Charlie Haughey - Yay or Nay

Creative83 · 01-10-2018 06:41PM #1

I think Charlie did some good for the country when he was in office... the IFSC project for example & his devotion to trying to find a way to solve the problems in Northern Ireland.

The free for all benefits he doled out did help an awful lot of people at the time (free travel for pensioners, medical cards like confetti for example) though these have bitten us in the ass now... they can't realistically be taken away from even the wealthiest in Irish society without political suicide.

But his corruption is where I personally draw the line. No matter how much good he did, I despise his legacy because of this.

So would you give him a pass on his good deeds or sink him on corruption alone?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-10-2018 06:44PM

Creative83 wrote: »

I think Charlie did some good for the country when he was in office... the IFSC project for example & his devotion to trying to find a way to solve the problems in Northern Ireland.

The free for all benefits he doled out did help an awful lot of people at the time (free travel for pensioners, medical cards like confetti for example) though these have bitten us in the ass now... they can't realistically be taken away from even the wealthiest in Irish society without political suicide.

But his corruption is where I personally draw the line. No matter how much good he did, I despise his legacy because of this.

So would you give him a pass on his good deeds or sink him on corruption alone?

Nope, sorry. It'll just encourage his succesors.

Zebra3 · 01-10-2018 06:47PM

He was a criminal and should have gone to jail.

zapitastas · 01-10-2018 06:48PM

Creative83 wrote: »

I think Charlie did some good for the country when he was in office... the IFSC project for example & his devotion to trying to find a way to solve the problems in Northern Ireland.

The free for all benefits he doled out did help an awful lot of people at the time (free travel for pensioners, medical cards like confetti for example) though these have bitten us in the ass now... they can't realistically be taken away from even the wealthiest in Irish society without political suicide.

But his corruption is where I personally draw the line. No matter how much good he did, I despise his legacy because of this.

So would you give him a pass on his good deeds or sink him on corruption alone?

Was he devoted to solving the problems in the north? Can't think of much that he accomplished in relation to this, save for using his faux nationalism to garner votes

Mr. Incognito · 01-10-2018 06:52PM

He was the poster child for modern cryonism.

He tied to oust the leader of the party with a Coup.

He had Bertie signing blank cheque books for him.

His practice of give away budgets for politically expediency has done untold damage

His cynacism knew no bounds.

He took credit for the hard work of others.

He was corrupt and everyone knew it which legitimised it.

It will take many many generations to fix.

In Iceland they jailed the politicians and the bankers. Here they retired and protected them.

Thats his legacy.

Creative83 · 01-10-2018 06:56PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

He was a criminal and should have gone to jail.

Absolutely, he should have been held accountable!

Just curious about your sig which says watch Israels terrorists in action or something.

Have you any link also for Hezbollah or the PLO? Is it just a one way street?

Just asking, that's all

Odelay · 01-10-2018 06:57PM

The only good he wanted to do was for himself.

Junkyard Tom · 01-10-2018 07:04PM

He invented the term 'helicopter parent'.

Atoms for Peace · 01-10-2018 07:12PM

He turned the troubles up to eleven! Maybe read up on the arm's trial, he was involved in bringing in arms which lead to the split in the IRA and creation of the PIRA.
This was a handy distraction for left wing elements while feeding his nationalist demagoguery.

Zebra3 · 01-10-2018 07:35PM

Creative83 wrote: »

Absolutely, he should have been held accountable!

Just curious about your sig which says watch Israels terrorists in action or something.

Have you any link also for Hezbollah or the PLO? Is it just a one way street?

Just asking, that's all

People defending their homeland from foreign colonisation are not terrorists.

01-10-2018 07:54PM

He did the legacy of Machiavelli proud.

Church on Tuesday · 01-10-2018 07:55PM

The man was morally bankrupt and he was also a hypocrite.

He tried to curry favor with the people by throwing out all that the OP has mentioned already to the general public and it worked for a while until he was later found out.

Leave aside that the fact that he's a lightning rod and ogre for the Blueshirts, Haughey ultimately only really cared about Haughey.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 01-10-2018 08:05PM

I'm 38, growing up in the 80s the man had presence, even through a dodgy 20 inch crt tv with rabbit ears reception, even when I didn't know who or what he was or did, he was certainly a charismatic man and I can see why people voted for him.

Those closest to him either went along with him or went against him, like Dessie O'Malley. Plenty rode his coat tails.

Yeah, he was a scumbag who should have went to jail probably, but I'm of the firm belief that nothing actually gets done in a democracy without a few wheels being greased along the way.

gifted · 01-10-2018 08:10PM

Josephine Greasy Greyhound wrote: »

I'm 38, growing up in the 80s the man had presence, even through a dodgy 20 inch crt tv with rabbit ears reception, even when I didn't know who or what he was or did, he was certainly a charismatic man and I can see why people voted for him.

Those closest to him either went along with him or went against him, like Dessie O'Malley. Plenty rode his coat tails.

Yeah, he was a scumbag who should have went to jail probably, but I'm of the firm belief that nothing actually gets done in a democracy without a few wheels being greased along the way.

To be fair ....he did more than just grease a few wheels..lol lol

Ulysses Gaze · 01-10-2018 08:23PM

A complete, corrupt scumbag who deserves nothing but contempt from everyone.

Anyone honouring, or trying to exonerate, make excuses or try and lessen the scumbagery of the corrupt Haughey, deserves the same level of contempt levelled at them.

mikemac2 · 01-10-2018 08:25PM

Arise and follow Charlie

Dammit he had a catchy jingle

The Presidental candidates need one of these

James Brown · 01-10-2018 08:30PM

Creative83 wrote: »

I think Charlie did some good for the country when he was in office... the IFSC project for example & his devotion to trying to find a way to solve the problems in Northern Ireland.

The free for all benefits he doled out did help an awful lot of people at the time (free travel for pensioners, medical cards like confetti for example) though these have bitten us in the ass now... they can't realistically be taken away from even the wealthiest in Irish society without political suicide.

But his corruption is where I personally draw the line. No matter how much good he did, I despise his legacy because of this.

So would you give him a pass on his good deeds or sink him on corruption alone?

The misery, the suicides, the ruined lives, no, sorry.
Him and his came first. His family should have been put out on the street and his state funeral an apology to the Irish people on behalf of Fianna Fail.

dxhound2005 · 01-10-2018 08:31PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

He was the poster child for modern cryonism.

He tied to oust the leader of the party with a Coup.

He had Bertie signing blank cheque books for him.

His practice of give away budgets for politically expediency has done untold damage

His cynacism knew no bounds.

He took credit for the hard work of others.

He was corrupt and everyone knew it which legitimised it.

It will take many many generations to fix.

In Iceland they jailed the politicians and the bankers. Here they retired and protected them.

Thats his legacy.

It has taken a couple of generations to partially fix. But Haughey did not cause the mayhem. That was Jack Lynch with the 1977 election manifesto, which got the biggest ever majority in the history of the state. Abolishing property tax and motor tax was very popular with the voting public, but it ruined the funding base for local government. It wasn't too much later that surprise surprise hundreds of thousands were marching against 60% income tax for average workers.

If the system we shared with the North had been left in place, we could still have local councils collecting the bins, and water partially paid for from property tax. It would have to be set at a level in line with NI property tax, but all the nonsense since 1977 could have been avoided. Haughey did nothing to address the matter, but I don't blame him for the original sin.

James Brown · 01-10-2018 08:34PM

Josephine Greasy Greyhound wrote: »

I'm 38, growing up in the 80s the man had presence, even through a dodgy 20 inch crt tv with rabbit ears reception, even when I didn't know who or what he was or did, he was certainly a charismatic man and I can see why people voted for him.

Those closest to him either went along with him or went against him, like Dessie O'Malley. Plenty rode his coat tails.

Yeah, he was a scumbag who should have went to jail probably, but I'm of the firm belief that nothing actually gets done in a democracy without a few wheels being greased along the way.

That's why we'll always have Fianna Fail like a cancer.
He didn't need rip off the country to get policies through, give me a break. He was dirt.

NasserShammaz · 01-10-2018 08:38PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A complete, corrupt scumbag who deserves nothing but contempt from everyone.

Anyone honouring, or trying to exonerate, make excuses or try and lessen the scumbagery of the corrupt Haughey, deserves the same level of contempt levelled at them.

yep sounds fair enough

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 01-10-2018 08:45PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's why we'll always have Fianna Fail like a cancer.
He didn't need rip off the country to get policies through, give me a break. He was dirt.

show me a modern democracy that didn't start of as, or continues to be, a den of curruption. The republic is less than a hundred years old.

NasserShammaz · 01-10-2018 08:53PM

"we're livin beyond our means" says the fella who's getting his shirts handmade in France and owns a f*ckin Island. Look up shyster in the dictionary and there will be a picture of Charlie

MonkieSocks · 01-10-2018 08:58PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

He was a criminal and should have gone to jail.

And Not pass Go and Not collect €200."

dxhound2005 · 01-10-2018 09:02PM

Josephine Greasy Greyhound wrote: »

show me a modern democracy that didn't start of as, or continues to be, a den of curruption.

New Zealand.

01-10-2018 09:20PM

I know there's still a lot of anger with Bertie- some of it I understand, some of it I don't;- Haughey was many times worse than Bertie ever was.

NasserShammaz · 01-10-2018 09:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know there's still a lot of anger with Bertie- some of it I understand, some of it I don't;- Haughey was many times worse than Bertie ever was.

he was the son he really wanted

01-10-2018 09:26PM

NasserShammaz wrote: »

he was the son he really wanted

"the most skilful, the most devious, and the most cunning of them all." as Haughey aledegely said.

endacl · 01-10-2018 09:36PM

Nay! Nay as fcuk.

Prick.

Hector Bellend · 01-10-2018 09:39PM

I cant name one good thing he ever did for Ireland.

If anyone mentions free travel for the over 65's that doesnt count

Ohmeha · 01-10-2018 09:54PM

He was a crook, though I'd rather to forget about him and focus on the living FF/FG crooks we currently have wrecking our country again

Jimmy. · 01-10-2018 09:57PM

He rode all round him.

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