Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

splinter65 · 28-09-2018 04:07PM

Sorry to hear about your bereavement and how you are feeling at the moment. Mixed advice here but the main thing for you to know is that of course you are not obliged to participate in job activation schemes if your not well enough.
Your first move is to go to your GP and ask him to fill in a sw illness benefit form. There is also a form for you to complete. Make an appointment to see your local CWO asap and bring both completed forms to him or her.
Your JSA will be suspended while your illness benefit claim is processed and you will get SWA instead. SWA is €2 less than JSA. That is all.
If you do not have the PRSI paid to qualify for Illness Benefit then you will continue to get the SWA while you continue to submit doctors certs to the CWO every week but as some point soon you will probably have to apply for Disabilty Allowance as SWA is really only a short term payment.
Hope this helps.

jacob2 · 28-09-2018 04:33PM

straighttohell wrote: »

Likewise, it's a complete scam. There was even an article in the Independent recently about these Job Path companies. I didnt realise at the time that TN were one of them.

its all a scam to look like there getting every body a job bonus for them etc get a new job and change your number end of them

loki7777 · 28-09-2018 08:42PM

I wasted almost an hour to get to them just to find out that my (new)PA is not there and she will(or will not as i'm in my 4th month and have been talking to 4 of them already, and everytime starting all over again just to go to someone else next time) meet with me next week. Try to not inform them that you can't attend and your payment will get cut but it only works one way.

Some Random Username · 02-10-2018 03:13PM

I signed up for jobseekers last week and just got a letter saying I have been assigned a Turas Nua advisor. It also says I have to go to a meeting with other jobseekers next week and I'll be discussing a PPP. Would this be the meeting where they ask you to sign the PPP? I just want to make sure I'm prepared before I agree to sign anything that could put me in a bad situation.

Also, I've been on jobseekers briefly before but I only dealt with Intreo and I found my most recent job myself though I did do an eCollege course through them which didn't hurt. I want to do another course as soon as possible to occupy myself again while searching but last time I couldn't sign up until my Intreo case officer gave me the go ahead (they were completely fine with it but they were on leave when I found a course I wanted). I was wondering would I be able to sign up somehow now even though I haven't been given an Intreo case officer like last time or would I have to wait to see if TN allow me to do it. I assume TN would eventually allow me to do an eCollege course but I would have to agree a PPP?

LegacyUser · 02-10-2018 04:52PM

Some Random Username wrote: »

I signed up for jobseekers last week and just got a letter saying I have been assigned a Turas Nua advisor. It also says I have to go to a meeting with other jobseekers next week and I'll be discussing a PPP. Would this be the meeting where they ask you to sign the PPP? I just want to make sure I'm prepared before I agree to sign anything that could put me in a bad situation.

Also, I've been on jobseekers briefly before but I only dealt with Intreo and I found my most recent job myself though I did do an eCollege course through them which didn't hurt. I want to do another course as soon as possible to occupy myself again while searching but last time I couldn't sign up until my Intreo case officer gave me the go ahead (they were completely fine with it but they were on leave when I found a course I wanted). I was wondering would I be able to sign up somehow now even though I haven't been given an Intreo case officer like last time or would I have to wait to see if TN allow me to do it. I assume TN would eventually allow me to do an eCollege course but I would have to agree a PPP?

They should do, according to https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-04-04a.911

DubInTheWest · 03-10-2018 09:55AM

gnarbarian wrote: »

Hoping somebody can help me out here...
I have now in the past 2 weeks started year 2 on Turas nua who are already bullying me and making me feel like I am an inch tall and also now on top of that I am expected to go on an interview for a Tús scheme next week...
My father died last Saturday night after a ten month fight for his life in St Vincent's...
I am feeling very depressed and not able to deal with all of this especially as I suffer with anxiety as well. I have made an appointment with my doctor for Wednesday to see if I can possibly get a sick cert for a couple of weeks.
I am hoping somebody could give me any advice whether it be big or small as to how I can deal with all this.. Do I ask to be excused from one of the schemes so that I can deal with my dads death because I am afraid that I cannot deal with both of these schemes at the same time and I feel it is going to be the thing that kills me.

Year 2 ? I thought it was only a 1 year programme ? I knew some people who attended both Turas Nua and Seetec and it was only a year, have things changed ?

dhaughton99 · 03-10-2018 10:03AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

Year 2 ? I thought it was only a 1 year programme ? I knew some people who attended both Turas Nua and Seetec and it was only a year, have things changed ?

Because the govt have nothing else to offer, you will be put on to the scheme again once you finish the year. You will also be put on the TUS or equivalents.

DubInTheWest · 03-10-2018 10:20AM

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Because the govt have nothing else to offer, you will be put on to the scheme again once you finish the year. You will also be put on the TUS or equivalents.

Whatever about other schemes but I can't understand why the government would pay these (Turas Nua/Seetec) again if they were unsuccessful in a whole year in helping get someone employment.

I actually know some people who work in one of those places who are 'advisors' and they say they are under pressure to meet quotas each week and bring people in, 'in bulk' so it looks good on paper/pc screen.

All this job path crap has always been a load of boll*x. I remember back in 2011 when I was unemployed I did a full time course and I met an architect who was a very decent guy. He told me his business failed and they had him working for some crowd for 50 quid a week and it was full time. He eventually got out of it and did the full time course and gained some education at least.

If the job path thing was fair and it actually helped people fine but from what I actually hear and read its useless. I've tried to look at it positively but I just see the negatives.

Wanderer78 · 03-10-2018 10:23AM

DubInTheWest wrote:

Whatever about other schemes but I can't understand why the government would pay these (Turas Nua/Seetec) again if they were unsuccessful in a whole year in helping get someone employment.

Sadly it's all a political game, and 'participants' are just the pawns, disturbingly it's exasperating some of the most common route causes of long term unemployment

fryup · 03-10-2018 11:05AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Sadly it's all a political game, and 'participants' are just the pawns, disturbingly it's exasperating some of the most common route causes of long term unemployment

in what way ?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-10-2018 11:09AM

I do actually feel bad for the advisors working there like. Poor young fellah who called me last week sounded like he might cry, I wasn't being aggressive or anything at all, I'd say he might have had a few similarly frustrating phone calls in a row. They're getting them from sales jobs and acting like they're recruitment specialists, they're having to deal with people who might need certain supports, who mightn't speak English, might be incredibly distrustful of institutions, be downright anti-social; most of them seem to be under 25. Sure my one was reminiscing about her previous job in a call centre and how great it was because "you get to sit down ALL day". Yeah go get em tiger.

Wanderer78 · 03-10-2018 11:43AM

fryup wrote: »

in what way ?

its actually inducing mental health issues in many of its participants, some of which would already have these issues anyway, long term unemployment is actually highly complex

splinter65 · 03-10-2018 12:01PM

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Because the govt have nothing else to offer, you will be put on to the scheme again once you finish the year. You will also be put on the TUS or equivalents.

What would you like them to offer you instead?

oceanman · 03-10-2018 09:10PM

splinter65 wrote: »

What would you like them to offer you instead?

the chance of a real job?

splinter65 · 03-10-2018 10:02PM

oceanman wrote: »

the chance of a real job?

What’s stopping you from getting a “real” job yourself though? Youre on JSB/A because you haven’t got a job. You’ve been referred to TN/Seetec because you need help in your job search. Are TN/Seetec hampering your chances of getting a real job? How?

oceanman · 03-10-2018 10:56PM

splinter65 wrote: »

What’s stopping you from getting a “real” job yourself though? Youre on JSB/A because you haven’t got a job. You’ve been referred to TN/Seetec because you need help in your job search. Are TN/Seetec hampering your chances of getting a real job? How?

I actually have a real job, no thanks to seetec which I spent a year with and found to be a total waste of time. do you work for the department of social welfare?

splinter65 · 03-10-2018 11:16PM

oceanman wrote: »

I actually have a real job, no thanks to seetec which I spent a year with and found to be a total waste of time. do you work for the department of social welfare?

Why do you think that where I work is anything to do with you? (No I don’t work for DSP) Where do you work? Are you married? Do you have kids? Where do you live? I demand that you answer.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-10-2018 11:23PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Why do you think that where I work is anything to do with you? (No I don’t work for DSP) Where do you work? Are you married? Do you have kids? Where do you live? I demand that you answer.

See, someone defending a tax payer funded programme with a documented 18% success rate of their stated aim and numerous other problems is relevant given your motivation to defend it on this thread. I've had dealings with both Seetec and Turas Nua, so has OceanMan, and almost every other poster here apart from you, apparently.

Straight up question I'll answer in kind, why do you defend them and on what basis?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-10-2018 11:55PM

Also for sh1ts n giggles I'll answer the "real job" question. My seetec adviser (who shared with me that he'd been unemployed until his friend got him an interview..OOPS I mean he was a guy with such deep sectoral knowledge of the local job market that he's ideally positioned to help other people get suitable, rewarding positions they couldn't get from google) was sending my CV out with my name cropped from the top of it; someone who called me back for an interview gave me a heads up.

That was my "well sh1t, I'll take anything" CV luckily, and there are other examples in this thread of advisers murdering CVs for people with specific qualifications. Both my Seetec and TN advisers were pretty uninterested in the CV that with additional supports and knowledge could lead to me getting a better paid, more highly taxed job, they just wanted me to get a job, any job. With literally no input from those out-of-their-depth but nice people, I got voluntary positions and freelance work which I, (I), am now slowly but steadily leveraging into a real job (I'd to go through the DSP to find out how to invoice/sign off and be compliant doing occasional freelance work); and, with the implicit refusal of TN's input, got a raise in my part time job which enabled me to sign off JSA while still continuing that, living inside, eating food, and not having bi-monthly meetings of travelling 20 minutes to wait 10 minutes for a 5 minute appointment of watching someone look at the home page of jobs.ie, print me out a letter for my next appointment and refund me my busfare.

With TN, I at one point just to have something to say at the meeting floated the idea of going self-employed in an auxillary skill I have that is completely not future-proofed and over saturated, her eyes glazed over while I was talking and then told me "that sounds like a great idea!".

And yet, they. Are. Still. Calling. Me.

fin12 · 04-10-2018 12:02AM

Mario Hundreds Newsprint wrote: »

See, someone defending a tax payer funded programme with a documented 18% success rate of their stated aim and numerous other problems is relevant given your motivation to defend it on this thread. I've had dealings with both Seetec and Turas Nua, so has OceanMan, and almost every other poster here apart from you, apparently.

Straight up question I'll answer in kind, why do you defend them and on what basis?

They even defend them when they are contacting you and your are in full time employment, it’s none of their business what ur at as long as your not on jobseekers benefit/Allowance.

Yer Da sells Avon · 04-10-2018 12:05AM

splinter65 wrote: »

You’ve been referred to TN/Seetec because you need help in your job search. Are TN/Seetec hampering your chances of getting a real job? How?

You don't get referred to them because you need help in your job search - their advisers don't seem to possess the qualifications to provide anything beyond basic CV preparation assistance - you get referred to them because the government wants to massage the unemployment statistics by removing as many people as possible from the live register. It is little more than a scam, and also a massive waste of public money.

And yes, they can absolutely hamper your chances of getting a real job. I had to cancel several appointments with them during the summer because they clashed with job interviews (which I had applied for independently of Turas Nua). As a result, I was automatically referred back to the DEASP for 'failure to engage' and my payment was cut (and inexplicably moved to a different post office). If I had known that this would happen, maybe I would have cancelled or rescheduled those interviews. Thankfully I didn't, as one of them turned out to be successful. However, the start date for the job was two months away.

Even after producing a letter from the employer, confirming that I had been offered and had accepted the job, I was told that the only way to get my payment reinstated was to re-engage with Turas Nua. I couldn't afford not to, so I had to go through the motions of three absolutely pointless appointments with my adviser (they pay your bus fare/parking fee though, so it was no real skin off my nose). One of those appointments was less than five minutes long - most of that time was spent arranging a date for my next appointment (which was also pointless) and collecting my €3 parking fee.

I'm happy enough for my adviser to get his bonus or whatever (even though I got the job without his assistance), because he seems like a nice guy, and I feel a bit sorry for him. I can't help feeling that I'm complicit in the whole scam though.

frosty123 · 04-10-2018 12:24PM

frosty123 wrote: »

well i was told yesterday even if you're on a CE scheme you still have to attend TN ? is this true?

Heiser wrote: »

They say this is the case although I don't know what they'll actually do if you don't attend your meetings. When on a CE you won't be on jobseekers so they can't cut your payment

can anyone else confirm this?

Thammer · 04-10-2018 12:31PM

frosty123 wrote: »

can anyone else confirm this?

You're on a wage when you're on a CE scheme

It's a job

Mickeroo · 04-10-2018 12:33PM

When I was on jobpath I was told I wasn't eligible for the likes of CE schemes while I was with them.

wiz569 · 04-10-2018 01:41PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

When I was on jobpath I was told I wasn't eligible for the likes of CE schemes while I was with them.

It changed in June m8 .

Some Random Username · 04-10-2018 03:49PM

So I got a call from Turas Nua earlier today about my meeting next week. The phonecall asked me to confrim my date of birth for "data protection" which doesn't seem to be that secure to me.

Which is strange because I never had any contact with them whatsoever apart from the letter they just sent. Where did they get my mobile phone number from? Did socal welfare send them my personal info or something? Can anyone advise on this because I'm pretty sure they shouldn't have my data without my permisson.

Johnnycanyon · 04-10-2018 04:27PM

Some Random Username wrote: »

So I got a call from Turas Nua earlier today about my meeting next week. The phonecall asked me to confrim my date of birth for "data protection" which doesn't seem to be that secure to me.

Which is strange because I never had any contact with them whatsoever apart from the letter they just sent. Where did they get my mobile phone number from? Did socal welfare send them my personal info or something? Can anyone advise on this because I'm pretty sure they shouldn't have my data without my permisson.

Ye you can be sure it was social welfare, same happened to me when I was with them,but soon changed my number and as far as they TN and SW are concerned I do not have a phone number any more.. when I returned to work they rang my employer and the only way they could have found out where I was working was from SW..

Some Random Username · 04-10-2018 04:50PM

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

Ye you can be sure it was social welfare, same happened to me when I was with them,but soon changed my number and as far as they TN and SW are concerned I do not have a phone number any more.. when I returned to work they rang my employer and the only way they could have found out where I was working was from SW..

That's what I thought. No doubt they'll ask me to sign a form next week giving them permission to use my data which they already have.

Yer Da sells Avon · 04-10-2018 05:02PM

I noticed a far more serious data protection issue during my Turas Nua appointments. It's a big open-plan office, and I was sitting alongside my adviser, as opposed to opposite him, which means I could sometimes see other clients' details on their computer screen (including PPSN, DOB, address, email address, phone number, length of time they've been on social welfare, how many times they've failed to 'engage' with Turas Nua, etc). At one point, he went off to photocopy something and I could easily have whipped my phone out and surreptitiously taken a shot of someone else's file that was open on the screen.

Johnnycanyon · 04-10-2018 05:14PM

Just before I finished my time with them they had changed to electronic signature on the PPP . I told them I was unable to use a computer let alone use a mouse but I found out later that they had signed my name on the document.Fraud as far as I know.

Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

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