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Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Good.


    How is it good? Their incompetence is costing the State far more in just one week alone than the woman in question or her children will cost the State in their lifetimes -


    The total of Public Expenditure on Homeless Service Provision in 2016 was €96, 254,326 million.


    Had a feeling that had to be a misprint, they’re that incompetent :pac:

    The funding estimate for homeless service provision in 2017 is estimated at €120 million. This forms part of Dublin City Council's adopted budget for 2017. We adhere to the Public Spending Code whereby all Irish public bodies are obliged to treat public funds with care, and to ensure that the best possible value-for-money is obtained whenever public money is being spent or invested.

    Source: DHRE funding


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    The only difference being that she actually didn’t settle for what she had and quite rightly she went about fighting for more. There’s absolutely no reason in the world anyone here complaining about her couldn’t do exactly the same thing as she has done, and they have numerous advantages over her already in terms of opportunities to do it.

    Do you even read half the ****e you post? You've no idea where I started in life, what I've settled for or even if I've settled for it yet. And if you believe what she's doing is the right way to provide a better life for her and her kids then you're as bad as she is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Housing her and her family isn’t my problem, it’s the responsibility of the DHRE to see that she and her family are housed in suitable accommodation, something which they have apparently failed to be able to do so far.

    What are her responsibilities?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Do you even read half the ****e you post? You've no idea where I started in life, what I've settled for or even if I've settled for it yet. And if you believe what she's doing is the right way to provide a better life for her and her kids then you're as bad as she is.


    You’re the person referring to yourself as a gobshìte. Far be it for me to contradict you on that score, and quite frankly I don’t care where you started from, it’s where you are now that you’re giving it welly because you don’t like the fact that you feel you’re working to pay for someone else’s lifestyle.

    I’ve already stated early on in the thread that I don’t agree with what she’s doing, but I don’t expect her to care that I don’t agree with what she’s doing either as her priority is herself and her family, as you can be rest assured anyone else’s priority is themselves and their families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Rodin wrote: »
    What are her responsibilities?


    Her responsibility and duty of care towards her children as their parent is one of the first legal responsibilities she has anyway. There are others which may or may not apply but without knowing her entire circumstances I would only be speculating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Many of these Facebook entitled warriors are just laughing their socks off at those who pay for their lifestyles, is this true or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Housing her and her family isn’t my problem, it’s the responsibility of the DHRE to see that she and her family are housed in suitable accommodation, something which they have apparently failed to be able to do so far.

    I think you will find that this woman has been housed several times already over the years,with a certain lack of clarity surrounding the circumstances in which she left the others.

    Currently,the DHRE is,yet again,fulfilling it's legal responsibility to provide shelter for this family.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Site Banned Posts: 386 ✭✭Jimmy.


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I think you will find that this woman has been housed several times already over the years,with a certain lack of clarity surrounding the circumstances in which she left the others.

    Currently,the DHRE is,yet again,fulfilling it's legal responsibility to provide shelter for this family.

    She probably wrecked the other ones. Regular occurrence we see too often.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I think you will find that this woman has been housed several times already over the years,with a certain lack of clarity surrounding the circumstances in which she left the others.

    Currently,the DHRE is,yet again,fulfilling it's legal responsibility to provide shelter for this family.


    I did say suitable accommodation, and if she and her family have had to be housed several times already over the years that would suggest to me that the accommodation she is being housed in continues to be unsuitable. While it is certainly true that the DHRE is fulfilling it’s legal responsibility to provide shelter for this family, it would be untrue in my opinion at least to suggest that they are providing value for the funding they are receiving from the State to provide the services to an appropriate standard which they claim to be providing.

    Their performance clearly is not of the standard which they claim to adhere to, which to be frank, doesn’t come as a surprise, as it’s not coming out of their own pockets -

    We adhere to the Public Spending Code whereby all Irish public bodies are obliged to treat public funds with care, and to ensure that the best possible value-for-money is obtained whenever public money is being spent or invested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Yes, unsuitable in that’s not a 4 bedroom forever house?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,793 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    What. A. Cretin. This ****e needs to be nipped in the bud by the state. Setting a dangerous precedent if they pander to her. Put her and the kids on food stamps and certainly dont give her a free house. That is all.

    In the end she will get what she wants to go away.


    food stamps are unlikely to be viable as they could potentially be swapped for cash on the black market.
    no but I wasn’t happy when I had to commute from Offaly to Dublin 5 days a week for work either, but ya know. Bills.

    you commuting to work, for which you will have got enough to make it worth while doing, is not comparible to someone living in 1 part of the city and then having to bring their children very far for school, in my view.
    Child benefit only given back to parents in tax credits. Don’t work, don’t get anything. Ideally. Given this country is too left, cutting child benefit after second child is more realistic.

    Put peoples taxes to good use. If you contribute (even working just 8 hours a week) then you reap the public services. Reduced medical fees, reduced prescriptions, provide children with a breakfast and a hot meal in school, subsidized child care. Don’t pay anything? Pay full price. You don’t get to stand with your hand out reaping everyone else’s contributions.

    Provisions should be made for those genuinely incapable of any type work due to disability or their advanced years.

    Put the children first, if their parents are not fit to provide adequate care then they should be placed in homes that their needs are met. Stop allowing parents use human beings as bargaining chips.

    having those who aren't working paying full price when they can't afford to pay full price is unworkable as it means genuinely vunerable are highly likely to suffer and fall through the cracks.
    genuinely unfit parents are already dealt with by the authorities. the reality is that most of the parents like miss cash are fit to look after their children. they raise them in a way we don't agree with sure, but considering every individual will have a different idea on how a child should be raised, i'd suggest it's just not possible to design a system around what each individual person thinks is an unfit parent, rather it has to be designed around cases where it is absolute that a parent is a danger to their children.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,793 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Would I be happy getting a house for nothing? Absolutely.

    Would I be happy having a house in Drumcondra that I paid nothing for? Absolutely.

    Do you know what I'd do if I wasn't happy? I'd get off my arse and do something about it myself. I wouldn't expect everything to be just handed to me on a silver plate.

    I'd a 14km bus journey to school every day, on a transport service down the country that was a lot worse than whats available in Dublin. When my kids are going to school they'll have the exact same journey to make. I'm not going to sit and bitch all day that their school is too far away and expect someone to give me a different house.


    miss cash isn't getting a house for nothing, she will be paying for that house. she will be paying rent at a below market rate, which will be partly subsidized by the state. this is due to her income.
    in rural areas, schools will often be a bit away for some people, therefore it's not comparible to how far schools in towns and cities should be from the residents of those areas.
    tretorn wrote: »
    Okay then.

    .We will give you ten thousand euros for every year until you have reached the age of thirty without having a baby and after you are thirty we will give you twenty thousand euros if you agree to be sterilised.

    There are very few obstreticians who would have a quandary about permanently sterilising someone who has no job, no home, no savings and who has seven or eight children.


    i presume you have asked all of the obstetricians in the country their view on that idea, to come to this conclusion?
    tretorn wrote: »
    The Cashes of this world want everything for nothing though so if you give them the child benefit without them having to produce a child they may go for it. It is a lot cheaper to pay them not to have children than it is to supply house after house to these big clans


    The children have to be looked after but we could use food vouchers and clothes vouchers. We would need to make sure these vouchers couldnt be traded in for cash to be spent at the off licence.

    My friend works in a supermarket, she says you wouldnt believe the carry on of the travellers. The men send the teens in to rob crisps and while the security staff respond to this the adult males lift cart loads of alcohol and just walk out the door, this goes on all the time.

    i'd think that to both set up your voucher system and then police it sufficiently to insure they could never be traded for cash would cost so much that the whole thing would be unviable. but that's a guess on my part.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,575 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    miss cash isn't getting a house for nothing, she will be paying for that house. she will be paying rent at a below market rate, which will be partly subsidized by the state. this is due to her income.

    Where does Miss Cash get her cash from to pay her rent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭NeitherJohn


    Where does Miss Cash get her cash from to pay her rent?


    Don't bother. EOTR never answers this question. Ever.

    Well, tickle me pink


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,793 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Where does Miss Cash get her cash from to pay her rent?

    she will be getting some of it from the state and will have to pay the rest herself. now whether that comes from other benefits she may get or whether it's cash she gets herself isn't something i'm unable to say as i don't know.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    The problem is some of us are paying for it. She is taking it from me and the people who work for a living. She and her like are dragging the rest of us out of prosperity and into a **** pit of an existence. That’s what I give a ****e about. You’re probably some minimum wage punk who has fcuk all to lose and everything to gain by encouraging like behavior.


    The problem is actually that public funds are wasted on outsourcing and administration and whatever is left is then used to provide an inadequate service to ‘service users’ (fancy term for people who are homeless).

    The woman in question in this particular case isn’t taking anything from you or I personally, nor is she and her like dragging you or I out of prosperity, and I don’t know about you but I’m not in a shìt pit of an existence nor would I ever claim to be. If you are, then you may be entitled to avail of services to get you out of the shìt pit, as is anyone else who qualifies for any assistance they receive from the State.

    To that end, it doesn’t matter how much I earn, or how much I pay in tax, it doesn’t matter how much you earn or how much you pay in tax either. We’d be paying it anyway regardless of how many people there were like the woman in question in this particular case, because most of it isn’t going to provide for services, it’s going to provide for salaries, and they aren’t minimum wage punks either. Why even hire minimum wage punks when there are all sorts various Government employment schemes that service providers can avail of to meet their staffing requirements that cost them nothing?

    In fact the only thing you got right in that post is that I have nothing to lose by the woman in question in this particular case carrying on as she does. That’s not to say I approve of either her attitude or her behaviour, but certainly I can understand what has driven her to the point where she chose to take matters into her own hands rather than continue to be dependent upon service providers who continue to provide a sub-standard service funded by the State.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    she will be getting some of it from the state and will have to pay the rest herself.

    Rent seems to optional to many local authorities ,
    70 million in rents owed would suggest a lot of people have actually free housing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I did say suitable accommodation, and if she and her family have had to be housed several times already over the years that would suggest to me that the accommodation she is being housed in continues to be unsuitable.

    She was evicted multiple times , several house she lived In were wrecked but they were fine when her and her family moved in ,
    She even owns her own mobile home don't talk about that either ,she owns a car but people are moaning because she might have to get a bus or occasional Luas ,

    But let's keep blaming everyone but her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Gatling wrote: »
    She was evicted multiple times , several house she lived In were wrecked but they were fine when her and her family moved in ,

    But let's keep blaming everyone but her


    No, let’s put the blame squarely where it belongs - on the people who continue to provide unsuitable accommodation for people who continue to be housed in unsuitable accommodation. They are responsible for putting her in accommodation which is unsuitable for her and her family, and they are responsible for ensuring that the accommodation and services they provide for her and her family are suitable so that she isn’t constantly being evicted and wrecking the accommodation she is being placed in. She and her family are their responsibility. It’s up to the service provider to provide services which are appropriate for the needs of their service users. That’s what the State are funding them for!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    No, let’s put the blame squarely where it belongs - on the people who continue to provide unsuitable accommodation for people who continue to be housed in unsuitable accommodation. They are responsible for putting her in accommodation which is unsuitable for her and her family, and they are responsible for ensuring that the accommodation and services they provide for her and her family are suitable so that she isn’t constantly being evicted and wrecking the accommodation she is being placed in. She and her family are their responsibility. It’s up to the service provider to provide services which are appropriate for the needs of their service users. That’s what the State are funding them for!


    You must be some clown if you believe what you say there !!! Cash gets evicted cause she and her offspring trash places they’re put because they have no respect. She must be a bad one when the halting sites from where she came from won’t have her !!

    I really hope she’s put next door to where you live .. you’ll get on great I’d say


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,138 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    No, let’s put the blame squarely where it belongs - on the people who continue to provide unsuitable accommodation for people who continue to be housed in unsuitable accommodation. They are responsible for putting her in accommodation which is unsuitable for her and her family, and they are responsible for ensuring that the accommodation and services they provide for her and her family are suitable so that she isn’t constantly being evicted and wrecking the accommodation she is being placed in. She and her family are their responsibility. It’s up to the service provider to provide services which are appropriate for the needs of their service users. That’s what the State are funding them for!

    I'm sure the accommodation was suitable at the time, but when someone with no income other than state handouts constantly increases the size of their family, then their current accommodation becomes unsuitable.

    At that point it's their responsibility to better their own situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Melendez wrote: »

    her husband torturing old ladies husband

    her turning down permanent accommodation too far from her mother (who is dead) when she only ever turned down overnight accommodation.

    But don't let facts get in the way


    Fact


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    Melendez wrote: »
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    I personally heard her with my own two ears belittling the apartment she was given, and complaining about the B and B. Her husband was in state care in clover hill too. It’s pretty hard to get locked up in this country.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    I personally heard her with my own two ears belittling the apartment she was given, and complaining about the B and B. Her husband was in state care in clover hill too. It’s pretty hard to get locked up in this country.

    But thank God he achieved it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    She’s there on Facebook complaining about traveller kids that were taken off their parents because authorities realized they couldn’t read. I clicked in on the comments and I’m shocked at all the people who think illiteracy is no big deal. Those poor little kids don’t stand a chance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    This is an absolute car crash of a thread. After Hours has a far more lax approach to moderation however the lies, hyperbole and the ridiculous attempts to say the most outlandish crap is unreal. Cash does herself no favours, but this thread is beyond a discussion at this stage it is just an excuse to incite hatred . Even fact is cast aside.Cash maybe an unpleasant person but she shares that trait with alot of the posters here. At least the comments towards her children in the most part have stopped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    This is an absolute car crash of a thread. After Hours has a far more lax approach to moderation.

    Sure don't we have plenty of back seat mods


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


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