Charlie Haughey - Yay or Nay

sbsquarepants · 02-10-2018 01:13PM

He was a gangster, no more, no less.

Remember this was a man, who although he was vastly wealthy at the time, swindled his best friends fund, set up to buy him a new liver when he drank his old one into oblivion.

To say he had the morals of an alley cat is a huge insult to alley cats. Charlie was a scumbag.

Sleepy · 02-10-2018 01:23PM

I still want to know why CAB weren't sent in to relieve his estate of their ill-gotten gains.

James Brown · 02-10-2018 02:07PM

Josephine Greasy Greyhound wrote: »

show me a modern democracy that didn't start of as, or continues to be, a den of curruption. The republic is less than a hundred years old.

So if I rob your house and interfere with your pet hamster, you'll stand up in court for my defense and say 'What modern city doesn't have burglars?'.

The man was scum, and his family should have been stripped of every asset to pay back the state.

James Brown · 02-10-2018 02:12PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Under his leadership FF won enough votes in three elections to stay in power from 1997 to 2011. That is a record bettered only by Dev. So the people must have thought he was doing something right.

Like everything, it all comes out years later when for some reason they aren't tracked down and fed to dogs. Watch for Noonan in years to come and his 'inappropriate behaviour'. It's no accident the state does business with Cerberus and gives them a pass on heavy taxation.

Chips Lovell · 02-10-2018 02:18PM

My favourite Haughey story is the one told by John Waters in Jiving at the Crossroads:

sbsquarepants · 02-10-2018 02:28PM

applehunter wrote: »

Flawed character but he had a vision for Ireland.

.

He did.

And that vision was to milk it till the tits fell off!

02-10-2018 02:29PM

He made a god of money and status to compensate for growing up in poverty and that love of money power and status dominated and shaped his whole life.

Exiled1 · 02-10-2018 02:40PM

An evil little b*xt*rd whose family continue to enjoy his ill gotten gains long after his demise.
CAB seem to only go after the little people.

Working class heroes · 02-10-2018 02:54PM

Exiled1 wrote: »

An evil little b*xt*rd whose family continue to enjoy his ill gotten gains long after his demise.
CAB seem to only go after the little people.

That you Christy?

animaal · 02-10-2018 02:59PM

He was, and 12 years after his death is still is the personification of everything wrong with this country.

Corruption, greed, arrogance, disloyalty. And the fools voted for him in droves.

James Brown · 02-10-2018 03:06PM

applehunter wrote: »

Flawed character but he had a vision for Ireland.

I don't see anyone in Irish politics that compare now.

If by flawed you mean egotistical bully, crook, liar and treasonous, sure, flawed. Just because he was great at being an arseh*le, doesn't mean he should be admired.

Keyzer · 02-10-2018 03:47PM

Total and utter thieving bástard...

And he looked like a shít Bond villain.

harry Bailey esq · 02-10-2018 04:51PM

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

My favourite Haughey story is the one told by John Waters in Jiving at the Crossroads:

Hope he washed his bollix afterwards, I'd imagine his cock would have looked like he was riding a lady during the monthly invasion of the Russians.

dirtyden · 02-10-2018 06:31PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Under his leadership FF won enough votes in three elections to stay in power from 1997 to 2011. That is a record bettered only by Dev. So the people must have thought he was doing something right.

And after his leadership Fianna Fáil were absolutely decimated, as a direct result of the policies his governments implemented that crashed the country.

The defense of the likes of haughey and ahern always surprises me. People have very selective memories.

fryup · 03-10-2018 10:37AM

Charlie Haughey appealed to a certain section of the irish population because he represented a certain aspect of the irish character..the sneaky mischievous devious side of the irish make up

03-10-2018 08:38PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

A reminder:

The anger relates to the fact that he had a completely entitled and arrogant attitude to public service and felt he had an ingrained right to trade political favours for personal cash. He is completely unapologetic about any of this despite it coming out via the tribunals at great expense to the exchequer. He (and Haughey before him) was a stain on public life in this country, devaluing the offices he held and ultimately eroding faith in the democratic process. A selfish cretinous man.

Like I said, some of it I understand and some of it I don’t.

NasserShammaz · 03-10-2018 08:58PM

fryup wrote: »

Charlie Haughey appealed to a certain section of the irish population because he represented a certain aspect of the irish character..the sneaky mischievous devious side of the irish make up

the membership of FF then,

Loves_lorries · 03-10-2018 08:59PM

fryup wrote: »

Charlie Haughey appealed to a certain section of the irish population because he represented a certain aspect of the irish character..the sneaky mischievous devious side of the irish make up

Heard someone praise the man to high heaven today, there is a segment of the population who admired his crooked style.

NasserShammaz · 03-10-2018 09:03PM

Always get the he gave the pensioners the free bus pass.

bonzos · 03-10-2018 10:09PM

And Brain Lenihan Jr gave the first reading at CJH's funeral, the guy who stole from his late fathers medical fund...FF summed up in perfectly!

Sycamore Tree · 03-10-2018 10:22PM

fryup wrote: »

Charlie Haughey appealed to a certain section of the irish population because he represented a certain aspect of the irish character..the sneaky mischievous devious side of the irish make up

Correct.

He fostered a culture of corruption which grew quickly amongst the Gardaí and politicians.

up for anything · 03-10-2018 10:32PM

Someday I'll dance on his grave for my mother. I'll wait till Bertie dies and make a weekend of it between the two of them. Pair of robbing lying devious criminal cunts.

fryup · 04-10-2018 12:05AM

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Heard someone praise the man to high heaven today, there is a segment of the population who admired his crooked style.

and that segment still exist

e.g. Michael Lowry TD - North Tipp

the man is caught by the balls for tax avoidance and guess what..his vote goes up, unbelievable :rolleyes:

Danzy · 04-10-2018 12:13AM

The man was a cancer on Ireland by every measure.

Economically destructive as well.

Ulysses Gaze · 04-10-2018 12:47AM

up for anything wrote: »

Someday I'll dance on his grave for my mother. I'll wait till Bertie dies and make a weekend of it between the two of them. Pair of robbing lying devious criminal cunts.

I will visit Ahern's grave and piss on it.

whisky_galore · 04-10-2018 07:02AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I will visit Ahern's grave and piss on it.

Something not right about pissing on graves, disgusting, cowardly activity. It's not like they can hit back.

dxhound2005 · 04-10-2018 08:38AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Something not right about pissing on graves, disgusting, cowardly activity. It's not like they can hit back.

Bertie will have a good laugh if these people die before him.

NoviGlitzko · 04-10-2018 08:41AM

I'm guessing the people in this thread aren't fond of poor oul' Bono then.

Hotblack Desiato · 04-10-2018 03:38PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

I don't think we know the half of it with Haughey. I am sure that he was personally involved in the Heroin trade for example and he may have been responsible for having Veronica Guerin killed. He definitely had something to do with the Stardust disco tragedy.

Gemma is that you?

jmayo wrote: »

You can tell a lot about man by the people he surrounds himself with.
He had padraig flynn, ray burke, bertie ahern as close colleagues and promoted them to high office.

As in my sig:
The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him. - Machiavelli

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

My favourite Haughey story is the one told by John Waters in Jiving at the Crossroads:

Yer man was just tenderising the steak

Apart from the possibility of a stray pube what harm could it do, it's going into a hot pan so gets sterilised... he should have jacked off into the pepper sauce instead

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 04-10-2018 04:21PM

The insistence by his family that he be given a State funeral was a real kick in the teeth to the Irish people. They should have behaved with a bit of dignity and had a low key family funeral.

Charlie Haughey - Yay or Nay

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