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Bounty Hunter · 01-10-2018 05:14PM

Cancelled the network myself last month, same day I got Netflix which also offers a free month. I did think at the time the network was good value but damn I use Netlix (which costs the same) so so many times more than I ever did the Network.

If I read on here that something amazing happened on Raw i'll watch it but its been a long time since I cared less about what they are presenting me. Oh no what unexpected twist will happen in the build to the six man tag at Super Showdown which sees the world, IC & tag champs not defend their titles on the show or something as unmissable as The Riott Squad vs The Bellas (ronda is involved in this but my gawd this has to be the least interesting thing she has ever been attached to).

They are going to keep making money but if your boring the hole off someone who has modded a PW board (while mostly watching WWE) for the past decade (honestly couldn't say how long off the top of my head tbh) then your not doing creative right. It's not that I really dislike what I am being presented it's more just a big giant Meh for me that even if I do watch I mostly zone out playing on my phone etc

The Nal · 01-10-2018 05:27PM

SlickRic wrote: »

it's not the wrestlers.

WWE has conditioned the audience to know that nothing matters. so why would there be heat?

The main issue is that WWE don't let wrestlers do their own promos. No character development and hence we don't give a shít about the angles and matches. Most of the top guys have been the exact same character for years.

Strowman is relatively new but hes the same character he was when he started 3 years ago. Thats the same time as Hogan being WWE champion, leaving, taking a break, joining WCW, having a run as face and turning heel and forming the NWO.

Its the same amount of time as Austin going from the Ringmaster to having neck surgery.

Same amount of time as The Rock from the Nation to The Mummy Returns.

All of DXs original run.

And the formation of the NWO to the Wolfpac to the fingerpoke of doom.

But Strowman is the exact same guy!

I wont even get into Reigns or Blandy or Rollins or ....well.... everyone else.

Rock Lesnar · 01-10-2018 05:27PM

Only get the network for the rumble to mania, dont watch raw unless i read something that might interest me happened, i'll record and quickly watch smackdown cos the lads i like are there like Joe, Miz and Styles.

The 90's definitely seem so long ago now when i couldnt wait to see what Austin was up to, or listen to Rocks promos.

Itssoeasy · 01-10-2018 05:59PM

As bad as it can be I've no intention of getting rid of the WWE network. I mean the archive they have and the price is less than I'm paying for Netflix. I mean yes the current product is poor but I'd be very reluctant to cancel it.

sky88 · 01-10-2018 06:10PM

wwe network is just great for the archive what makes it worth the price for me plus we all know the current product is not the best but there always good to great matchs on ppvs and then the NXT, mae young stuff adds to the value

retalivity · 01-10-2018 06:12PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

The mere sight of Steph McMahon has me wanting to turf the tv against the wall. She adds absolutely nothing.

Dont suppose youre going to the web summit then!

Itssoeasy · 01-10-2018 06:15PM

sky88 wrote: »

wwe network is just great for the archive what makes it worth the price for me plus we all know the current product is not the best but there always good to great matchs on ppvs and then the NXT, mae young stuff adds to the value

Yeah as I said the archive is brilliant value for money. I think there is 11,000 hours of content on it and that's apparently one a tenth of the video library the WWE have.

J. Marston · 01-10-2018 06:35PM

retalivity wrote: »

Dont suppose youre going to the web summit then!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn7w5t5WsAAlA_3.jpg

Imagine the buzzword bullshít at that.

Loughc · 01-10-2018 07:34PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

As bad as it can be I've no intention of getting rid of the WWE network. I mean the archive they have and the price is less than I'm paying for Netflix. I mean yes the current product is poor but I'd be very reluctant to cancel it.

I’m now making my way through WCW from 1996 onwards. That’s well worth the subscription alone at the moment. The current product is well fooked. But as soon I’m bored of doing the bad catalogue I’ll be getting rid of it.

gerrybbadd · 02-10-2018 08:26AM

Just looking at highlights. Man! Elias got nuclear heat from the crowd. I've never heard a boo that loud or long

sky88 · 02-10-2018 10:14AM

those boos for eilas were something else

i never thought id see that day were shawn would have the bald head and taker would be the one to wear a wig

super_furry · 02-10-2018 10:24AM

I've stopped watching entirely and just read the Monday morning round-ups now. The current crop are never going to get a chance to really break out while the likes of Undertaker and Shawn Michaels are still being wheeled out and they would have never been the successes that they were under the current regime.

J. Marston · 02-10-2018 01:36PM

I usually laugh at the term "vanilla midget" or use it ironically but God, Finn is a such a vanilla midget.

A pile of smiling nothingness with abs.

Loughc · 02-10-2018 02:21PM

J. Marston wrote: »

I usually laugh at the term "vanilla midget" or use it ironically but God, Finn is a such a vanilla midget.

A pile of smiling nothingness with abs.

In fairness that's WWE fault, they don't know how to book faces and they don't know what to do with Finn or rate him.

The Nal · 02-10-2018 03:18PM

Loughc wrote: »

In fairness that's WWE fault, they don't know how to book faces and they don't know what to do with Finn or rate him.

I don't see whats wrong with a cruiserweight division with the odd crossover wrestler. Its a good base to build from and is proven.

Finn is 5ft 9 and 12 stone. The idea of him against a 6ft 3, 19 stone Lesnar or a 6ft 5, 23 stone Strowman is preposterous. Even for pro wrestling.

Loughc · 02-10-2018 03:27PM

The Nal wrote: »

I don't see whats wrong with a cruiserweight division with the odd crossover wrestler. Its a good base to build from and is proven.

Finn is 5ft 9 and 12 stone. The idea of him against a 6ft 3, 19 stone Lesnar or a 6ft 5, 23 stone Strowman is preposterous. Even for pro wrestling.

It didn't stop them throwing Rey Mysterio in against Big Show, Lesnar, Kane and the likes.

Agent Coulson · 02-10-2018 03:45PM

Elias amazing.

J. Marston · 02-10-2018 03:59PM

For a local sports team (or lack of a local sports team) jab, they took that very badly.

Lord TSC · 02-10-2018 04:28PM

It was an awesome segment, but I wish Owens hadsn't been so tied into the script. Felt like the two were caught a little off guard by how vicious the reaction was, but knew they had to cut that promo to get the lines in for the pre-match video package. Even an obvious line like "You can't see John Cena anymore. Just like these fans don't get to see their basketball team anymore, lol".

I also have to say, as much as they are geriatrics....I loved seeing DX vs the Brothers. Nostalgia overload on that. And Shawn's selling was brilliant.

Rock Lesnar · 02-10-2018 04:40PM

Remember the days when they used to mock Billionaire Ted and WCW for wheeling out all the old boys and here we are in 2018 and we got Triple H, HBK, Kane and Taker closing out the flagship show

Loughc · 02-10-2018 05:00PM

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

Remember the days when they used to mock Billionaire Ted and WCW for wheeling out all the old boys and here we are in 2018 and we got Triple H, HBK, Kane and Taker closing out the flagship show

And we laughed at Nitro going to 3 hours... and the introduction of Thunder and how all the much live tv will kill their storylines and over saturate their market.

But what difference does it make to WWE, they're still making money hand over fist, they're breaking into new untapped markets that are starved for their product. The TV networks are happy to hoover up 5+ hours of OG content each week that requires to production to them.

Had WCW survived to now they would be in the position WWE are in now.

gerrybbadd · 02-10-2018 05:02PM

It's even funnier seeing both Shawn & HHH with bald heads now too. HHH's look really suits him, he's like a God of War looking M'Fer now. Shawn though? He'll be so strange looking when he hasn't got that bandana on, and has his gear back on to wrestle taker "for the final time ever, for real this time, i mean it".

Loughc · 02-10-2018 05:06PM

gerrybbadd wrote: »

It's even funnier seeing both Shawn & HHH with bald heads now too. HHH's look really suits him, he's like a God of War looking M'Fer now. Shawn though? He'll be so strange looking when he hasn't got that bandana on, and has his gear back on to wrestle taker "for the final time ever, for real this time, i mean it".

They should bill it as a "Twice in a retirement match".

The Nal · 02-10-2018 05:13PM

Loughc wrote: »

It didn't stop them throwing Rey Mysterio in against Big Show, Lesnar, Kane and the likes.

Which was ridiculous.

Lord TSC wrote: »

And Shawn's selling was brilliant.

HBK and HHH two of the best sellers ever.

Best ever Stunner sell at 44 seconds

https://twitter.com/90sWWE/status/1046515694148481025

Rock Lesnar · 02-10-2018 05:20PM

Loughc wrote: »

And we laughed at Nitro going to 3 hours... and the introduction of Thunder and how all the much live tv will kill their storylines and over saturate their market.

But what difference does it make to WWE, they're still making money hand over fist, they're breaking into new untapped markets that are starved for their product. The TV networks are happy to hoover up 5+ hours of OG content each week that requires to production to them.

Had WCW survived to now they would be in the position WWE are in now.

They might, they might not, times change, competition between 2 big companies would produce a better product, i just find it amusing that they still need to send out 4 near and over 50 year olds in 2018.

Itssoeasy · 02-10-2018 05:34PM

I knew the Seattle supersonic fans were salty when they left but Jesus it seems it's still a sore point. A tip of the hat to Elias. I've liked him a lot and I thought the rock having a go at the kings that time drew heat, Elias topped it big time.

Also, I see HBK has joined the hulk hogan hair club.

CastorTroy · 02-10-2018 05:59PM

Elias loved the reaction. He couldn't help smiling.
Did anyone else expect Cena to actually promote his match?

Why did they make out Roman's match was a title match to begin with? I know I thought it was non title.
And they have the IC champ and Universal champ fight the tag champs in one-on-one matches yet they're not the main event?

So seems Liv is clear to compete on Saturday so far anyway. Unless they have more tests to do before then.

So 10am start here on Saturday.
On a kinda related note, isn't it Saturday night/Sunday morning that McGregor's fight is? Then more importantly, the new Doctor Who is on Sunday.

sky88 · 02-10-2018 06:14PM

ive actually enjoyed the build up to taker/trips to be fair but i think it shows just how weak the booking of raw has been all year. with these guys being who they are they can just say no to vince/creative if they dont want to do anything plus they all have established characters which is just not around for most of the wrestlers now.

J. Marston · 02-10-2018 11:49PM

This week's Monday Night RAW drew 2.302 million viewers. This is down from last week's 2.350 million viewers and a new historic low, coming in under last week's episode

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2018/10/wwe-raw-sets-another-historic-viewership-low-this-week-646360/

Roman is tanking ratings. The schadenfreude is delightful.

Autecher · 03-10-2018 08:51AM

CastorTroy wrote: »

On a kinda related note, isn't it Saturday night/Sunday morning that McGregor's fight is?

Yeah it will be on around 5-5:30 Sunday morning.

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