Violence in the GAA

Fingal Raven1 · 25-09-2018 1:09pm #1

This is a thread to log all outbreaks of violence in the GAA

Hopefully by shining a light on it either the GAA or police will get involved

https://twitter.com/irishnewssport/status/1043590273719242752

Shocked to see this, police should get involved?

howiya · 25-09-2018 1:24pm

What do you define as an outbreak of violence?

One player hitting another player or does it need to be a mass brawl?

Fingal Raven1 · 25-09-2018 1:26pm

howiya wrote: »

What do you define as an outbreak of violence?

One player hitting another player or does it need to be a mass brawl?

id say both now to be honest

howiya · 25-09-2018 1:30pm

Fingal Raven1 wrote: »

id say both now to be honest

So you're going to log every incident of players being sent off for striking? Can't see this thread lasting too long

Fingal Raven1 · 25-09-2018 1:31pm

howiya wrote: »

So you're going to log every incident of players being sent off for striking? Can't see this thread lasting too long

ill decide based on the seriousness of the injury

stooge · 25-09-2018 1:39pm

No harm having a thread on this. Highlights the issue, no point denying it or burying your head in the sand pretending it doesnt occur.

The_Kew_Tour · 25-09-2018 2:23pm

The GAA has a huge problem with Violence but like the Church would rather it covered up and pretend it's all OK

djPSB · 25-09-2018 11:06pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The GAA has a huge problem with Violence but like the Church would rather it covered up and pretend it's all OK

Hardly fair to compare the GAA to an organisation that covers up paedophilia.

TCM · 25-09-2018 11:19pm

It's a man's game.

Fingal Raven1 · 26-09-2018 8:52am

TCM wrote: »

It's a man's game.

Apart from when we plat the aussies:mad:

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-09-2018 9:06am

Moy aren't letting the Tyrone county board brush this one under the rug so easily anyway.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0925/998096-moy-sean-cavanagh/

Hammer Archer · 26-09-2018 9:55am

Fingal Raven1 wrote: »

Apart from when we plat the aussies:mad:

Have you seen the most recent International Rules games? GAA players are well able to mix it physically with Aussie Rules players nowadays.

Fingal Raven1 · 26-09-2018 10:20am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Have you seen the most recent International Rules games? GAA players are well able to mix it physically with Aussie Rules players nowadays.

not too sure about that tbh, the aussies were told to tone it down

The_Kew_Tour · 26-09-2018 11:05am

djPSB wrote: »

Hardly fair to compare the GAA to an organisation that covers up paedophilia.

It's different but it's still Violence and thuggery and if you saw people do it down the street you call them scum.

Man's game my arse.

Nothing wrong with being tough and physical it's another to be a scumbag

Jerichoholic · 26-09-2018 11:07am

djPSB wrote: »

Hardly fair to compare the GAA to an organisation that covers up paedophilia.

GAA have never covered up anything like that before?

LOL

LoughNeagh2017 · 28-09-2018 9:56pm

There has always been brawls in Derry football, even in the 90s the youth teams would have brawls, Greenlough are usually an Intermediate club who nearly beat a big 1st Division club so it was always going to end in a brawl.

I can even remember a few brawls in youth training sessions with the team mates, the best youth player in my club moved to another club because of a fight.

Hammer Archer · 28-09-2018 10:16pm

OP this is a discussion forum, not a place to dump links.

Amprodude · 29-09-2018 2:15am

TCM wrote: »

It's a man's game.

not when the Aussies play us.

Amprodude · 29-09-2018 2:17am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Have you seen the most recent International Rules games? GAA players are well able to mix it physically with Aussie Rules players nowadays.

are you kidding me? They would destroy the Irish players for physical strength. Any time the Irish players try that on the Aussies they get hockeyed. You know that well enough.

Ash.J.Williams · 29-09-2018 2:35am

Fingal Raven1 wrote: »

This is a thread to log all outbreaks of violence in the GAA

Hopefully by shining a light on it either the GAA or police will get involved

https://twitter.com/irishnewssport/status/1043590273719242752

Shocked to see this, police should get involved?

that's a classic GAA fat f***er in slacks and jumper running in for the belly and elbow slap from the sideline!

stooge · 08-10-2018 12:15pm

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1008/1001682-mass-brawl-involving-players-fans-mars-down-gaa-match/

big_drive · 08-10-2018 12:29pm

is there more violence or is it just shared more due to social media?

Bonniedog · 08-10-2018 4:22pm

stooge wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1008/1001682-mass-brawl-involving-players-fans-mars-down-gaa-match/

Funniest/saddest part is the number 20 in the stripey jersey standing in the foreground with two other chaps, while everyone else is making a show of themselves.

They will probably be slagged for "letting their mates down" while in actual fact they were among the rare vestiges of sanity and civilized behaviour. Fair play to them.

Felexicon · 08-10-2018 6:16pm

big_drive wrote: »

is there more violence or is it just shared more due to social media?

Does it matter? The fact is it is unacceptable and needs to be stamped out of the game.
If a brawl like the one in the OP happened in a LOI or AIL game you wouldn't be able to avoid it on TV, radio or print but it is widely accepted as part of the game in GAA.
Sure most pre match team talks include a "and remember lads it's 1 in all in. No backing down" bollox.

Powerhouse · 08-10-2018 6:57pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Sure most pre match team talks include a "and remember lads it's 1 in all in. No backing down" bollox.

You’re trying too hard I think. I played in a lot of matches over the years and never even once heard something like this being said in a team talk. Not saying it doesn’t happen but the idea that “most pre match team talks” include it is laughable.

djPSB · 08-10-2018 7:39pm

People need to realise that assaulting someone on a pitch is the exact same as assaulting someone on the street. You are just as accountable for your actions and open to prosecution and civil claims.

Felexicon · 08-10-2018 9:21pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

Felexicon wrote: »

Sure most pre match team talks include a "and remember lads it's 1 in all in. No backing down" bollox.

You’re trying too hard I think. I played in a lot of matches over the years and never even once heard something like this being said in a team talk. Not saying it doesn’t happen but the idea that “most pre match team talks” include it is laughable.

Maybe just managers I've encountered so.

Grueller · 08-10-2018 9:45pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Does it matter? The fact is it is unacceptable and needs to be stamped out of the game.
If a brawl like the one in the OP happened in a LOI or AIL game you wouldn't be able to avoid it on TV, radio or print but it is widely accepted as part of the game in GAA.
Sure most pre match team talks include a "and remember lads it's 1 in all in. No backing down" bollox.

I played the games for over 30 years at all levels and I never heard the one in all in speech. You are talking sh1te saying that is in "most pre match team talks".

Sterling Archer · 09-10-2018 10:30am

Compulsory competition expulsion for any team involved in a mass brawl, that's stamp it out fairly quickly

A mass brawl meaning 6 or more players as upto 6 is typically just pushing and shoving..

The exception being one team who clearly instigate violence.

theoneeyedman · 09-10-2018 10:37am

big_drive wrote: »

is there more violence or is it just shared more due to social media?

... and hyped up by clickbait sites like Joe and the Indo with sensational headlines : 'MASS VIOLENCE' TERRIBLE SCENES''WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN'.... CLICK HERE FOR MORE!!

Most of these are handbags. The fact that they happen is obviously wrong, and they should be investigated and acted on, but spare us the handwringing please.

big_drive · 09-10-2018 10:37am

Felexicon wrote: »

Does it matter? The fact is it is unacceptable and needs to be stamped out of the game.
If a brawl like the one in the OP happened in a LOI or AIL game you wouldn't be able to avoid it on TV, radio or print but it is widely accepted as part of the game in GAA.
Sure most pre match team talks include a "and remember lads it's 1 in all in. No backing down" bollox.

It matters to the point of evaluating is the problem getting worse or is it the same as it always has been. I'm not saying there isn't an issue. I'm just wondering has it always been the same but we just weren't as aware of it going on

Felexicon · 09-10-2018 11:17am

big_drive wrote: »

It matters to the point of evaluating is the problem getting worse or is it the same as it always has been. I'm not saying there isn't an issue. I'm just wondering has it always been the same but we just weren't as aware of it going on

Like anything we are just more aware now.

Edgware · 09-10-2018 1:51pm

How many times have we seen subs coming on and the first thing they do is start throwing digs?
We had it in our club and our player suffered a broken nose and cheekbone.
The club management decided enough was enough and a complaint was made to the Guards. The assailant ended up in the circuit court, pleaded guilty and got a two year suspended sentence and a conviction on his record.
From that day on at all grades we never had any ****e trom that club again

Fingal Raven1 · 09-10-2018 1:52pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

... and hyped up by clickbait sites like Joe and the Indo with sensational headlines : 'MASS VIOLENCE' TERRIBLE SCENES''WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN'.... CLICK HERE FOR MORE!!

Most of these are handbags. The fact that they happen is obviously wrong, and they should be investigated and acted on, but spare us the handwringing please.

I have to say that this is a terrible attitude

The Lost Sheep · 09-10-2018 5:26pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

... and hyped up by clickbait sites like Joe and the Indo with sensational headlines : 'MASS VIOLENCE' TERRIBLE SCENES''WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN'.... CLICK HERE FOR MORE!!

Most of these are handbags. The fact that they happen is obviously wrong, and they should be investigated and acted on, but spare us the handwringing please.

Thats a terrible attitude and is just head in the sand stuff.
There is clearly issues and while most incidents are handbags many are not and to stop the serious stuff from happening as much you have to kill the handbags incidenents. And no the comments are not at all handwringing

Edgware wrote: »

How many times have we seen subs coming on and the first thing they do is start throwing digs?
We had it in our club and our player suffered a broken nose and cheekbone.
The club management decided enough was enough and a complaint was made to the Guards. The assailant ended up in the circuit court, pleaded guilty and got a two year suspended sentence and a conviction on his record.
From that day on at all grades we never had any ****e trom that club again

Fair play. Not enough clubs go to the nuclear step of including the guards for some incidents.

Edgware · 09-10-2018 7:10pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Thats a terrible attitude and is just head in the sand stuff.
There is clearly issues and while most incidents are handbags many are not and to stop the serious stuff from happening as much you have to kill the handbags incidenents. And no the comments are not at all handwringing

Fair play. Not enough clubs go to the nuclear step of including the guards for some incidents.

These were serious injuries on the face of a young man starting off his employment career.
If it happened on the street you could face a jail sentence

irishgeo · 09-10-2018 9:07pm

money lads, hit the clubs where it hurts, proper fines, or perhaps a cut in funding from HQ and banned from all competitions.

Soon stamp out the ****e

castletownman · 09-10-2018 9:14pm

There was a good debate on the matter on Off the Ball this evening. A hugely salient point was made by Enda McGinley that is touched upon on by a poster above ^. Basically the punishments need to be so severe so as to be a deterrent for future offences.

I know in my own county Wexford a recent mass brawl in an under-15 (I think) county semi-final led to one of the offending teams being thrown out of the championship. No questions asked. No appeals. Age grade may have come to an end for some of the final year players on the team, but it should learn them a lesson in the future. Another player who blindsided a referee in a junior B district final earlier in the year received a 96 week ban.

One of the contributors mentioned that in Derry (again open to correction, but certainly one of the Ulster counties), there was video footage of a player striking a referee. Clear as day. But the club refused to accept the proposed suspension and appealed.

Another point was made that GAA needs to be marketed better. I hate that term sneaking into sport but it makes sense. It's always painted as parish vs parish, family vs family etc when it should be remembered that everyone is playing a game that they fell in love with. Should be less parochial and insular.....

Powerhouse · 09-10-2018 9:25pm

djPSB wrote: »

People need to realise that assaulting someone on a pitch is the exact same as assaulting someone on the street. You are just as accountable for your actions and open to prosecution and civil claims.

I wouldn't argue the broader point but there are a lot of actions on the field of play in many field sports which if replicated 'on the street' would result in criminal prosecution but are considered part and parcel of the game. So it seems there is a distinction. The definition of 'assault' between the pitch and street does seem to differ.

Take for example Diarmuid O'Sulllivan's celebrated challenge in the Limerick player about 20 years ago. Try that on the street and you'll have a case to answer. Do it on the pitch and you're a great fellow.

Powerhouse · 09-10-2018 9:27pm

castletownman wrote: »

I know in my own county Wexford a recent mass brawl in an under-15 (I think) county semi-final led to one of the offending teams being thrown out of the championship. No questions asked. No appeals.

I don't get the 'no questions asked' and 'no appeals' bit. How can someone's right to appeal be denied?

zetecescort · 09-10-2018 9:34pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

I don't get the 'no questions asked' and 'no appeals' bit. How can someone's right to appeal be denied?

Think he means the team thrown out accepted their punishment with out appealing it or looking for loop holes

bruschi · 10-10-2018 8:29am

[QUOTE=castletownman;108308533
I know in my own county Wexford a recent mass brawl in an under-15 (I think) county semi-final led to one of the offending teams being thrown out of the championship. No questions asked. No appeals. Age grade may have come to an end for some of the final year players on the team, but it should learn them a lesson in the future. [/QUOTE]

What you have described there is completely and totally incorrect. You are incorrect in what you have described as a mass brawl, which did not happen, and you are incorrect that no appeal was lodged. If you do not know exact details of what happened in an underage fixture disciplinary set up, then I'd advise not to be spreading mistruths in public settings about it.

castletownman · 10-10-2018 10:56am

bruschi wrote: »

What you have described there is completely and totally incorrect. You are incorrect in what you have described as a mass brawl, which did not happen, and you are incorrect that no appeal was lodged. If you do not know exact details of what happened in an underage fixture disciplinary set up, then I'd advise not to be spreading mistruths in public settings about it.

I done the courtesy of googling said incident appalled that I was completely and totally incorrect. And the only facts that were wrong were that it was a county quarter-final, and that it was described in the report as a 'melee and incursion from the sideline' (code word for Daddy's getting involved). According to quotes from the underage chairman, an appeal (regarding expulsion and €500 fine) was lodged which I genuinely wasn't aware of, although they weren't appealing the twelve-week suspension to one of their members.

But your steadfast denial makes me think that perhaps you had a horse in this particular race, and your staunch defence of it (as presumably a grown adult) is kind of indicative of the problem in and of itself.

bruschi · 10-10-2018 12:52pm

castletownman wrote: »

I done the courtesy of googling said incident appalled that I was completely and totally incorrect. And the only facts that were wrong were that it was a county quarter-final, and that it was described in the report as a 'melee and incursion from the sideline' (code word for Daddy's getting involved). According to quotes from the underage chairman, an appeal (regarding expulsion and €500 fine) was lodged which I genuinely wasn't aware of, although they weren't appealing the twelve-week suspension to one of their members.

But your steadfast denial makes me think that perhaps you had a horse in this particular race, and your staunch defence of it (as presumably a grown adult) is kind of indicative of the problem in and of itself.

This is a continuing issue, so wont comment much further. There was no mass brawl. The team thrown out had a player end up in hospital and their opponents player issued a red card for the incident. There was an appeal. so my initial statement is right, there was no mass brawl as you claimed, there was an appeal, which you claimed there wasnt, and there is still questions being asked about it, which is where I'll end it now. There is a lot, lot more to this than your initial comment of a mass brawl which the team should learn from.

dirkmeister · 10-10-2018 9:53pm

The lads in Laois are showing themselves up to be right big men going by the snapchat screenshots.

SAMTALK · 11-10-2018 9:43am

dirkmeister wrote: »

The lads in Laois are showing themselves up to be right big men going by the snapchat screenshots.

Those lads in Laois have shown what they really are. Nothing new from this club unfortunately.

zetecescort · 23-10-2018 7:29pm

funny how everyone jumps up and down at violence in Ulster yet no mention when its the pure footballers of the Kingdom. 8 weeks for the team official who blindsided a player is a disgrace, should be more like 8 months

OldMrBrennan83 · 23-10-2018 7:40pm

zetecescort wrote: »

funny how everyone jumps up and down at violence in Ulster yet no mention when its the pure footballers of the Kingdom. 8 weeks for the team official who blindsided a player is a disgrace, should be more like 8 months

He should have got way longer but I've read and heard plenty about it.

ProudDUB · 23-10-2018 10:52pm

zetecescort wrote: »

funny how everyone jumps up and down at violence in Ulster yet no mention when its the pure footballers of the Kingdom. 8 weeks for the team official who blindsided a player is a disgrace, should be more like 8 months

Have you been living under a rock for past 48 hours?

The antics of the Dingle selector have been all over the press & social media?

irishguitarlad · 24-10-2018 8:21am

It's about time that it's being highlighted. I remember playing up to minor in Kerry and there was mass brawls every two games. Also, go see division 4 or 5 in Kerry, fellas flaking the heads off each other and only getting yellows.

Billy Mays · 24-10-2018 10:21am

Another video doing the rounds of a minor game in Cork

Pretty nasty stuff. 5 or 6 lads from one team throwing digs at one lad from the other

Can't link Twitter from work but you should be able to find it

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