Leary or anyone he endorses to redesign a network?

sharper · 04-10-2018 9:24am

GM228 wrote: »

The NBRU picked up on this yesterday:-

https://twitter.com/taniadoylecllr/status/1047200848328187905

The number of elected officials that apparently can't even do a google search to answer their own concerns is incredible. If Tania Doyle spent even a few minutes researching it she'd learn JWA won an open tender for the redesign. Why does she even think they were the only ones approached?

Shedite27 · 04-10-2018 10:16am

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

How reassuringly Dublin. Let’s go digging for ****e on someone who is attempting an improvement on “but that’s the way it’s always been done - change is notiony”

:mad:

Steady on Lord, I was just pointing out that this is the sort of reaction that redesigns get all over the world.

But how reassuringly Dublin that someone assumes the post is negative :rolleyes:

spuddy · 04-10-2018 10:19am

When did the yellow appear in the new livery?

CatInABox · 04-10-2018 10:27am

spuddy wrote: »

When did the yellow appear in the new livery?

It came in after complaints that the NTA didn't consult with people with disabilities. The yellow was found to be easier to spot for certain people, which is why the Dublin Bub livery was that colour, so the NTA brought it back in at the front, and the poles internally are yellow as well as a result.

An unforced mistake by the NTA in fairness, they really should have consulted the groups before hand. I listened to it at the time and really facepalmed.

spuddy · 04-10-2018 10:44am

CatInABox wrote: »

It came in after complaints that the NTA didn't consult with people with disabilities. The yellow was found to be easier to spot for certain people, which is why the Dublin Bub livery was that colour, so the NTA brought it back in at the front, and the poles internally are yellow as well as a result.

An unforced mistake by the NTA in fairness, they really should have consulted the groups before hand. I listened to it at the time and really facepalmed.

What a total hodgepodge!

punisher5112 · 04-10-2018 2:21pm

I really believe the yellow was put on as everything has been left to the last minute and they don't want the buses looking too different till db side changes.

Seen 1st of the new street lite single Decker's in Dundrum today.

CatInABox · 08-10-2018 10:28am

It's interesting how quickly this dropped off the first page as soon as the consultation finished up. I suppose it has been replaced a little by the GoAhead thread, the resultant Bus Expansion, and the news about the 2019 contracts.

Anyway, the Dublin Chamber neatly summed up my thinking on the BusConnects project here, quite a nice article.

Staph · 08-10-2018 10:45am

Thanks for the article, it's a nice overview of the proposed new system.

CatInABox · 08-10-2018 10:52am

https://twitter.com/humantransit/status/1049217769332506625

A nice touch.

bk · 08-10-2018 1:37pm

CatInABox wrote: »

Anyway, the Dublin Chamber neatly summed up my thinking on the BusConnects project here, quite a nice article.

Absolutely excellent article, let me highlight one quote in particular:

We believe that a desired commute time of no more than 30 minutes should be achievable from anywhere within the M50 to the city centre by the year 2050.

I think this is a very laudable goal and quiet frankly crazy that we don't already have it.

LeinsterDub · 08-10-2018 2:54pm

bk wrote: »

I think this is a very laudable goal and quiet frankly crazy that we don't already have it.

30 minutes that's a whole pile of metro's they are going to need does the Luas even meet this target? I suppose it depends how you define city center.

cgcsb · 08-10-2018 3:10pm

By the year 2050? surely achievable by 2030 if not earlier? Assuming metro, bus connects and DART expansion are delivered in full.

Qrt · 08-10-2018 3:11pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

30 minutes that's a whole pile of metro's they are going to need does the Luas even meet this target? I suppose it depends how you define city center.

Luas gets to the Red Cow from Abbey Street in 30 mins. Red line needs to have some stops removed and some more grade separation, the Long Mile/Nangor Junction especially.

MJohnston · 08-10-2018 3:12pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

30 minutes that's a whole pile of metro's they are going to need does the Luas even meet this target? I suppose it depends how you define city center.

The Luas definitely does, 27 minutes from Central Park to Stephen's Green. It should be easily possible on buses using all Dublin's spinal road routes too.

Metro will be the only way to achieve this in the south-west quadrant of the inner-M50 area though.

cgcsb · 08-10-2018 3:17pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Metro will be the only way to achieve this in the south-west quadrant of the inner-M50 area though.

Bus Connects claims otherwise.

Slutmonkey57b · 08-10-2018 4:38pm

QBC's have proved that it's doable. All they have to do is force through some of the infrastructure changes and 30 minutes is possible. They may have to implement one way routes in some cases but ultimately sw Dublin is flat, property values are relatively low, and there aren't major heritage areas. It's not like they're trying to drive a dual carriageway through malahide and dalkey.

Qrt · 08-10-2018 7:05pm

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

but ultimately sw Dublin is flat, property values are relatively low, and there aren't major heritage areas. It's not like they're trying to drive a dual carriageway through malahide and dalkey.

We must be talking about different South West Dublins then... Rathmines/Harold's Cross, Rathgar, Terenure... they're not exactly cheap places.

MJohnston · 08-10-2018 7:11pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Bus Connects claims otherwise.

Oh I'm sure it's possible on the arterial routes, but the declaration was it should be possible from *anywhere* inside the M50. For that I think you need Metro - not that the Metro will go everywhere inside the M50, but it is fast enough that you have more spare time getting to the nearest Metro station, compared to a bus.

Chris_5339762 · 08-10-2018 7:52pm

A long way to go!

Slutmonkey57b · 08-10-2018 7:53pm

Qrt wrote: »

We must be talking about different South West Dublins then... Rathmines/Harold's Cross, Rathgar, Terenure... they're not exactly cheap places.

With the exception of terenure, that's South/Central Dublin, so yes.

Qrt · 08-10-2018 9:05pm

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

With the exception of terenure, that's South/Central Dublin, so yes.

Where is south west Dublin then?

BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

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